Voting

Only one party to vote for if your bothered about this country Reform UK.

Albion

No,,,, it is a wasted vote, I am voting Looney



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I'm wi thee Tommy Tee

I don't vote, because there's nobody worth voting for.

and ALL liars to boot!

I'm voting !! Now over seas nationals can now Vote

peter israel

In more ways than one according to some reports!

I'm with Tonker on this. I've never voted because I don't believe my vote would make one iota of difference to the outcome and, I've said it before, and I'll quote it again:

"If voting made a difference, they wouldn't let us do it."
Mark Twain

hav,nt people died to get women the vote ? .

Never trust a politician they are the most two faced people on earth. Whups women did die to get the vote but it is up to every individual man or woman if they decide to use their vote.There was a local election last year and less than 6% of the electorate voted Some people have never voted all of their lives and may have no interest in politics. Do we go down the line of it being compulsory to vote or is that the end of democracy in this country

Voted for over fifty years until the time of the New Labour Party and the Blair Government made me realised that the Labour party had become no different than the Tories when it comes to looking after number one with ever increasing MP's salaries, Councillors allowances, perks etc.

Not to mention acting like children in the Commons and Council chambers

Whupsie, people died trying keep pits open , Emily Pancake won her battle and rightly so but, If you have no faith in the candidates available, A 'no vote' shows the parties that, they need to make change, Wasting a vote just to vote labour when the party is working against true labour policies is not good for true labour voters,

Can’t abide politicians given up listening to them 40 years ago a corrupt as it gets

Some pathetic attitudes on here

Andy Burnham was right what he said yesterday that politics have become all about Westminster... when first and foremost it should be about local politicians looking after and fixing local problem's.... And that how they should be judged .....

yes tom & we still back our miners as a gang of ex welsh miners have just driven to the ukraine with medical supplies & goods they need & repaying their support of us when we were on strike . it you dont want a NHS tom then vote tory or dont vote which is still a tory vote as they never miss voting . as far as them both being the same that,s as farcical as it gets as torys care about nothing only money & labour care about people . can you honestly say you,ve prospered under this tory regime ? . i,m sure those on a waiting list or in a hospital hallway waiting to be seen will disagree .

A no vote is NOT a Tory vote, Its a vote of discontentment , Its a vote for Labour to work harder to gain more support, How can you vote for a party that has ripped Wigan apart ?

have you thought about the lack of government funds alloted to wigan by this government ? . and i,m afraid a no vote IS A TORY VOTE .

If you dont vote, you can't complain about any government.

I won't be voting for the Tories or Labour but I will be voting.
I only wish that we could have Proportional representation like other countries.
Millions of voters vote for minor parties but don't get an MP elected.

Wigan Council revenue budget for the current financial year
£1,014,953,000. Number of residents 320,000.

Revenue per resident £3,171.

Proportional representation does not work that is what we have... Bibi made an agreement with a party that held 2% of the vote to stay in power
and now they hold the country by the balls
The Rise of Itamar Ben Gvir

Proportional representation only allows extreme party's to rise to the top
with the help from private money.....

you want to fix politics

1. stop private money
2. get rid of the whip
3. have a maximum term for all politicians.....
that would be a start

All politicians, that’s tory, labour, liberal, all the lot of them, all the ministers etc., are “us men” and they represent “us men” against “them men”.
Regardless of who “us men” are, “them men” are always in control.
Believe it!

Is ' them men' from space Tonker ?

Rumour has is it that Lee Anderson has joined the Reform Party LINK if that is true, then the rest of the Red Wall Tories could follow him

Whupsy says, “ i,m afraid a no vote IS A TORY VOTE . “.

However, if I was to vote, which I won’t, but if I did, it would probably be Conservative.
Would that alter which way the cat jumped?

Lee Evans]

Reform party !!! so you like there immigration policy!! so what about there policy on the NHS ?? and the party structure that gives almost total control to its leader, Tice. The structure does not providing the party’s more than 115,000 paying registered supporters with any voting power to influence policy. The party’s funders and shareholders have more say and who are oversea investors..... or is it just your dislike for johnny foreigner is sufficient for you to sink the UK??

Peter Israel

It is Nigel Farage who has the power in the Reform Party, he actually owns it and has adopted the position has Chairman of the Reform Party, as regards the NHS and other party policies, you could get some indication from this LINK as regards myself, I have no plans to vote for the Reform Party

According to reports, 10% of the electorate support the Reform Party and it is rising as a result of the discontentment with both the present Conservative Government and peoples concerns about a open doors policy on immigration by the Labour Party which they see might lead to a element of extremists gaining more postions of power and control of the country.

well explained owd codger.

