HARTLEY's
Would appreciate any help on finding out about my ancestorsTomas 1890,Elizabeth 1817,Richard 1853, Ellen 1848 James 1838,Joseph 1840, Johm 1846, Ellen 1846,Elizabeth 1865, John 1868 all born in Wigan the later 2 Johns came to Australia around 1881
Started: 12th Feb 2007 at 09:00
Thomas was born 1819 not (1890) sorry
Replied: 12th Feb 2007 at 09:04
Hi is this them
1861 England Census
about Thomas Hartley
Name: Thomas Hartley
Age: 42
Estimated birth year: abt 1819
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Betty
Gender: Male
Where born: Wigan, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Wigan
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
Town: Wigan
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage: View image
Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Wigan
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 73
Household Members: Name Age
Ellen Boardman 78
Betty Hartley 45
Ellen Hartley 13
James Hartley 22
John Hartley 14
Joseph Hartley 20
Richard Hartley 8
Thomas Hartley 42
1861 England Census
about Betty Hartley
Name: Betty Hartley
Age: 45
Estimated birth year: abt 1816
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Thomas
Mother's name: Ellen
Gender: Female
Where born: Wigan, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Wigan
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
Town: Wigan
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage: View image
Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Wigan
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 73
Household Members: Name Age
Ellen Boardman 78
Betty Hartley 45
Ellen Hartley 13
James Hartley 22
John Hartley 14
Joseph Hartley 20
Richard Hartley 8
Thomas Hartley 42
1861 England Census
about Ellen Hartley
Name: Ellen Hartley
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1848
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Thomas
Mother's name: Betty
Gender: Female
Where born: Wigan, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Wigan
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
Town: Wigan
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage: View image
Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Wigan
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 73
Household Members: Name Age
Ellen Boardman 78
Betty Hartley 45
Ellen Hartley 13
James Hartley 22
John Hartley 14
Joseph Hartley 20
Richard Hartley 8
Thomas Hartley 42
1861 England Census
about James Hartley
Name: James Hartley
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1839
Relation: Son
Father's name: Thomas
Mother's name: Betty
Gender: Male
Where born: Wigan, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Wigan
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
Town: Wigan
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage: View image
Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Wigan
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 73
Household Members: Name Age
Ellen Boardman 78
Betty Hartley 45
Ellen Hartley 13
James Hartley 22
John Hartley 14
Joseph Hartley 20
Richard Hartley 8
Thomas Hartley 42
1861 England Census
about John Hartley
Name: John Hartley
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1847
Relation: Son
Father's name: Thomas
Mother's name: Betty
Gender: Male
Where born: Wigan, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Wigan
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
Town: Wigan
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage: View image
Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Wigan
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 73
Household Members: Name Age
Ellen Boardman 78
Betty Hartley 45
Ellen Hartley 13
James Hartley 22
John Hartley 14
Joseph Hartley 20
Richard Hartley 8
Thomas Hartley 42
1861 England Census
about Joseph Hartley
Name: Joseph Hartley
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1841
Relation: Son
Father's name: Thomas
Mother's name: Betty
Gender: Male
Where born: Wigan, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Wigan
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
Town: Wigan
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage: View image
Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Wigan
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 73
Household Members: Name Age
Ellen Boardman 78
Betty Hartley 45
Ellen Hartley 13
James Hartley 22
John Hartley 14
Joseph Hartley 20
Richard Hartley 8
Thomas Hartley 42
1861 England Census
about Richard Hartley
Name: Richard Hartley
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1853
Relation: Son
Father's name: Thomas
Mother's name: Betty
Gender: Male
Where born: Wigan, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Wigan
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
Town: Wigan
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage: View image
Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Wigan
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 73
Household Members: Name Age
Ellen Boardman 78
Betty Hartley 45
Ellen Hartley 13
James Hartley 22
John Hartley 14
Joseph Hartley 20
Richard Hartley 8
Thomas Hartley 42
1861 England Census
about Ellen Boardman
Name: Ellen Boardman
Age: 78
Estimated birth year: abt 1783
Relation: Mother-in-law
Gender: Female
Where born: Wigan, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Wigan
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
Town: Wigan
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage: View image
Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Wigan
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 73
Household Members: Name Age
Ellen Boardman 78
Betty Hartley 45
Ellen Hartley 13
James Hartley 22
John Hartley 14
Joseph Hartley 20
Richard Hartley 8
Thomas Hartley 42
