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Milquetoast

Started by: dostaf (inactive)

No, I hadn't heard of it either.

Just been having a chuckle at Fred's 'big girl's blouse' comment on here.

I knew it was one of Hylda Baker's lines in 'Nearest and Dearest', but had a google and found this.


It has been suggested that Hylda Baker invented the phrase in her stage act. If she didn’t, where big girl’s blouse came from is likely to remain a mystery. However, as a possible clue, Brian Edmondson told me that his Liverpudlian father, who died in 1979, always said “he’s flapping like a big girl’s blouse”. This conjures up the twin ideas of a large garment flapping on a washing line and of a man flapping in the sense of panicking. It’s plausible as the image from which the current version could have evolved.

Other than that, your guess is as good as mine.



Milksop, I've heard, or rather seen written. But milquetoast?

Started: 26th Jan 2013 at 14:37

Posted by: walshy76 (inactive)

Me neither, and I doubt a lot of people would've heard of it

Replied: 26th Jan 2013 at 14:47

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)

Gawd bless yer.

Replied: 26th Jan 2013 at 14:48

Posted by: jo anne (34722) 

I've not heard of milquetoast, nor milksop.

Wikipedia - Milquetoast 'is an American English dysphemism for a weak, timid, or bland person.

The word milquetoast derives from the name of Caspar Milquetoast, a diffident character in H. T. Webster's comic strip The Timid Soul.[1]

The comic strip first ran in 1924 in the New York World; it was later published in the Herald Tribune.[2]'

www.freedictionary.com - Milquetoast

Replied: 26th Jan 2013 at 15:18

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)

Well, you've certainly let the side down there, Jo Anne.


For those in the few parts of the English-speaking world that have never heard of this astonishing idiom, let me explain that it is heard now quite widely in Britain and in most Commonwealth countries, though it originated in the North of England

From my 14:37 link.

Replied: 26th Jan 2013 at 15:25

Posted by: jo anne (34722) 

I've heard of big girl's blouse.

Replied: 26th Jan 2013 at 15:36

Posted by: veg grower (inactive)

Is it similar to French toast - dipping it in milk instead of egg?

'Milque' sounds french to me - and we all know French toast is not on.

Replied: 26th Jan 2013 at 15:39

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)

I've been called one.

I love those American English-experts.

'Frasier' (TV series) stinks of them.

Even the company name seems pretentious.

Grub Street Productions.

Replied: 26th Jan 2013 at 15:40

Posted by: mache (inactive)

Expect a reply then

Replied: 26th Jan 2013 at 15:41

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)

Invalid jackbit, VG. Toast in a bowl of milk.

Milksop - Untoasted bread in milk. Pobs

Replied: 26th Jan 2013 at 15:42

Posted by: veg grower (inactive)

Ewwwwww. Notreet. IMO.

Replied: 26th Jan 2013 at 15:45

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)

Guaranteed to cure all ills.

Replied: 26th Jan 2013 at 15:54

Posted by: mache (inactive)

A bittygrittymummycuddle

Replied: 26th Jan 2013 at 15:55

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)



Now that's definitely NOTREET!

Replied: 26th Jan 2013 at 15:56

Posted by: Weatherwax (317)

dostaf is the nearest to correct. Ihave a copy of enquire within dated around 1820, In the section on food for children, it gives milksops ( bread and milk ). In the section on nursing the sick it gives milktoast,( toast and milk ) By the way, they also made their own medicines at that time, you realy don't want to see the recipe for a mild laxative

Replied: 26th Jan 2013 at 17:23

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)

I've supped some mild whch had the same effect.

I like the term posset pot.

It sounds a bit rude, but isn't.

Replied: 26th Jan 2013 at 17:33

Posted by: jo anne (34722) 

Sorry, I didn't want Milquetoast the Cartoon Cockroach to be left out.



(From Bloom County, a 1980s American cartoon-comic strip that dealt with sociopolitical issues as understood by fanciful characters and through humorous analogies. Bloom County earned Berkeley Breathed the Pulitzer Prize for editorial cartooning in 1987.)

Replied: 26th Jan 2013 at 17:39

Posted by: veg grower (inactive)

Weatherwax's mention of the 'mild laxative' reminded me of an episode of Victorian Pharmacy, where when someone had a stomach upset they swallowed a 'certain' stone.

They watched for it appearing after they had been to the toilet and fished it out, dried it off and ready to be used again when the next member of the family had a stomach upset.

Forget what they call it and google won't help.

Replied: 26th Jan 2013 at 17:45

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)



I'm sure some of them buggers post on here under different names.

Replied: 26th Jan 2013 at 17:47

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)

Similar thing featuerd on QI, VG think it was a pellet made form antimony which ancient cultures used.


Opus' television

Opus' television usually appeared in segments used to satirize consumerism. It would often get on its (until then, unseen) hind legs during infomercials and either browbeat or hypnotize Opus into buying copious quantities of whatever product it was advertising (typically products sold by Ronco, and which always seemed to involve "turnip twaddling").




Is turnip twaddling legal?

Replied: 26th Jan 2013 at 17:51

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)

Replied: 26th Jan 2013 at 17:52

Posted by: veg grower (inactive)

Thats the one - I remember the compound Antimony.

It was the episode featuring spitoons and bedpans.

Sorry, never heard of turnip twaddling.

Replied: 26th Jan 2013 at 18:04

Posted by: Weatherwax (317)

Thats the one dostaf, It featured in both programs

Replied: 26th Jan 2013 at 18:07

Posted by: jo anne (34722) 

'Turnip twaddler - Generic name for any useless consumer gadget' U.D.

Twaddling His Turnips - Berkeley Breathed

Replied: 26th Jan 2013 at 18:10

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)



Aren't these drivelous (?) threads informative.

