Three Sisters Race meetings

eeup all you bikers Monday 4th May Road Race meeting about 17 races all day,then Sat/Sun 9th/10th May Classic Bike Racing,get Yourselves down there enjoy the day,

Another day we can't sit inthe garden because of the bloody motor bikes

Shut up, you miserable owd sod! They sound greeeeeeeeeat!

I'm with bentlegs on that one. We are about two miles away and can hear not only the engines but also the flaming announcements.
Ridiculous invasion of our peace and quiet, should not be allowed. I bet half the clowns playing on their motorbikes there are not even from Wigan (by that I mean the former Wigan Poor Law Union area, before anyone asks).

I'm with geoff and tonker, will hopefully be spectating at the Classic do.

JD says - 'I bet half the clowns playing on their motorbikes there are not even from Wigan '.

Right .... here goes ...... Those who ride their bikes there are paying a lot of money to do so. (Solo’s £75 per event + £10 for each additional event.)
They pay it to the organising club.
The organising club has to pay the circuit owners to hire the circuit for the day.
On a good day, there can be up to 6000 paying spectators at the circuit for a bike race meeting, at £5 entry charge.

Regulations include - ' - No engine can be started before 10 am or after 6 pm. No engine can be started during the midday interval. None observance of this rule will mean exclusion from the meeting. - '

Here's the punchline ...

Wigan Council own the circuit and Wigan Council take the gate money.

As you can see, the Three Sisters Circuit is a lucrative money earner for the council. So, what does it matter where the riders are 'from'?

are you absolutely sure,that WIGAN council own it



hi geoff.

Yes. I'm sure. They are the authority over every town in the Metropolitan Borough of Wigan and, I believe, they organised the funding and building of the Three Sisters on British Coal land.

* (2005) Surrender and Renewal of Lease at Three Sisters Racing Circuit, Ashton in Makerfield: The Cabinet considered a report on terms negotiated for the surrender of an existing lease held by Aintree Racing Drivers School and the grant of a new lease on amended terms for a period of up to 50 years in respect of the abovementioned facility. This would grant the Company greater security of tenure to enable them to centralise their operations at the Circuit.

The report set out details of the alternative options to be considered. The reason for selecting the one recommended was to attract inward financial investment into the Borough; give the potential for creating up to 3 additional jobs; and secure long-term rental income to the Council.

just checking

Time you started using leccy motors in your poluting -noisy bikes,They should build the track on land near Old Hall Drive then thi missis would have summut to say,

ALL YOU WINGERS AL SEND YOU SUM EARPLUGS DONT FERGET TEK UM OWT WEN YU GO TU BINGO!!!!

Hi Trixie hope you enjoyed yur hols wigin council own 3 sisters.al be theer marshaling stuff the whingers

we enjoyed the holidays,looking to book again.


have a good weekend.i hope weather is fine.

nice one tonker tha sends like a clever lad,si thi theer

yes it does belong to the council i worked for the council and we maintained the track when it was first built

That does it. There are two lots of people getting money from this: Wigan Council, who will probably use it to build another lovely shopping centre that nobody wants; and the Aintree (AINTREE!!!) Racing Drivers School, which no amount of boundary-flexing can bring into any area that might even loosely be called Wigan and district.

That information certainly makes it much easier to bear all the weekends and Bank Holidays ruined by the racket.

Can't Tonker and his overgrown schoolboy biker chums all just stay at home and make bbrrrmmm brrrmmm noises in the comfort of their own padded cells?

6,000? Give over.
Are you counting all the people in the houses within a five-mile radius who probably feel as though they are actually at the race meetings? And who 'pay' in terms of loss of peace and quiet and property value?

6000 is the largest gate ever taken at a motorcycle meeting at the Three Sisters Circuit. The club running the meeting was the Preston and District Motorcycle Club and it occurred in the early eighties, possibly '82 or '83.

This was the sole cause of the council 'taking over the door', so to speak.
Before then (since it's opening in 1979) the council had 'rented' the circuit out to the clubs on a 'per day' basis and the clubs kept the gate money.
This kept the cost for the rider to a minimum.
However, the council soon found out how many paying spectators passed through the gate in the course of the day.

