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1 Viaducts
1 Viaducts
Photo: dk
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Item #: 15473
Tom Clancy mentioned Viaduct St in Ince on one of the recent map pics. This is the Hartley family - my Grandmother's family - on the front step of no. 1 Viaducts. I don't think that it was street or road but simply Viaducts and it had taken a while for me to locate it (thanks to Jack) and it is lower down and not shown on that particular map pic but was in the area behind the Conq and on the church side of the railway line reached via a subway under the line. The Godfrey Evans map of Ince in Makerfield 1929 shows the two rows enclosed in a triangle of railway lines along with the arm of the Leeds Liverpool canal - Ince Hall Branch - that ran along Fosters and terminated in a basin after curving around the end of the two rows. On this map are shown the Church Iron Works and Ince Forge as well as the mineral line running from Ince Moss all in close proximity to the arm of the canal although the Ince Hall Branch is marked as disused.
I have taken my best guess at approx 1930 for this pic and was tempted to put it with the Pit Brow Lasses. It had been a long day for at least one of them.

Comment by: Maureen Andrews [nee Mcgovern] on 7th August 2010 at 09:32

What a great photo.

Comment by: Rev David Long on 7th August 2010 at 10:42

I have a copy of a booklet 'Higher Ince Urban Trail', produced by TRR Ryding and KE Lowe for Ince CofE School. Unfortunately it isn't dated, but seems to be from about 1980. It consists of descriptions of three loops of walks around Higher Ince - one of which covers the area where Viaduct Row once was, and describes a disater which occurred there in 1883: "There was a sudden spate of subsidence. One of the houses had been built upon an arch which crossed an old pit shaft. Suddenly, out of the blue, a heavy noise was heard. The arch had given way and the front portion of a house fell down the shaft along with a young man who was killed. Other people had narrow escapes." Doubtless more details will be in newspapers of the time.
The booklet is illustrated, with many 'Then & Now' scenes - but, unfortunately, old duplicators didn't reproduce photos very well, so they're not very good images at all. That's a pity - but maybe the originals still exist somewhere....

Comment by: FredG on 7th August 2010 at 10:53

What a great photo. A real time capsule.

Comment by: Danni on 7th August 2010 at 11:50

My great Uncle was born at 23 Viaduct Lane, Ince Hall in 1892. Maybe the "Lane" was dropped in later years.

Comment by: Cyril on 7th August 2010 at 13:39

It is a wonderful photo, the girl holding the baby looks as though she has just finished her shift on the pit brow, with her brat all covered in coal dust.

Comment by: brian johnson on 7th August 2010 at 14:53

this photo has so much detail in it , look and you will see something different every time i love old pics of wigan and famlies, my famliy lived in leeds st off wallgate, number 13 next door but one to nellie davies chip shop and belchambers across the rd

Comment by: irene roberts nee griffiths on 7th August 2010 at 15:42

This is what Wigan World is all about. If you go down Pinewood Crescent, just before Ince Parish Church Bridge, then turn into Maple Avenue and walk to the end of it, you come to a railway bridge. Walk under it and Viaduct Row stood just on your right. The area known as The Viaducts was Raven Street, Farmer Street and part of Ince Green Lane near the Church Bridge. On a foggy Winter's night it was almost Dickensian! I remember a big family named Hartley from the area in the 50s and 60s before the streets were demolished.

Comment by: JOHN DAVIES on 7th August 2010 at 16:35

A really interesting photo.Looks to me like the poor lass is pregnant as well as having a babe in arms. What a life.

Comment by: Rev David Long on 7th August 2010 at 17:09

Strangely, although the two rows are plainly there on the 1929 map, there is no entry for them in the 1925-6 Ince Directory. They are not the only houses in Ince not to appear in that Directory - Kay's Houses at Little Westwood are also absent. What they have in common is that they were both isolated from adjacent roads - and accessed through tunnels under railways. Perhaps the compilers were frit of walking through 'Devil's Bridge'....

Comment by: Janet on 7th August 2010 at 19:05

The younger generations of today need a taste of how hard life was back then..just maybe they would learn something....

Amazing photo!! I love to photo's like this....

Comment by: winder on 7th August 2010 at 20:06

dk, I put the story of the man that fell into the shaft at Viaduct Row on one of the Communicate sections but I can't find it now. Can't remember the fellas name either.

Comment by: Bill Fleetwood on 7th August 2010 at 21:49

I was brought up not far from there,and I can remember the water from the canal in front of the houses in the Viaducts.
Has any body any idea what the structure is on the left hand side of the doorway in the distance.
Could it be Parks forge?

Comment by: josie pennington nee beckett on 7th August 2010 at 22:16

this is sutch a lovely photo ,but i bet it wernt lovely for them,just look at the older ladys cardigan full of holes cause she probably only had that one, and the young girl with the baby you can just imagin how hard it was for them but they dont look sad as i suppose that was their lot, notice the baby is spotless, lovely pic.

Comment by: josie pennington nee beckett on 7th August 2010 at 22:20

forgot to say, take a look at the wallpaper dead modern today.

Comment by: dk on 8th August 2010 at 11:18

Long time no see Bill. I think this is looking due north and taking no 1 as the left hand end of the row the map shows a pen behind the fence. I think that the upper left corner background, after the washing line, is the embankment of the railway line with the chimney stacks of the houses of Farmer Street a bit more distant still. But there are doubts. The telegraph pole - if that is what it is - seems out of proportion although its stays and buckles can be seen.
Keep well.

Comment by: Dave C on 9th August 2010 at 13:42

The pole probably carried a basic electricity supply, but knowing what these terraced houses were like in Ince, even up until the 1950's, the Family shown here had only gas mantles. I bet they could leave their front (and back) door open all day thoug !!!!

Comment by: jim12 on 16th September 2012 at 11:38

we used to playin the viaducts fishin for minnows and tadpoles i remember skating on the iceone christmas evewhen the ice broke i went completely under i shot out like arocket very scareythere was something magical about that little area as a child especially when the mist settld over the water and bulrushesit was only 50 yards from my home in farmer st

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