Brexit: It is what yoo voted for

"Brexit Britain surges back! UK economy to grow by huge 7% after Covid, new report predicts"

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"Merkel hammerblow: German economy has taken £12bn hit as Brits boycott EU - new report"

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Empty supermarket shelves, soaring prices, weak GBP etc.. is proof of the pudding?

Between 124 and 134 minutes before you get a reply.

"a new survey has suggested."
Are you for real. Its a survey
We have just done a new survey ( there were four of us! )
and we suggested that Altrincham FC will win the Champions League next season.

It's wot yoo voted for

Some folk must detest living in a democracy. That is somewhere where the public ACTUALLY get a vote to decide their future. Far better to live in China, North Korea or Russia where decisions are made for you. No moaning allowed.

Spot on , Tommy
But will it happen

"GERMANY's economy has been hit to the tune of more than £12billion as a result of British consumers shunning EU products after Brexit, a new analysis has suggested"
So when you do your weekly / daily shop do you not buy the products if they have originated from an EU country?

I voted out and glad i did, I would never vote to reverse it because, Its going to take decades to sort out the mess and, Its never going to be like it should be,
Great Britain is long lost But now that our, ' them men' have more control the euro 'them men' have less and eventually the English 'us men' will pay for it,

If its going to take decades to sort the "mess" "out Its never going to be like it should be " ( your words) Tom. Why did you vote for it

because, This is England and our elected MP's should be running it, Giving us the vote convinced me that, they don't know what to do so, It was our duty as English people to tell them,
" hoi, we are paying your wage, do as we say " and the people voted and made our voices heard, Now its up to them to make it work, Theresa May was trying her beat to make it not work then, Boris stepped in and gave us what we voted for,
hail Boris, now he has to make it work,

Tom,
You are spending too much time with a gent that flits in and out of the EU. All this “ them men” and “ us men” talk. No matter who is Captain of the ship he only decides which course to sail after the guys in the background decide. No one knows who these faceless folk are but they are there. Best not to bother and just enjoy ourselves.

agreed Broady,
the vote should never have come to joe public, we know eff all but it did, most voted because they thought voting 'out' would stop the surge of immigrants , That was not my reason BTW, I voted because since the 1970's common market, I had to learn millimeters and litres and buy new tools,
this new vote was, pay back time,

"Hollywood plans £700m film and TV studios in Hertfordshire"

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It's what you voted for

you are joking arnt you . it,s been highlited further up this blog & your ignoring it . empty shelves unemployment high , soaring prices & that,s wot you voted for not something that,s planned . get real 1stroke.

Some of that is down to COVID. Lots of people have been pinged so cannot work. Not sure whether it was good or bad to come out but I am sure that COVID has played a big part in lots of the above.

'Bluetooth' can be switched off, tha'knows!

Were are these empty shops Most produce is on the shelves in every shop I go into. There are various reasons why the supply chain is stretched but not broken.Have we always relied on immigrants to run this counties road network and farms what about our unemployed? We are in a transition period and even Rome was not built in a day.

I have not noticed any empty shelves anywhere.

"Banking giant HSBC sees first half profit more than double"

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It's what yoo voted for

"New £1.4billion Space Command HQ aims to guard the UK against Russia and China"

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Whupsy, the UK is becoming a Spacefaring Nation, we are going into Space

Yoo can go with them Whupsy, and be the Yoonion Mon

They will be launching into space from Scotland LINK

It's what you voted for

Tonker if you like being in Europe so much why not move to Spain permanently serious question?

so can you 1stroke . you have dragged us down this path & wont accept any responsibility for it . you will believe ANYTHING to try & justify your vote . as for shelves not stocked i can tell you that iv,e already had things removed from my order from iceland & lets be honest 1stroke if it was in your face you,d still deny it . and that,s wot YOU voted for .

Poppycock !!!!