Anyroadup, back then, 30 years ago, there were a lot more motorcycle races held at the Three Sisters than there are today. There were three clubs actively using the circuit, 'Preston and District', the 'Bolton' club and the 'Shaw' club, not to mention the council's own annual event the 'WMBC Festival of Speed'. The 6000 gate figure is unlikely to be matched nowadays.

In those days it was a lot more popular. The bikes were noisier (more two-strokes than today), and the noise regulations were less strict (there are noise-meter operators at every meeting and, if your bike is over the required noise level, you are excluded).

SO, why start to moan now? It's been happening for 30 years!

And, property value? There are properties valued at over £2 million overlooking Oulton Park in Cheshire, and they don't complain!

And ... if the Aintree Racing Drivers School didn't have use of it, it would be closed all week, bringing in NO revenue.

And just to rub salt in .... The Aintree Racing Drivers School had to move from Aintree because a golf-course was built within the track and the two couldn't be run together, for obvious reasons.

Maybe those who are doing the moaning are jealous of all the fun us bikers have.

Better on a race track than up and down your street every night, all night.

You think 3 sisters is loud, bottom of Bray Hill IOM, on August Bank holiday afternoon when the senior classic is just about to get underway, all engines revving. That is LOUD!

Thirty years ago I lived 30 miles away. So could only hear it when the wind was in the right direction.

But it's good to know we have also been providing facilities for the Preston, Bolton and Shaw nutters over the years, as well as the Aintree ones.

Golf course built at Aintree? That's ironic, eh? Because, in case you didn't know (but I bet you did), part of the Three Sisters site used to be a golf course.

Personally, I would have left the dirt rooks -- which we proper locals never ever called the Three Sisters -- and used them for ski-ing and tipping councillors off.

Tigerlily are you saying that LOUD is good then? When the pubs here started opening all day, the only reason for ever visiting the Isle of Man was wiped out at a stroke.
Anyway, I have plenty of fun in my car waiting for a motorbike to come up behind me and then squirting the screen wash. Oooh, the language some of them bikers can come out with...
I think my bikephobia stems from when I fell off my dad's moped as a kid (he was driving not me, I was five) and nearly ended up int cut.

Jackdog - 'Thirty years ago I lived 30 miles away'.

So, there we have it. You actually moved to Bryn knowing that the circuit was there. You moved closer to the noise.

You sound just like the Liverpoolers who moved into Ashton town centre, behind the Queens nightclub, next to Millingford Brook and a stones throw from the market place.
They then complained of noise from the club, too many ducks and rubbish in the brook. And, they tried to have Silcocks Fair stopped from using the market place, because it was noisey.

I think I'll get on to the council to stop the birds from twittering in my garden too early in a morning!

i think i'll complain about my neighbour goin work at 5.30

Wrong again, Tonker. Assumptions lead to wrong conclusions.
I didn't move to Bryn. I am a born and bred Ashtonian. I lived away for a while. Then moved back to the area, but not Bryn. To a place where I never dreamt the ridiculous noise levels from the track would carry.
Millingford Brook? Pshaw. You get your info from books and maps. Mine comes from experience. It's really called the Market Brook, by proper Ashtonians that is.
Never mind the 'Liverpoolers', you must be an outsider youself, so little real knowledge of the area do you display.
The council are daft enough they would probably take notice of your request to silence the birds. But I'm not sure which the majority of people (in our democracy) would prefer to silence: birds, or motorbikes (or, Trixie, folks going to work). How do you think that vote would go?

Enjoy your weekend. See if the racetrack announcer will give us a mention (his unwilling audience). Brrrmm Brrmmm Brmmm.

Jackdog, Tonker used to be a Yicker,

A Vicar? Me? Never! I swear too much!

And, Jackdog, the brook is officially called Millingford Brook and has been for hundreds of years. 'Market Brook', indeed!

can nobody take a joke...

where has all you sense of humour gone????

Tonker,
That proves it. You can't be a proper Ashtonian, and now we hear you are a Yicker. No wonder you know nowt about Ashton. Millingford Brook....!!! Only in books and maps, like I told you.
Next you'll be on about 'Four Footed Cross' and 'Long Lane Colliery' because you saw them on maps...

Trixie,
Am unny kiddin tha knows.