1871 England Census
about John Hartley
Name: John Hartley
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1846
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Wigan, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Wigan
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
Town: Wigan
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View image
Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Wigan
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 152
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Hartley 53
Elizabeth Hartley 5
John Hartley 25
John T Hartley 2
Richard Hartley 18
Ellen Prescott 22
1871 England Census
about Ellen Prescott
Name: Ellen Prescott
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1849
Relation: Daughter
Mother's name: Elizabeth
Gender: Female
Where born: Wigan, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Wigan
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
Town: Wigan
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View image
Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Wigan
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 152
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Hartley 53
Elizabeth Hartley 5
John Hartley 25
John T Hartley 2
Richard Hartley 18
Ellen Prescott 22
1871 England Census
about John T Hartley
Name: John T Hartley
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Relation: Grandson
Father's name: John
Gender: Male
Where born: Wigan, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Wigan
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
Town: Wigan
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View image
Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Wigan
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 152
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Hartley 53
Elizabeth Hartley 5
John Hartley 25
John T Hartley 2
Richard Hartley 18
Ellen Prescott 22
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Replied: 12th Feb 2007 at 12:45
Last edited by sandra: 12th Feb 2007 at 17:14:46
Hi found this Marriage 1838 not sure if its the one's name splet wrong
BOARDMAN Elizabeth HARTLIFF Thomas St. David,Haigh Wigan & Leigh C14/1/54
Replied: 12th Feb 2007 at 16:01
Dear Sandra that was absolutely great thankyou for your help. Is there anyway you could give me a web site so I could get information on 1851. Once again many thanks for your assistance. Beth
Replied: 13th Feb 2007 at 05:58
Hi i got all info from Ancestry & Lancashire BDM , if you can't get it let me know & i will have a look
Regards Sandra
Replied: 13th Feb 2007 at 09:27
Dear Sandra - I tried to find what you said but couldnt - could you give me the exact web address please - many thanks Beth
Replied: 13th Feb 2007 at 11:17
Hi Ancestry.co.uk i think its about £9 a month
Replied: 13th Feb 2007 at 12:14
Hi had a look on 1851 can only find this one, don't know where colne is from Wigan , it may not be yours
1851 England Census
about Thomas Hartley
Name: Thomas Hartley
Age: 35
Estimated birth year: abt 1816
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Colne, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Colne
Ecclesiastical parish: St Bartholomew
Town: Colne
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View image
Registration district: Burnley
Sub-registration district: Colne
ED, institution, or vessel: 4b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 98
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Hartley 31
John Hartley 5 Mo
Joseph Hartley 2
Thomas Hartley 35
Jonas Utley 16
Replied: 13th Feb 2007 at 12:30
Dear Sandra - many thanks again but this is not them - have been sent an old hand written census page 1851 Township of Wigan cant read the street but says
Thomas head 32 Quarry man
Elizabeth wife 35
James son 13 cant read occupation
Joseph son 10
John son 4
Ellen daughter 2
this seems to work out with the dates you have given me previously
if you can find this one on your site I'd be very appreciative. Many thanks Beth
Replied: 13th Feb 2007 at 21:52
Hi found it, couldn't find it at first was putting Thomas instead of Thos, Address looks like 92 Queen St
1851 England Census
about Thos Hartley
Name: Thos Hartley
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1819
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Elizth
Gender: Male
Where born: Wigan, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Wigan
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View image
Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Wigan
ED, institution, or vessel: 1w
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 92
Household Members: Name Age
Elizth Hartley 35
Ellen Hartley 2
Jas Hartley 13
Jno Hartley 4
Jos Hartley 12
Thos Hartley 32
Replied: 14th Feb 2007 at 09:48
Hi found these on Family Search IGI cant see anything on other childern
IGI Individual Record FamilySearchâ„¢
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JAMES HARTLEY
Male
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 12 FEB 1839 Wigan, Lancashire, England
Death:
Burial:
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Parents:
Father: THOMAS HARTLEY Family
Mother: ELIZABETH
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JOSEPH HARTLEY
Male
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 11 JUN 1841 Wigan, Lancashire, England
Death:
Burial:
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Parents:
Father: THOMAS HARTLEY Family
Mother: ELIZABETH
Replied: 14th Feb 2007 at 13:47
Many thanks again for all your help - now I would like some help (anyone) to find out when Thomas Hartley born 1819 and his wife Elizabeth Hartley born 1816/17 died. I have done many searches (Lancashire) but cannot find. He is not on the 1871 census, but his wife is not quoted as a widow.