Time one or two were promoted to General.

Replied: 26th Jan 2013 at 18:13

Posted by: jo anne (34722) 

'promoted to General from Handbags'?!

I'm content here in Handbags.

Now for something more contentious - what's that?

Replied: 26th Jan 2013 at 19:21

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)

Your search history must be as wierd as Mache's to find one of those with one of them. [:D

I cheated.

At first I thought it was something to do with shamrock.

Replied: 26th Jan 2013 at 19:25

Posted by: jo anne (34722) 

What is it then?

Replied: 26th Jan 2013 at 19:27

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)

It's a duck (knitted) with a turnip.

I don't think they'll catch on.

Edit.

Upon checking, the duck isn't knitted.

Replied: 26th Jan 2013 at 19:45
Last edited by dostaf: 26th Jan 2013 at 19:51:09

Posted by: jo anne (34722) 

It's a turnip waddler! Someone will buy it. What's this?*

(*The donkey isn't key to the answer - 'E-ought not to be there really.)

Replied: 26th Jan 2013 at 19:52
Last edited by jo anne: 26th Jan 2013 at 19:53:40

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)

Wold it make a rude noise if sat upon?

Replied: 26th Jan 2013 at 19:59

Posted by: jo anne (34722) 

It can wrap. Would that sound like a rued noise to some?

Replied: 26th Jan 2013 at 20:01

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)

Is it a practical doings?

Replied: 26th Jan 2013 at 20:07

Posted by: jo anne (34722) 

Getting warmer.

Replied: 26th Jan 2013 at 20:08

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)

Hot water bottle cover?

Hole practically rules that out.

Replied: 26th Jan 2013 at 20:10

Posted by: jo anne (34722) 

Think of 18:10 and 19:52.

Replied: 26th Jan 2013 at 20:14

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)

A computer gadget?

Replied: 26th Jan 2013 at 20:17

Posted by: jo anne (34722) 

A turnip swaddler. Sorry to milque it.

Replied: 26th Jan 2013 at 20:20

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)

Replied: 26th Jan 2013 at 20:33

Posted by: jo anne (34722) 

Baldrick and turnips have cropped up before on WW - in fact, your avatar was once of turnips, I recall. And the Turnip Prize was mentioned too.

Replied: 26th Jan 2013 at 20:47
Last edited by jo anne: 26th Jan 2013 at 20:47:21

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)



I won't mention Baldrick's thingy.

Replied: 26th Jan 2013 at 20:54

Posted by: jo anne (34722) 

... which thingy?

Replied: 26th Jan 2013 at 21:00

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)

I one episode, Baldrick and Percy were giggling like schoolgirls, because at they had been preparing a meal for Edmund's visiting pious relatives, the Whiteadders, they'd found a turnip shaped like a 'thingy'.

Baldrick explained that it was a strange coincidence, as he had a thingy shaped like a turnip.

Replied: 26th Jan 2013 at 21:04

Posted by: jo anne (34722) 

You typed you wouldn't mention it!

Replied: 26th Jan 2013 at 21:07

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)

I politely answered your question.

At least I didn't post pice of Lady Whiteadder and the said turnip.

Writers admitted that it was a pile of nonsense. Prop people made something more akin to a swede than a turnip.

Replied: 26th Jan 2013 at 21:13

Posted by: jo anne (34722) 

'more akin to a swede than a turnip - theirs would be a thread on Handbags.

Replied: 26th Jan 2013 at 21:18
Last edited by jo anne: 26th Jan 2013 at 21:19:18

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)

You'll like this, Jo Anne (Oooo errr missus):


A discussion

Replied: 26th Jan 2013 at 21:19

Posted by: jo anne (34722) 

It looks QI. ^^^

Replied: 26th Jan 2013 at 21:20

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)

Replied: 26th Jan 2013 at 21:23

Posted by: jo anne (34722) 

What of the handbag? ^^^ Will it match your shoes?

Replied: 26th Jan 2013 at 21:27

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)

I'd missed that one, Jo anne.

Seems there really are people out there with a thing for turnips.

Another bag and a thing for turnips.

Replied: 26th Jan 2013 at 21:32

Posted by: jo anne (34722) 

Here's a *tenuous turn up for the books - within the same Blackadder Script:

Prince Regent George G: ...my being patron of this complete cowpat of a book would set the seal once and for all on my reputation as an utter turnip-head!

... Later ...

Mrs. Miggins - M: Ohh, Mr. Byron, don't be such a big girl's blouse!

*A strenuous turnip - from Turnip Prize to Pull-It's-A-Prize-Winner

Replied: 26th Jan 2013 at 21:44
Last edited by jo anne: 26th Jan 2013 at 21:45:40

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)



There was something quite attractive about Mrs M.

Especially when they went overboard with the Scottish theme and dressed her with tartan trimmings.

I nearly mentioned that one las night on the Burns thread when the MacWomble was mentioned. There was also a Macadder.

Replied: 26th Jan 2013 at 21:50

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)

Replied: 26th Jan 2013 at 21:51

Posted by: jo anne (34722) 

Tartan Day is 6th April - was that the LochyDragon, a distant relative of Leigh's Lobbydragon?!

(No turnips wear kilt in the making of that dish)

Replied: 26th Jan 2013 at 22:00

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)

I'm tempted now to look at big girls in tartan blouses.


Haven't heard much from the Lobbydragon lately.

Replied: 26th Jan 2013 at 22:12

Posted by: jo anne (34722) 

big girls in tartan blouses I think that will be plaid saling.

Haven't heard much from the Lobbydragon lately No, but I'm sure out of site doesn't mean out of mines.

Replied: 26th Jan 2013 at 22:18
Last edited by jo anne: 26th Jan 2013 at 22:19:04

 

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