What is the oldest house/hall/building in Wigan

With recent news of Haigh Hall being refurbished I wondered if it is the oldest building in Wigan

any ideas

The present hall was built between 1827 and 1840 by James Lindsay, 7th Earl of Balcarres, on the site of the ancient manor house built 1193

Some of the churches have been around well before this

In WIGAN? It must be some of the town centre shops, around the Galleries.

some of the pies qualify as well.

morning Joe dont jump on Tonkers anti wigan bus

morning Colin ,

must be some really old properties somewhere in wigan as wigan was the romans capitol city in the north west

those packet houses at new springs must date well back ,the pub just over the canal bridge at new springs (name eludes me)dates back centuries.

packet house was done up a few year ago very nice

that pub might be the colliers arms.

Aye it is the Colliers Arms, just had a look on street view.
The datestone says 1700.
A few pints been pulled in there over the years.

I went in there a couple of times when I lived in aspull burtonwood brewery beer I think.

Hey thee! Stop saying I'm 'anti Wigan'!

I'm 'Pro Wigan'. What I'm 'anti' about is classifying other places as being Wigan when they clearly aren't!

For instance, Haigh Hall has never been in Wigan, and it isn't very old anyway.
If you want to know the oldest building in Wigan 'COUNCIL', you'll have to include the rest of a large area.

If it's the 'borough' you want, how about St. Wilfrid's church, in Standish?

was the colliers arms been shut for years

another sad end to a pub, ITV are showing a programme tonight,

1 pub in lower ince ,4 pubs in higher ince now

it would be a struggle to have a pub crawl nowadays.

I've read that the Boar's Head pub in Standish dates from the 13th Century and is the second oldest pub in England.

Some of the customers have been in since it opened a very clicks pub

So has the furniture from when I walked in and smelly it was also..

apparently, it's doing really well at the moment.

and well done to them great news .

The Parish Church (the present one built in 1845) and Rectory/Wigan Hall (1875) must qualify as two of the oldest buildings and are most definitely in Wigan!!

Do they buggery! How can they be if they're less than 200 years old? What 'used to be there' doesn't count!

The Whitesmith’s Arms, built in the early 1600's, is one of the oldest buildings in Wigan.
Peel Hall, just outside of Wigan (in Ince) was built in 1345.

tonker once again your a mine of information,if I wore a cap I would take it off to you.

Yes. You would. (isn't Google a wonderful thing?)

absolutely marvellous .

Nah! The original Parish Church IN Wigan dates back to the late 12th century - 1199 to be exact - so that must be the oldest building IN Wigan!

the foundations might be.

The oldest building is what was the police garage and was originally a school. Don't know what its used for now? It is near the parish church entrance to Crawford street

"Paddy had the same brush all his life, so he did. He gave it a new head every month and a new shaft every two years"!

Once a building is demolished, then rebuilt, it's not the same building.
The oldest building in Wigan, officially, is the Whitesmiths Arms.

ron Is it the one on the same side as the telephone exchange or on the side of the Parish Church.

Marie, it is the old Bluecoat School, used by the Police as a lock up for cars in the 1960s. Walking through the Churchyard to come into King of Prussia Yard and Hallgate it would be on your right after passing the Church.

Thank you flaggy delf

The Bluecoat School was the first school in Wigan and built in 1773.
On the other hand, the Whitesmiths Arms, which is officially the oldest building in Wigan, was built in the early 1600s.

What date was given to that exposed brickwork in the John Bull?

Marie,if you can get to go into the old Bluecoat school, usually open on a Saturday, see the wonderful wooden framework on the back wall which I believe is about 16th century. It came out of Standishes shop on Standishgate when it was demolished.

flaggy delf I will try on Saturday. I always thought the Bluecoat School was at the bottom of where the Bus station is now near Frog Lane.

You know what thought did?

The school moved location.

neil, I have been today but I couldn't locate it. I will try again next week.

Marie I think I may have told you wrong. I think there is an archway in the churchyard wall on the bus station side of the Church as if you were exiting into Crawford St. Go through and it is immediately to your right

Neil, I was walking through the Parish Church grounds today and these two men were coming out of this building so I asked them and they showed me. The building doesn't look that old but they said it was because of the new door and it had been sandblasted.

Marie, do go in if you ever see it open. The wooden frame on the back wall is worth a look.

Neil I will watch out for it being open.

How many know that Sicklefield House down Brock Mill lane Off Wigan Lane was built in 1818. I lived there for a long time...There was a coach house in the garden with a drain pipe. At the top was a funnel catching the rain. On that was written MP 1818 ..for Molly Penson,who owned property all around Wigan and businesses as well,
The coach house was demolished in the early 70's and that lead funnel stolen !!

Do you classify Orrell as being in Wigan? (I don't, by the way!)
If you do, I had a building in Orrell which was built in 1718. It had a stone which said so. (Billinge Biker knows the one!)

Some buildings on Marketplace, in Wigan, were found to have parts of them bearing the original 'wattle and daub' dating back to the 14th century.
They belonged to Tom Standish, the last remaining member of the 'Standish' family.

https://www.thwaites.co.uk/pubs-and-pub-finder/pubs/wigan/john-bull-chop-house/

John Bull chop house is 500 years old according to
this article

The oldest building in Wigan is Millgate Multi-storey Car Park? Yes?

What about the old house on Millgate that housed Pennington's furniture shop?

Has anybody mentioned the Whitesmith’s Arms, built in the 1600’s ?

Has anybody mentioned the Whitesmith’s Arms, built I’m the 1600’s ?

Yes, Tonker, you did, on 20 December 2014, but on 4 May you said you were built in the 1600s, Yoda fashion.

Handsomeminer said.


must be some really old properties somewhere in wigan as wigan was the romans capitol city in the north west


Was it heck as like!

Wigan was a staging point for the Romans. Maybe they had the equivalent of our modern day council and put buildings up which never got used then demolished them so no trace of our history

Whitesmith’s Arms?

Good one Tonks.
What about the pram shop at the bottom of Wigan Lane/Standishgate. The Council decided to demolish it to make way for the new road several years ago. I remember the render, etc being removed which exposed a very early timber framed building. An older mate of mine who worked in Planning actually catalogued every timber piece at the time... but was later horrified to return and witness the whole structure bulldozed and removed - probably to landfill. It must have been quite ancient... just another piece of Wigan history removed. Rather sad.