Would appreciate anyone pointing me in the right direction
Replied: 16th Feb 2007 at 03:09
Have you looked on Wigan Cemetery Index , chlick on Stuff. found a Thomas Hartley Living in Great Harwood Blackburn 1871 Occupation Stone Mason
Replied: 16th Feb 2007 at 11:36
Last edited by sandra: 16th Feb 2007 at 14:30:40
Many thanks again Sandra - you are a gem - could I ask you to see if there is anything on Thomas Hardy census 1831 and 1841 please - hate having to put you to the trouble all the time
Regards Beth
Replied: 17th Feb 2007 at 04:09
bethh650...have you tried using myheritage.com its free all you need is a email.address..what can you lose
Replied: 17th Feb 2007 at 04:14
Gary have tried myheritage.com it is mostly american and even on uk sites it dosent even show what I alreay have - unless you have got a better idea for me
Replied: 17th Feb 2007 at 07:04
Dear Sarah I must be one dunce as I went to the Wigan site - stuff - cemetary idex and I cant find the entry for Thomas I have found his daughter inlaw Ellen who died at 25 but cant see him. Am I not in the right site.
Replied: 17th Feb 2007 at 07:07
our Census only go from 1841 - 1901, can't seem to find him on 1841, will keep looking
Replied: 17th Feb 2007 at 11:12
Many thanks Sandra - he was born 1819 in Wigan Lancashire according to 51 & 61 survey. Did you find out how I can see that info on his death
regards Beth
Replied: 17th Feb 2007 at 11:57
Wigan Cemetary Index i think or for Ince & Lower Ince Cems he could have been burried in one of the others Cems , i don't know if you can get them on internet, you could try to get a Death Cert, but then you would need to know year of Death or address where he died, found this Death Entery this may be him , sorry i can't be of more help on this
Regards Sandra
England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1983
about Thomas Hartley
Name: Thomas Hartley
Estimated birth year: abt 1819
Year of Registration: 1876
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 57
District: Wigan
County: Greater Manchester, Lancashire
Volume: 8c
Page: 28 (click to see others on page)
Replied: 17th Feb 2007 at 12:52
Dear Sandra thanks for all your help and I think that may be him - I hope you dont mind if I ask another check for me.On the 1871 census dose it say Elizabeth is just the head meaning Thomas is away or dose it say she is a widow I cant seem to see her details on the above 1871 you sent me
Replied: 19th Feb 2007 at 00:17
Hiya Elizabeth Harley 1871 Head it says she is Married, living at 15 Brown St in the Parish of St Thomas, her Husband could have been working away somewhere
1871 England Census
about Elizabeth Hartley
Name: Elizabeth Hartley
Age: 53
Estimated birth year: abt 1818
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Wigan, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Wigan
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
Town: Wigan
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View image
Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Wigan
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 152
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Hartley 53
Elizabeth Hartley 5
John Hartley 25
John T Hartley 2
Richard Hartley 18
Ellen Prescott 22
Replied: 19th Feb 2007 at 11:39
Last edited by sandra: 19th Feb 2007 at 11:44:00
Once again many thanks Sandra
Replied: 20th Feb 2007 at 02:01
Can any one tell me how to find out information before 1937 as most directories are only from 1937 - trying to find Thomas Hartley's (1819) parents and where they came from
Replied: 22nd Feb 2007 at 02:57
Hiya the only other way i think is Parish Records
Replied: 22nd Feb 2007 at 09:58