I cant make Mi mind up who wuz born in Ashton in yo lot,I was born & bred in Ashton lived in Lodge Lane fer 30 years,if yur no where that wuz & why it wuz cawd Lodge Lane?get yur memory box gooin where wuz the Pub cawd Dullpick? Ear plugs still on offer fer them that wants um lol

haha spent some time in there..

The Dullpick was where I had my first pub pint...its proper name was The Colliers, I think... Went out of there into St. Thoms Youth Club, but for some reason they wouldnt let me in...!

Geoff, if I'm not mistaken, the row of houses where the Colliers stood was in Warrington Road, not Lodge Lane. If you'd lived in Lodge Lane, you'd have been a Yicker, like Me!

By the way, I'll bet you don't half notice the difference in a ZX9 from 'one of these', or even 'one of these'!

Can I answer please? both the Crusader and the Goldie sounded like motorbikes should...paint a modern four cylinder white, and it wont only sound like a fridge, it will look like one...

I wonder if the people that complain about the noise from Three Sisters complain about 4 stroke lawn mowers at weekend as well?

i think the race course is the boundery?

The racecourse?

ashton near wigan.racecourse merseyside.


he what

Eeeup Tonker Yep ur right they where in Warrington Rd I lived next door to the Colliers Arms (Dull Pick)for 28years,the phrase Lodge Loners was what the people got nicknamed who lived in Warrington Rd,as for the Crusader & Goldie ,I owned a 5oo Goldie in Clubmans Trim ie 5 gallon alloy tank RRT2 Gearbox,inch+half GP carb,also owned Crusader bought brand new in 1959 from Popes Warrington,Ive sold My zx9r & the R1 now own a new Triumph Speed Triple 1050cc,love it si thi !!!

I occasionally visited the Dull Pick in my youth, as well as the Cally (easy one that) Blood Tub and Top House. Not to mention Bishops and Fishwicks.
So, where were they, true Ashtonians?

By the way, Bank Holiday Monday was very quiet, never heard a sound from the bikes. Probably because we went to Southport, in the rain.

If memory serves, the nxt pub down from Top House was "Lloydies" Although having said that, there are at least 3 pubs in the Wigan area that were known as "the Top"

The 'Top House' was opposite St.Oswald's.
Not long ago, it's cellar gave way because it hadn't been filled in properly. It was all 'hey lads, hey', and 'old mine workings' etc.. until they discovered what it really was.
Probably.

The Colliers (Dull pick, but I don't know why) was the first pub I went in too. It was 1974 and 'Stan and Hilda' had it.
Stan used to say, "Eteyteenyorlads". "Yes, Stan", we'd say. "Reet, 'ere y'are, gooin't back place then", said Stan.

Uncle Joe, either you have got me there, or you are talking about a different Top House, not in Ashton. Because I've never heard of Lloydies...

My Dad[who was born in Ashton and lived in Bryn St],used to talk about a pub called"Owd Mary's". Can anybody tell me where abouts that was?

'Owd Mary's' is the Red Lion on Gerard Street.

Here it is!

Jackdog: You threw me mentioning the Cally....to me thats outside of Ashton..so yes, I was thinking of another Top House.

Its many years since I've been in Ashton, if I remember correctly, there were two Lions, Red and Golden, one on the left, one on the right as you go up the hill. Which is which?

OK UJ, ta for the clarification. Although the Cally is defo in Ashton, well 'Town Green' anyroad...!

Golden Lion is the one on the same side of the street as the market. It has recently been done up, and re-named the Nag's Head (I think), for no good reason that anyone has come up with.

The Red Lion, known as Old Mary's, is on the opposite side of the street, not far from where Cromptons used to be, if you remember that. It's a pub that looks better, a lot better, if you stay outside.

tonks it was Stan and Alice, they did look like Stan and Hilda

It's a bummer when it's raining though!

jackdog squirt your screen wash at me and you will need a new rear view mirror!

I also will try to be there....I shall rev to my hearts content and think of jackdog.
VROOOOOOOOM!

glad somebody else mentioned the start of the season at three sisters,first bike race 03/04/10,but there are cart racing prior to that,as before in 2009 the ear pluge are available for the whingers yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Used to go watching Scooter racing, with and without sidecars, mainly to watch Ray Kemp.
Ah, the noise

Scooters Gwim your not Bi are you?

