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Photo: RON HUNT   Item #: 29733  
 
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  Postcard published by a Pemberton Photographer Can anyone identify where it is?  

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Comments by DTease, 17th September 2017  
Could this be New Springs with St John's School on the left?

Comments by Veronica, 17th September 2017  
I wonder what the two men are doing....I 'suspect' they are selling something-they can't be waiting for a bus surely- but you never know.

Comments by RON HUNT, 17th September 2017  
At first glance I thought it was the top of Enfield street but the streets on the right don't match up and Leopold Street isn't there Don't know when that was made.

Comments by Tony, 17th September 2017  
I agree with DTease. The walls and railings on the left of the photo are still there, and have hardly changed.

Comments by Poet, 17th September 2017  
The two blokes on the left appear to be the objective of the photograph and seem to be source of amusement for the people opposite. The seated man has what looks like some pipe and a Jerry can. An intriguing scenario.

Comments by john brown, 17th September 2017  
Beats me ?

Comments by . Ozymandias ., 17th September 2017  
I can't say that I'd noticed the second bloke to be honest, the one standing, as he tends to blend in with the brickwork. I suspect a visit to Suspectsavers may be in order.

Comments by Poet, 17th September 2017  
Why would this rather unassuming image be published as a postcard?

Comments by RON HUNT, 17th September 2017  
Just looked on an old map of the new Springs area and if it is St Johns school then the first street on the right would be VIGO St. and the next one up Cale Lane. The shop on the right on the corner of Vigo St.? is Moore Butchers?

Comments by Philip Gormley., 17th September 2017  
DTease: You're certainly off the mark with this one ... blimey. There's also some film of the school, in various stages of decay, on YouTube, which you might like to see. I shared Veronica's curiosity regarding the seller and his business, but after considering the gentleman's fine array of onboard tools, I now give 'scissor sharpener' for the perusal of Veronica and yourself ('Perusii would sound nice here ... I don't know where the Dickens, that came from').

Comments by Pieface, 17th September 2017  
It is Wigan Road, New Springs, I also think it is unfair to the buyer of this card and many other cards to be published on WW to score Brownie Points

Comments by GW., 17th September 2017  
Ormskirk Road looking East?

Comments by Stuart Naylor, 17th September 2017  
I think this is the corner of Catherine Terrace and Leader Street in Scholes, at the side of St Catherine's Church.

Comments by . Ozymandias ., 17th September 2017  
Jumping Jehoshaphat GW, where on earth have you been till now?, locked in the toilet? You'll have to buck up I'm afraid or I ' suspect ' your future with the agency may very well be in jeopardy.

Comments by Stuart Naylor, 17th September 2017  
I think the man sat at the side of the wall, could be playing a Hurdy Gurdy.

Comments by Veronica, 17th September 2017  
The shop sign does bear the letters OORE making Ron correct. Good idea about a scissor sharpener as he would have an excuse to be sat there on the street watching for passing trade. But you would think he would have a placard at one side though.

Comments by Philip Gormley., 17th September 2017  
Stuart: Yes, the gentleman might well have been a virtuoso, or in the event of the shadowy figure having been part of the act, the lead virtuosi. Whichever, and despite the glare of the sun, the seated gentleman seems set for the duration - not to put too fine a point on it.

Comments by jack, 17th September 2017  
New Springs first shop on the right was the Barbers shop run by ginger akin Mr Davies

Comments by jack, 17th September 2017  
Cale Lane first right

Comments by Philip Gormley., 17th September 2017  
You did very well to dig out Moore, Veronica, so perhaps you could fettle the soap 'ad' on the gable end, as well; identifying the soap manufacturer's name would do nicely. Regards.

