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Photo: Harry Cunliffe
Item #: 24176
Harry;Have you seen website :-
http://potteries.mmoc.org.uk/Identify.htm
It`s Morris Minor Owners Club, Potteries Branch
Identifying your car.
As you know, my first car was a Morris Minor 1000, brand new in 1958
It was Britain's first million seller, in production from 1948-1971 at Cowley. Harry's mother is leaning on the car, but this vehicle would have been fitted with semisphere indicators. BMC green colours (I think) had five shades..Almond, Romaine, Deep Bronze, British Racing and Connaught. Well done and thanks for showing.
THIS WAS MY FIRST CAR I PAST MY TEST IN 1965MORRIS MINOR I WENT EVERY WERE IN IT JIMMY TAYLOR USE TO TAKE ME OUT IN IT WHEN I WAS LERNING GREAT CAR WISH I AD IT BACK CHEAP ON PETROL RUN 4 EVER
Ernest. no I didn't know it was your first car, should we have known? Great car harry.
Garry; My comment was for Harry,
For a photo of my Morris Minor see Album, Assorted, Cars you wished you`d have kept Page 2.
Lovely photograph.
I had a Morris traveler. Lovely car..
BTW the indicators before flashers were "Semaphore", little yellow lit hinged arms in the door jamb pillar..;o)
Not yellow but AMBER, Art.
Colin I think the 1955 green was Empire green.
Garry, being a two door car the semaphore arms were prone to getting broken when getting out of the car if they were left switched on when pulling up at the road side to let someone out.
Amber is in the yellow spectrum, Garry
I remember those stickers in the back window, wherever you went on a trip you bought one with the name places on it.
Art, I have just googled an advert for a 1954 split screen Minor Traveller for sale £17995 the older split screen models are more expensive than the Minor 1000.
On traffic lights its RED AMBER GREEN...not red yellow green. Lets get it right!
My first car was a Morris Series E the predecessor to the Minor. Unfortunately I dont have any photographs.
No traffic lights on cars garry & Amber is a semi precious material, usually found in jewelry...Which is STILL in the yellow spectrum
Welcome back Jarvp
Morris eight sieries E 1938-1948. The one that was sussessor to the morris minor mm was the morris eight 1935-1948.
Art, your hard work mate. in transport road, rail and planes the termanology of warning lights are as follows, RED danger, AMBER WARNING and GREEN go or all is clear.
Sorry I've spelled the word SERIES wrong in the above comments, my apologies.
Colin when I bought this in 1959 my friend had a series E but it didn't last long after that, and I sold this to him in 1961 and bought a 1961 Ford Zephyr Lowline 2.5 litre, I can't find any photos though. Thanks for the info.
Garry, on railways it is green, YELLOW, and red. By the way, weren't the old car indicators called 'trafficators' or have I dreampt that?
Garry, semaphore signaling on a car has nowt to do with traffic light signalling. Plus the fact that Red means stop, amber means stop, green means go when it is safe to do so. Read up on the police advanced driving manual, called "The system of car control"...When you have done....Describe a "skid"(one of the hardest things to do..;o)
Quote> Trafficators are yellow semaphore signals which, when operated, protrude from the bodywork of a motor vehicle to indicate its intention to turn in the direction indicated by the pointing signal. Trafficators are often located at the door pillar.
you've dreampt it Loz.
Art, Amber light is a warning that I'm turning right or left, it's a warning for the next traffic light is Red or Green. Remember AMBER and not yellow. Look in the highway code...
Garry.You are turning into the Alan Partridge of Wigan World
Dingle :)
Someone called the traffic light colour amber, and we all followed suite. If you take the colour out of context, and ask people to name it, they will tell you it is yellow. I did so as part of a psychology experiment half a century ago. 75 out of 75 subjects said yellow! That said, the filter used to obtain the colour from white light, often is the colour of amber.
Well said AP, in my opinion Amber is more like the colour Orange than Yellow.
Thanks for that Vinnyd, Alan Gordon Partridge (STEVE COOGAN)
a broadcasting legend.
Garry, when you've time after school. Just nip along to the Police station & argue the point you did with me with the traffic officer.
Semaphore signal arms covers were made of Celluloid, which anybody who has experience of that product will tell you that colour changes & fades with age. Never two alike.
It also has NOTHING to do with traffic the "Red,Green & Amber colours used in signaling.
What Advanced Driving course were you on to contradict me?
I passed one & came out with flying colours, trained by a Hendon Police School Officer, training us Ambulance Men (no ladies then)..
I'm still right...Amber, final answer.
Garry, would you care to look here
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b388/artycul/trafficklights_zpsc8288695.jpg
Art NO.
Garry, if you do drive/ride a vehicle. What's it like not knowing the rules of the road & the signals to guide you safely through your journey.....Another test, perhaps?
A vehicle has several signalling devices..indicators, brake lights, hazard warning lights, side lights, headlights, reversing lights and horn. These signalling devices are used by the driver to communicate to other road users what they intend to do in advance to perform a manoeuvre.