Scooters? I'll pretend I didn't hear that!

lol...I used to own one, Good fun going on rallies getting hypothermia.

Norrie Kerr

not convinced

HAHA....I shall go and say several Hail Mary's and walk barefoot to the top of our stairs wearing nothing but an elastic band as penance.

Didn't make it darn sarf to Wootton Basset then did you Gwim, good turn out that was, for a good cause too!

And remember RideSafeBackSafe!!!

BrrrrmBrrmmm

I lived close to 3 sisters for years and could hear bikes but it wasnt that bad,

Why can they not all race using LE Velocettes, & pass anouncements thro' Chinese whispers? (for them that can't afford programmes)

Everybody would be happy then..

"I lived close to 3 sisters for years and could hear the village bikes but it wasnt that bad,"

Did they never argue or fall out?

Village bikes you say?

No, Nicola. I didn't go to Wooton.

Its supposed to be a country park!

Let me remind you that the 'country park' was created recently, adjacent to the existing race circuit which was opened in 1979 and is just entering it's 31st year of successful operation.

Country Park Indeeeeeed!

Modern bikes don't sound like the old proper bikes, more like a swarm o' bees.
Just afer leaving school, I used to help my cousin out on the farm, we rode about on one o'these. A Real Beauty!!

Boneshakers on cobbled streets. MMMM!

from a man who used to ride about on a hair dryer

The Rudge Manxman & the Rudge Ulster were top racing bikes then

Its time that this so called race track and the noise it makes was closed down!

A friend in Wales has lots of old boneshakers, Art. He loves them, I think they hurt.

Nicko....

Gricer... Just for you
(A tip, turn your speakers up full to get the desired effect, then wave your fists in an angry fashion and pretend to remonstrate with the ne-er do wells having fun).

The Gwim Weaper

Having fun!

It's a dump and not even a proper racing track, which needs to be replaced by something which can be used by the majorty of people living in the Wigan area and not a minority who live far and wide!

It's a 'proper' Kart racing track. Built to 'International Competition Standards' for that particular sport.

People from Wigan, or the surrounding area, are free to attend any event held there, should they wish to do so.

A new meaning for FREE Tonks?

What then are the charges?.....Dynamite?

iam glad i dont live near it

theres some miserable sods round that neck of the woods

Take the baffles out, Geoff, then treat the people to a touch of noise.

eeup qwim weaper, geet non in anyway two nice microns !!yeaaaaa

One with two wheels and does not make a noise!

Why can't they make all bikes to this standard...silent..


LE velocette....They were good enough for the police..

eeup townofmemories,2008 Triumph Speed Triple 1050cc,n gricer it makes a noise[;)

Art, with a 190cc engine, producing about 10 horsepower, silence would be the code. The LE200 was less than 'standard' and was good for policemen, postmen and one or two lollipop ladies might have had one too!

If you must pick a Velo., pick This One!

Thruxton Moist

Always wanted a Goldie or a Manx Norton,,,,, Dribble

nice one tonker wish i still had mine think it was the "Thruxton"ps dont think today's cops would know how to ride a le velo +they might struggle to keep up with any modern day bike/car

Ha! They'd struggle to keep up with any modern-day 50cc scooter on one of them!

That's the model, I used to be picked up by an apprentice Pit Fitter from Abram, name o' Bill (can't recall his surname).
We were on a 3 months living in course at the "Mines Mechanisation Centre" West Bar, Sheffield summer 1956.
He could really ride it too, nice run over Woodhead, coming home every friday & back on monday..Them were the days

A lovely looking bike! Although they only produced around 40 horsepower, they were amongst the top tackle of the day.

Compare that with the bikes of today, that are producing well over 150 horsepower!

geoff zx9

So you are one of the lunetics who excheed the speed limits!

A friend of mine sold his Bonneville and got a Speed Triple. Myself, of the sports bikes, I prefer a Yamaha R1, but it's just mentalism!
I get carried away very easily, you see, so I'm safer on my Honda GL1000. It's a comfy cruiser!

My first one was a BSA 557cc, single pot, hand change, I bought from a fireman at Johnpit for £6.A big heavy beast
2nd one , a BSA 350cc single pot from Fosters(?) at Scholes bridge.
3rd one, a 225cc DMW from Humphry Moons at Eccleston.