I know of people who get home deliveries and they say some items are deleted/changed but no more than before covid. What people do not understand is most home deliveries are done from the shop floor and staff are isolating so there could be a delay on orders.At the last count there were 1.1 million unemployed people in this country.Are they all into IT or hospitality no there are farm workers and hgv/flt drivers among them but cannot find work

peter our lot wont get out of bed so we have to rely on foriegn workers . there,s plenty work but we have made them feel so unwelcome most have gone home . and that,s wot the bigots like 1stroke voted for .like iv,e said 1stroke you wont admit it but yoo have to take the responsibility for it . poppycock just wont work anymore & your already a space cadet.

The unfettered immigration into this country, legally done by citizens of other EU countries was probably the main reason I voted for Brexit, it was mental, but as regards immigration from people who we want to come and work here, like the seasonal workers, I am all in favour of it

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HGV drivers

Whups when was the last time you did a day's work? Stop scrounging and get a job you lazy bleeder...

Gaffer

That is a very interesting article, and 'thaknows' was saying the same stuff on here a couple of weeks ago

TTS,
It is an interesting article. I remember the post from a couple of weeks ago. I have a friend on FB who is an HGV driver and almost daily he posts job vacancies paying £20 an hour or more and in a lot of cases an introductory bonus. I hadn’t noticed , until thaknows pointed it out ,that many of them were working for agencies. I wonder why companies are reluctant to hire direct. There must be a mark up they pay to agencies.

listen laughing boy or kellys dad or sergio123 or whatever you call yourself there,s only YOU thats scrounging & bleeding the system dry by your claims & as for looking for work it,s a bit rich coming from a workshy scrounger who swans around hind rd on his motor bike instead of looking for work ? .

"Brexit Britain to build revolutionary power plant harvesting star energy in world first"

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It's what yoo voted for

"ITER is funded and run by seven member parties - the European Union, China, India, Japan, Russia, South Korea, and the United States."
European Union

"The UK and Switzerland participate through Euratom"
Doo yoo actually read what yoo copy and paste?

They sorted out the Euratom thing last December, LINK

tell us 1stroke who,s building that reactor & where the money is going after it,s built ? . that,s wot YOU led us into.

Whups,
Obviously you are a remainer which is your right in a democracy. What were the main reasons for you taking that stance? You appear to be quite vociferous to the Brexiteers.

Posted by: laughing gravy (7433)

Tonker if you like being in Europe so much why not move to Spain permanently serious question?

He believed that when the NHS was flogged off to some American cowboys and we’d left the EU he would have to pay for his insulin and it would be at an eye watering price.

That Whupsy is not really here is he, he is in Whupsyland

you are in cloudcuckoo land 1stroke . the reason being broady is because the deluded like 1stroke & others voted for the lies & bigotry by the likes of farrage & co . reese- mogg who was a advocate of brexit lied saying we would be better off out of the EU & wot did he do , opened an office in dublin so he could carry on trading with the EU . another is tim martin of weatherspoons said the same & now because most of his staff has gone back home he now wants a deal for EU staff to come back after telling them they wer,nt welcome , hypoctites or wot . and now we are getting empty shelves & today i,ve things missing from my order from iceland . the likes of 1stroke & others were the 1s who pointed the finger at "foreigners"& supported ukip & the bigot farrage & thats why broady . and gaffer as far as shortages are concerned it,s already happening & instead of believing some dodgy web site you shud go by experience & 1 company have already been fined millions for upping their price of meds to the NHS .