Comments by DTease, 18th September 2017  
I deduce that the seated man is intent on a day fishing on the canal.He has made his way up from Whelley and is now sitting on his fishing basket resting. In his left hand, he is holding his fishing net. In his right hand, he is holding an Army Surplus Ammunition Pouch containing two jam butties and a bottle of Dandelion and Burdock. He his now contemplating whether he should carry on toiling his way up to the canal or cross the road to the Free Trade which is just behind where the Photographer is stood. I suspect that the lure of a cool, refreshing pint in the Free Trade will be too much for him to endure.
The next man is carrying a bunch of flowers which he has just picked from his Allotment round the back of the School. he intends to present these flowers to his good lady wife who is across the road with their two children. His good lady wife had hoped for something more substantial for the children's tea but is resigned to the situation.
The man and the boy behind her have just left the Butcher's Shop after purchasing two of Mr. Moore's finest pork chops. they are now on their way home and have no bearing on the case.
Shortly after this photograph was taken the Photographer was run over and severely injured by Jimmy Marshall's Milk Cart. The general consensus was that "It served him bloody right for standing in the middle of the road taking pictures"

Comments by JJP, 18th September 2017  
If as thought it is New Springs then the street on the right is Vigo Street, my dad was born here 1911. The next street would be Cale Lane, it certainly fits but -- I would have expected to see tram tracks heading towards Aspull, would they have been there when this photo was taken ?. The photographer would have been stood almost in front of the 'Free Trade Hotel' a Maggee Marshall pub close to the Boundary.

Comments by Ken, 18th September 2017  
Definitly New Springs and the man is playing a Hurdy Gurdy

Comments by fred, 18th September 2017  
New Spring shops on the right now site of chemist

Comments by . Ozymandias ., 18th September 2017  
Excellent piece of deduction DTease, what a star!. If you're passing the office, you'll find an envelope on my desk with your name on it containing a few beer vouchers. Be sure to pick up the right one though, as the other envelope contains a P45.

Comments by Tony, 18th September 2017  
JJP - The tram service to Aspull started in April 1906, before that date they only ran to the Whelley/New Springs boundary.
Fom what can be seen of the clothing of the people in the photo (especially the boy and girl), it could well have been taken before the tramlines were laid.

Comments by Phil, 18th September 2017  
The man/tinker seated is sharpening knives for the boy next to him who was from the butchers across the road.

Comments by Veronica, 18th September 2017  
I just wonder what the man taking flowers home for the wife has been up to! Especially if he's just 'bunched' them up off somebody else's allotment! I bet he's been in the pub and forgot it's her birthday! She'll have left his pork chop dinner to dry up sp she can throw it at him when he gets in!

Comments by Veronica, 18th September 2017  
Philip I can only make out 'soap' on the bottom -over that it would just be a guess- 'soda'? Or 'Suds'! It's not as clear as the lettering over the shop.

Comments by Dave, 18th September 2017  
Here's the stepped wall.

https://www.google.com/maps/@53.5579573,-2.606256,3a,75y,74.65h,79.2t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sAE1bgpckGMIwPlKgMfXqUQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

Comments by Mick, 18th September 2017  
Veronica - ref. the Soap advert on the gable end - it's for 'Mother Shipton's Soap', which was a proprietary brand available at the turn of the 19th and 20th centuries. A few adverts for it can be found on Google Images.

Comments by Veronica, 18th September 2017  
Thank you Mick I would never have guessed that one !!! I have heard of a 'Mother Shipton' from Yorkshire - found that in the 'cobwebs' of my mind!

Comments by Philip Gormley., 18th September 2017  
Mick: You're a knockout! It had been my intention to tell Veronica about the difficulty I had, when trying to identify the manufacturer's name and how Sunlight Sephton's Stephen's and the blurred image of 'Wigan', at top right, had caused me to reach for the tab's - pack it in if you like. Well done!.
Veronica: Thanks for trying to identify the soap 'ad' for me. I hope you enjoyed Saturday's art exhibition. I've also had a look at Tom Newton's paintings, as you suggested, on Images, and you are right, they are very good. Take care.

Comments by Mick, 18th September 2017  
Thank you Philip. A spot of jiggery-pokery with a photo editing suite made the image legible.

Comments by Philip Gormley., 18th September 2017  
And thanks for your reply Mick. I was fairly confident that there was a break immediately before the final letter, which as far as my limited knowledge of punctuation goes, could only have paved way for the apostrophe - followed by a small 's' -; the large 's' at the begining being the only 'banker'. I wish you the best of health as you 'chisel' your way through this here punctuation. Paracetamol in the cabinet, I guess.

 
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