From then on,Wife, Family... Cars etc

All these, before 1960

eeup tonker thats why I sold My R1,dam rocket ship on two wheels,also its a young mans bike,but what a machine

Star Wars Day!

May 4th be with you

Oy'll be there with my camera

Tonks,Art...I was told the velocette the police used was driven by a prop shaft...is this true.

Horizontally opposed, flat twin cylinder, water cooled, shaft driven, four stroke. Produced about the same power as one of the little 50cc buzz-box scooters you see nowadays.
In other words, useless! (unless you were a lollipopman)

Tonker's power mad, & yes the LE was propshaft driven & got you from A to B

This is tonks' latest bigbike..:



Remember this other propshaft driven bike Tonks?

I take that as a yes then Tonks thanks also Art....

Don't I look the picture on that bike, Art, with my pudding basin hat and porn-star tache? Knockout!

Anyway, an old friend of mine had one of those Sunbeams. His was a khaki colour. That was Bob Smith, killed at Scarborough in 1982.

I have a 1977 shaft-driven Honda GL1000 in the garage, I haven't ridden it in years. I wonder if it'll still go!

eeup Super Moto event next w/end at Three Sisters,Sat,Sun,Mon GET DOWN THERE AND ENJOY!!!!!!The ear plugs still on offer

With, or without, me hearin' aids?

My bike was too quiet, not now I've got some after market exhausts for it "Loud pipes save lives"

Does wearin' them tight leathers, mean bikers are sufferin' from havin' no "Horn"...To speak of?..

Open blazer, Slacks & no crash helmet, when I used to ride.
Protection was for sissies.....Or three for ½ a dollar at Mesnes St Chemists..

Black leather string vest, dog collar and a bus conductor's hat? You'd feel the cold, Art!

That post of truckerdaves, about noisy pipes, brought a memory back to me.Quite a long time ago, I was riding my BSA 350 single pot along Woodhouse Lane.It was dark, but in the headlight, I saw my Bro' & his wife, near the Woodhouses pub, so I stopped to chat.The bike was ticking over, chugging away. After a few minutes I heard a voice coming from the terrace of houses.." Hey, do you mind getting that bl**dy bike up the road, I've got kids in bed here"! We turned, saw who it was & both of us said " Hello Jack"...Jack returned with "Hellfire, I didn't know it was you two"....Jack, you see, being truckerdaves dad.
All three of us used to go to the same school, Jack & my bro' were in the same class.I was in the same class as his sister..

So, after all this time, I'd just like to say sorry, to truckerdave, for keeping him awake..

What goes around, comes around. So they say!

@art@ that must be why I like louder pipes than normal, haha it's your fault,
townofmemories, I ride an 03 xjr 1300 yamaha, the pipes aren't very loud but better than the too quiet originals, I'm rebuilding my old 1980 gs 850 also

Hi all biker friends next meeting at 3 sisters Bank Holiday Monday 3rd May, Preston Motorcycle Club 1st race meeting.poss about 16 races on the day,all being well.3sischeck this video out,I will be there marshaling

Great stuff geoff.

Its time that this third rate race track for outsiders was closed down.

sounds like thas spit thi dummy out ruddyduck

i think its great that we have this facility in Wigan
i for one will be there next week to watch all these noisy bikes.
on me noisy bike with me camera

Except it's not in Wigan. It's in 'Ashton in Makerfield'.

Tonks fiddling the old mantra.......again:

I've been to Stafford Classic Bike Show today.

Do I get an orange?

eeup tonker how was the show,ive not been for years?

Fancy this one tonks?

It's a flyer

reposted

Bag of Sh1te!

Still a third rate racetrack for outsiders which ruins the atmosphere of what is supposed to be a country park where people go to enyoy a bit of peace and quiet and the wildlife.

Nothing against racing itself, but it is in the wrong place!

p.s. Why should i move to Beiruit, when i am only saying what many others who vist Three Sisters are saying.

I'll put you right. Now, read this and try to understand it.

The Three Sisters is not a 'third rate' racetrack. It's a right on the mark, International Standard, kart track. That's what it was built for, not cars or motor bikes. But Karts.