Indicator lights: are Amber in colour and can be located at the front, the rear and sometimes at the side of the vehicle.
Hazard warning lights: When you turn on your hazard warning lights every indicator the vehicle has begins to flash, they are Amber in colour. You turn on your hazard warning lights only when you need to warn other road users of a hazard. This hazard could be your own vehicle or an obstacle on the road.
Brake lights: When you press your brake pedal two rear warning lights are activated, this signals to traffic from behind that you are slowing down or stopping. Brake lights are coloured Red.
Side lights and Head lights: The rear side lights are Red in colour, the front side lights and head lights are Clear lens.
Horn: Use of the horn should be limited to warn other road users, who have failed to see you, of you presence. It is illegally to use your horn whilst the vehicle is stationary of in a built-up area between 11.30pm and 7.00am except when another moving vehicle poses a danger to you.
Reversing lights: When a vehicle is put into reverse gear either one or two clear lights are activated at the rear.
Headlight, sidelights and reverse lights are clear, but sometimes they are known as White lights.
Colin....applause :o)
What has your post got to do with Semaphore signals & traffic light signals?
Which is what the discussion is all about!!
I think that most drivers know what bits of the exterior of their motor vehicles, light up..;o)
AH, the word AMBER..MMMM not yellow not orange but Amber,lovely.
That Art fellow is a sad man, he wants to argue with Colin Harlow now. Colin, your spot on mate, I've always know indicaters as Amber. Most drivers DONT know about lights at all, some break the law every day by fitting blue bulbs to their cars instead of clear bulbs at the front.
I said all along Gary's right, but I don't want to get in your silly little arguement.
ART is a DUNCE.......AMBER for me and not >yellow<
Sorry Art, but I think you've got it wrong, I was the one who mentioned Semaphore indicators in the first place, (look at second comment). Look this is simple, vehicle indicators are not known as yellow or orange, but amber warning, ie cars,vans, HGV, motorcycles caravans, trailers and traffic lights and so on. In the Morris Minor days, the Semaphore directional arm when rised would continually light up Amber, today directional indicators flash Amber.
ART- AMBER DOES NOT MEAN STOP AT ALL, AMBER MEANS (ON TRAFIC LIGHTS) WHEN LIT, THE NEXT LIGHT WILL GO TO RED OR GREEN.
TT, you have not seen what the law is on traffic signals, issued by the government.
Higher up in this thread I posted this (quote by Gov website):
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b388/artycul/trafficklights_zpsc8288695.jpg
Look at it before you reply, there's a good lad..;o)
Colin, where did you get the word "Semisphere" from. With such knowledge as yours, about the early days of signaling?
Colin, my little Morris Minor has proved to be quite interesting, leaving the amber/yellow/orange indicators for a while the only Morris green that looks right to me is Empire Green 1952-1956, other greens are either too dark or too light, Romain Green was 1948-1950,sage green was 1956-1959, Goodwood Green 1961 onwards. Unless you can shed a light.H
In 1970's & 1980's, rebuilding and restoring Morris 1000/Minors, had become something of a cottage industry. I think we moved on to DIY PC's (Some rubber items were, by then getting difficult to source, and wood for Travelers getting very pricey!)
Did anyone else on here participate in this?
Not to sure of the colour Harry, at a guess in the early Morris years, looking at the photo it could well be Almond Green or even Sage Green.
Going back to the Semaphore Signals. Early vehicles developed the trafficators from the Royal Bavarian railway signaling. But the word Semaphore is really an arm raised up and down, just like the railway signals or men on ships to guide aircraft. Semaphore is a signal a warning that you must obay. On Harry's car, Semaphore signal, trafficators or turn signal stalk was known to all, but they each had one thing in common, they lit up Amber when switched on.
Colin; The colours of Morris Minors are stated in the website I gave in the first comment on here.
Ernest/ Colin. I have previously checked all the MMOC sites and as I stated in my last comment the only colour that matches paint and green inside trim and seats plus white stripe along the side with the 1955 model is Empire Green. Thanks for your interest. H. P.S. Knowing what they are worth now perhaps I should have kept it, only joking they were a bit of a rust bucket.
I've not seen your website, Ernist!
Sorry Ernest, I've not seen your website!
Harry, most cars/vans were rust buckets in those days, you were lucky to get ten years service out of them. But many have been restored back to health, like the Morris Minors, MGs and VW Beatles etc etc. Thanks again Harry for sharing this Great British representation of our bygone days.
Sorry I spelled your name wrong Ernest, (slip of the fingers) I've now seen the website, I think you could be right....one things for sure, Harry's Minor taken in 1959, would been fitted with cross-ply tyres.
Art..on the 25 November, YOU said Yellow and NOT AMBER which is the correct terminology of mine, but we all know how traffic light work.
My comment on the 26th November should have read I sold it to my friend in '1963' and bought a 1961 Ford Zephyr.