Labour no longer represent the working class. . A bunch of North London Guardian readers who care more about wimmins rights in the Sudan than the interests of working people . Reform for me too .

MrsC

I couldn't agree more, they are 'champagne socialists' but try telling that to Whupsy.

All parties will come out with all sorts of promises but will do very little in reality and I cannot see Reform being any different.The country is in a complete mess with everything and it will take drastic changes to sort it out and nobody has the bottle to do it.

TTS i,s sooner have a champagne socialist than a lying self serving Tory ,they've absolutely ruined this country over the last 14 years name 1 thing this incompetent bunch of rats has improved

its time for change

As retep1949 has said, all parties make promises which they never keep, but perhaps the time has come for a change on the political scene when more and more people are not voting as a result of discontentment with the present two main political parties who they now see as being no different from each other and the third never making any major impact at election time.

But the way the country is going politically, there might not be even democratic elections in the future!

The thing is we have been here before, in the early 1980s when the Labour Party split and the SDP were formed and that went nowhere.

UKIP, swept along by the anti EU sentiment in the country and that also went nowhere, it being taken over by right wing extremists.

The Brexit Party, which became Reform, so how is that going to be any different ?

It always comes down to Labour or Conservative, and as regards UKIP and Brexit/Reform in Nigel Farage and Richard Tice, they are alright as they are, in being political commentators, and as such they keep 'all' politicians on their toes, so I think that they are wasting their time in pushing the Reform Party, but in this country it is their democratic right to do such things, so I wish them and everyone else the best of British Luck

It would be easy to stop immigrants coming here. And it’s been said before.
Give them nothing!
They’d soon stop coming. Let’s face it, why else would anybody want to come to Britain?
You don’t see them coming over here in multitudes, because they get nowt.
I sent TomPlum an explanatory video last night (sadly, it probably wouldn’t be accepted on here, although it doesn’t contain anything offensive) which would open your eyes to the rest of the World’s immigration policies.

We should’ve stayed in Europe and joined the Schengen area. Britain would’ve been better off!

tonker, I posted it above
Replied: 12th Mar 2024 at 22:30

Good one, Tom.

Perhaps, it is the open borders policy of the European Union with no border controls which includes no border patrols which is the root of the problem?

My Wife and I went on numerous coach holidays in Europe which involved crossing different borders and the only time we ever showed our passport was when we entered Switzerland (non EU state) and when we re-entered our country at the British Customs Passport Control at the seaports of Calais, Rotterdam and Zeebrugge.

Solsbury is a Tory strong hold and this chap is a long time resident there

hear what he has to say

Goooooo Salisbury!

Tom

And how long is that going to be on here for ?

maybe they shud stop us going over there as we seem a racist bunch who think with a little britian attitude & think we own the world . just like that racist video of salisbury confirms . it seems the smug travellers who go abroad think it,s ok for us but not for them can slag everyone off who come here but think we can go there . i hope they get a hard time at the borders of those countries & get knocked back at every opportunity .

there's a BIG difference Whups, We go over there and SPEND OUR MONEY to boost their economy, That what they love us,

Tommy Tee I dunno how long it will last, probably till sledge presses the yellow triange do da,, But, as the guy in the clip says, You can lock us up but you can't shut us up, well you can but, in a world of free speech you should not be able to, whether its right or wrong we should be able to voice our opinion ,

That is the difference, the British who go to other countries are the ones who we need to stay here,and they have to be accepted,and pay their own way, the ones who come here to work are ok, it's the ones who come and just take who are the problem,they are a drain on the NHS too.

The problem are the British citizens who knowingly swindle billions of pounds every year from the tax and benefit systems.

Unfortunately not many seem to care and instead prefer to stick their `patriotic` heads in the sand and blame everyone and everything else for the UKs financial woes.

" I dunno how long it will last, probably till sledge presses the yellow triange do da"

Why would he want to do that Tom?

I cant speak for the Right Honourable Mr Sledge myself but perhaps he would prefer the article to remain there and then all the nice people tuning in can judge for themselves and see just how xenophobic, racist and provocative you actually are

SD, So all the other countries in the World don't do the same, is it just Britain that has this problem,I don't think so.

So...... can we take from that statement you believe that fraud in general is acceptable?

What gives you that idea!, you believe that our problem is due to a lot of fraud going on, and nothing to do with the so called boat people, so why do lots of other countries not have a problem,could it be that the ones here get free housing, free NHS, free bus passes, and some spending money, and other countries give them nothing.

Well if we are going to digress and start answering questions with more questions..........Would you want to swap your lifestyle with that of a `boat person`

A simple Y/N will do

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (15151)

Tom

And how long is that going to be on here for ?

Replied: 14th Mar 2024 at 15:14

7 hours and counting.