Again, the track was built FIRST, and it was built, and was operating, for THIRTY YEARS before the 'country park' idea came into fruition. It was built on industrial, brown field land, not in the countryside.

Myself? Well, I've nothing against Country Parks themselves, but it seems they put this one in the wrong place.

Where should they have put it tonker
In Wigan town centre lol
Country parks are meant to be in the countryside and Wigan should be proud of this park in Wigan

Like I said. It's not countryside, it's brown field industrial land. A 'country park' is ideally suited to being 'in the country'!

The 'nature park' came second in the grand scheme of things which, incidentally, was originally created by Ashton in Makerfield UDC, NOT Wigan Council. That's because it ain't in Wigan, it's in Ashton!

Come on, its the race track thats in the wrong place, not the country park!

I'll give you a reason why it isn't in the wrong place.

Brown field / Industrial land is supposed to make money for Central Government. Every local authority is expected to create a certain amount of commercial development to provide this income.
A country park, on commercial land, would be wasting money.
That's why the racetrack is there. It provides income to central government AND the local authority (because they own it). It provides entertainment (to those who want it) and it provides employment, all from within the 'leasure sector'. It could well have been another industrial estate / lorry park / oil storage depot, etc..

Now, you give me a reason why it is!

Because it is in the middle of a country park where people go to enjoy a bit of peace and quiet and view the wildlife.

Not listen to the drone of go karts!

If you want to do that, then go to Wigan, Warrington or Burscough etc.

But the track was there first. This is like someone moving to the Country then complaining about the smell and the greenery.

Ruddy Duck. You are clearly as thick as pig5h1t.

I've told you, the Three Sisters track is NOT in the 'middle' of any 'country park'. It's built on 'INDUSTRIAL LAND'.
The country park was laid out next to the track, THIRTY YEARS AFTER the track was first built.

Anyway, it's not much of a 'country park'. Maybe it should have been laid out around Scotsman's Flash, then the Three Sisters track could have been extended.

That would be a better idea!

What about the industrial place it surrounds the Country Park.how can it be quiet with all them Wagons about?

"Maybe it should have been laid out around Scotsman's Flash"


Where?

Hallo Sailor

tonker


Any connection with Jemmy of Wigan Today.

He too, comes from Ashton and calls people names when he is not having all his own way.

I say no more as it is obvious that no one has to have a alternative opinion on this subject.

RD, you are free to have your own opinion, and it's nice to listen to varying opinions on any subject.

But, what you SHOULD be saying is what you mean. ie: "they should have built a country park there 'instead' of a race track".

That would be your 'opinion'. And my answer to that has been given above, but that's not my 'opinion', that's fact.

My 'opinion' is, the track isn't big enough and it should have been made a lot longer, using all the available land, so that it could be used for a more varied range of motor sports. The country park shouldn't be there at all.


However, by repeatedly saying the same wrong assumption (that the Three Sisters track was put in the middle of a country park) is downright stupid.

clever lad that tonker ees reet on both counts ,track there first, park in wrong place

They could have built houses instead of the Country Park.

or some bisexual changing rooms for Darren

or a facity who are still in their childhood!

Correction,

or a facility for people who are still in their childhood!

Sounds like somebodies still in there childhood!!!!

i don't believe you lot ggggggggggggggggggg

HAHAHA.

Maybe we should move the m6 aswell ruddy, it's too noisy and it spoils the countryside, oh and the london glasgow line,
townofmemories, I've got a set of blue flame cans, but I've just took them off again, I couldn't get the carburation right, I cant be bothered re-jetting so am back to originals and have decided I like them better. . . strange. . haha

Come to think about it...the planes get noisy too.

The suicide squad's play ground!

The Gwim Weaper

One of the suicide squad testing the ground?

No, RD. It's a plant. I call it a grumble weed.

yipeeeeee cant wait to get mi old Norton out and shake a few plates of the wall

classic bike racing this w/end at 3 sisters 8th 9th,ive got three tickets if anybody wants them,but you will have to collect from me today or al post them i am away on hols tomoz,so it must be today,

Just got back from an enjoyable day at the races.
Classic bikes and scooters.

I went to see the scooters mainly but it was all good.
Well worth a fiver.