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Forgot to mention that the pub was known as the Pied Bull until 1814

Ron could you please try to find a photo of the Raven pub in Hardybutts 1800s onwards.My ancestors had that pub for years.
Thank you.

What a sensational photo Ron - they don't come much better than this in my opinion, encapsulating as it does the crowds of people and the prevailing environment - brilliant.

That can't be the crofters pub for one its to tall and another you would have to be in library street to see it

Definately the Crofters. This is looking down what is now Market Street from Market Place. The buidings to the right are where Thomas Cook is now

Apparently it was still being called the Old Pied Bull in 1826 according to Thos Whitehouse whose painting of it appears in his book on The History of Wigan 1829 (he also claims to have erected the buildings on the left of it).

I have viewed various pictures of pub trying to locate that building at the back with the distinctive corner stones to the construction. One was of the Dog and Partridge from Bretherton row but discounted that.
I agree with Bob and sure it must be The Crofters building before the lower level was tiled, the window frames look identical. Could it be that the present Hallgate turned right at the top before Market Street was built and extended into the Market Place? The inclination of the road would alos match that.

Colin, Hallgate originally started at the Market Place then turned left at the Crofters into what now is Hallgate.

Thanks Ron, that's just what Bob and I deducted.
Fabulous picture, what would it be like to go back intime and walk those streets with a camera.

This is the photo relating to the recent painting. The Coach and Horses on the right, and The Crofters straight ahead on the corner. The building on the left has a hanging sign similar to the cross and orb on the painting.

Is the Crofters Pub the same one that still stands in Market St./Hallgate also is it the same building that is on the drawing in 1840? If it is that is amazing.