I see Hemerobiids and his mate daft mate are on it now but the link still remains, That just shows you dun it ??

So...... can we take from that statement you believe that fraud in general is acceptable?
My answer is no,but I don't expect any ordinary British person to say yes,and my reply to your last question is also no, for the same reason. Both your questions were rather stupid by the way.

yes 1stroke & they are coming here to work & pay tax unlike the millionaires here who dont pay a penny .

star delta

A simple yes or no would also suffice to my recent question in which I asked if you are one, married to one because of the way you get uptight about anyone saying anything to do with immigration.

It is not racist for anyone to express concerns about the level of immigration and the problems it is creating in the country, especially if and when a different government will open the door even further!

Oc a new government can't open the door even further this incompetent Tory government has busted the door off its hinges

But the other lot might not put new hinges on or even put on a stronger door!

Whups

Many who have been born here and not millionaires are also not very keen on paying any taxes.

And how can the many entering the country illegally be paying taxes?

The other lot might not put a new door on, again that's pure conjecture on your part but we know for a fact that that this lot have made a complete mess of everything ,I,'ll ask this question again name 1 thing this incompetent lying self serving Tory government has improved over the last 14 years

Posted by: tomplum (12317) View tomplum's page
I see Hemerobiids and his mate daft mate are on it now but the link still remains, That just shows you dun it ??

Replied: 14th Mar 2024 at 19:51

Shows what?

it seems to go completely over your head todger that the VAST majority are LEGAL . when they eventually get processed they get a NI number & then they can work & pay taxes unlike the likes of baroness mony & her hubby & the likes of george osborne who i believe has,nt paid any tax from his family business since 2008 ? .

Whups

The ones to whom I was referring about being born here and not paying any taxes are not those of immigrant origin !

Whups

You can read the financial history of Osborne and Little below. In 2008 they made a profit of £1.8 million and paid tax of £550,000. In 2009 they made a loss of £7.3 million and paid tax of £225,000.
The loss of £7.3 million is available to be offset against future taxation.

O and L

Owd codger you said !!! It is not racist for anyone to express concerns about the level of immigration and the problems it is creating in the country, especially if and when a different government will open the door even further! TRUE its not but at least you can use facts of why the country has gone to dogs and not some right wing propaganda that you got from GB news.....
How do you expect to fund your pension with low productivity and low birth rate and a high life span???

"A simple yes or no would also suffice to my recent question in which I asked if you are one, married to one because of the way you get uptight about anyone saying anything to do with immigration"


Why do you assume one has to be, or be married to, an immigrant to object to and counter the misinformation and the often ridiculous, ignorant and one sided claims made on the subject of immigration in this forum Todger?



I am hoping for a sensible answer from you......(but not really expecting to get one)

New Pact on Migration and Asylum in the EU was signed 20 December 2023




only if the UK were still a member of the EU

The agreement covers five key proposals of the Pact:

Screening Regulation: Creating uniform rules concerning the identification of non-EU nationals upon their arrival, thus increasing the security within the Schengen area.
Eurodac Regulation: Developing a common database gathering more accurate and complete data to detect unauthorised movements.
Asylum Procedures Regulation: Making asylum, return and border procedures quicker and more effective.
Asylum Migration Management Regulation: Establishing a new solidarity mechanism amongst Member States to balance the current system, where a few countries are responsible for the vast majority of asylum applications, and clear rules on responsibility for asylum applications.
Crisis and Force majeure Regulation: Ensuring that the EU is prepared in the future to face situations of crisis, including instrumentalisation of migrants

Once these proposals are formally adopted by the European Parliament and Council, the pillars of the New Pact on Migration and Asylum will be in place.

The Commission presented the New Pact on Migration and Asylum in September 2020, with the aim of finding long-term and sustainable solutions to managing migration. The Pact will create a legal framework that balances solidarity and responsibility between Member States, in a comprehensive approach to managing migration effectively and fairly .

Peter Israel:

"only if the UK were still a member of the EU

No need to be in the EU Peter LINK

how's it working ?? TTS if the uk was still in the EU there would have been a return policy

Peter Israel

There is already a 'returns' policy, if the asylum seeker loses their asylum claim case, they should be returned to the country from whence they came, with the boat people that is France, but the asylum seekers appeal to the ECHR which invariably stops the return, hence the call for the UK to leave the jurisdiction of the ECHR.

As regards the co operation between the EU and the UK in security matters, that came into the spotlight in the last week when the UK issued a arrest warrants for a couple of weirdo's in Romania LINK security cooperation was agreed between the EU and the UK when we left the EU, the EU arrest warrants are valid in the UK, as are UK arrest warrants issued for people in the EU.