Whups I shop at Marks for food every week. There's never been a shortage of anything food wise. As for the drug companies overcharging the NHS, it's ascandal that's been going on for years. It had nothing to do with Brexit.
The CMA found that Auden Mckenzie and its economic successor, Actavis UK (now known as Accord-UK), overcharged the National Health Service (NHS) for hydrocortisone tablets (used by tens of thousands of UK patients to treat adrenal insufficiency) between 2008 and 2018, exploiting the fact that de-branded drugs are not subject to NHS price regulation. During that time, the price of the tablets rose by over 10,000%, from less than GBP1 per 10mg pack for the original branded version to over GBP80. NHS spending on hydrocortisone tablets meanwhile rose from around GBP500,000 a year in 2008 to over GBP80m a year in 2016. Although prices fell gradually after competitors entered the market, Accord-UK continued to charge higher prices than its rivals.
The CMA also found that Auden Mckenzie and Accord-UK were able to raise prices so dramatically because they were the sole provider of the tablets during much of that period. Auden Mckenzie initially engineered this by entering into “pay-for-delay” agreements with two potentially competing generic manufacturers - AMCo (now Advanz Pharma) and Waymade. The generics agreed to stay out of the market between 2011 and 2015, in exchange for payments totalling GBP21m and GBP1.8m (respectively). After Accord-UK took over sales of hydrocortisone tablets from Auden Mckenzie in 2015 it continued making payments to Advanz Pharma.
The CMA imposed total fines of GBP266.4 million. Auden Mackenzie and Accord-UK were fined the lion’s share of this: GBP221.1m, of which:
Accord-UK is solely liable for GBP65.6m;
Allergan (the former parent company of Accord-UK) is solely liable for GBP109.1m;
Accord-UK and Allergan are jointly and severally liable for GBP2m; and
Accord Healthcare and Intas (both current parent companies of Accord-UK) are jointly and severally liable for GBP44.4m, along with Accord-UK.
The CMA has held Accord-UK liable for Auden Mckenzie’s conduct before it took over the business in 2015. Liability between Accord-UK’s former owner (Allergan) and its current owners (Accord Healthcare and Intas) has been attributed according to their respective ownership periods.
Fines were also imposed on the potential generic competitors – Advanz Pharma group (GBP42.8m) and Waymade (GBP2.5m) – for their parts in the pay-for-delay infringement.

i dont care wot goes on at m & s i shop at iceland & iv,e been short twice now . others have complained on here about other big stores being short of things . all the papars have put pics on with shelves being empty . you really must like typing gaffer .

I was in Lidl yesterday, and there were no empty shelves.

rubbish as usual . wot were you in there for toilet rolls .

No Whupsy I was there for Veg

really so all those pics in the paper & on TV are false then ?.

The Brexit vote was given to 'the people' for a purpose. It was so that 'the people' could be blamed for it when it goes wrong.
Brexit was planned before 2013 along with future trade negotiations with China!

If shelves are never empty when are they cleaned? How does anyone know when those pictures were taken? Are the pictures from the original pandemic panic buying? Anyone can publish pictures from anytime whenever they choose to.

Whups
If you shop on line and don’t allow alternatives and the item or items you want is or are out of stock there’s nothing you can do about it. If you shop in store you can often find an alternative.
The fact that the big supermarkets have for many years had the ‘will you accept alternatives’ as a standard item on their online order form suggests it is not due to Brexit.
If you read the Iceland reviews on Trust Pilot you will note the complaints of shortages on delivery. Apparently alternatives aren’t often sent because of computer stock data not being updated in a timely fashion.
Anybody reading the Trust Pilot reviews on Iceland would conclude they would be better served moving their custom elsewhere.

wot,s the point in alternatives as you want wot you want . no point in having 2nd best ? .

Well go without then yoo daft bugger, and have yoo never known a shop or supermarket to just run out of something, because they stock on the basis of what they expect to sell, and I have experience of working for a large retail concern, and of ordering stock, and wo betide anyone who over stocks their shop, the idea is the 'just in time' type of thing, if a shop generally sells 100 tins of something per day, then that is only what should be ordered, and taking Morrisons in Wigan, which had its own warehouse space, this was because when the store first opened, and I think the warehouse facilities were still only in Yorkshire, then the store would receive three deliveries a week, and the shelves were filled throughout the week from stock in the shop warehouse, but now such stores receive three deliveries per day from warehouses in this part of the country, because they want the stock from the wagon, to go straight on to the shelves and into the customers shopping trolleys, they don't want stock sat in the back of shops.

So Whupsy before the pandemic and Brexit yoo could still receive an order with half of the stuff missing, especially if yoo won't accept an alternative product, so what did yoo blame those shortages on back then before 2020

Don't tell me and let me guess ?

Margaret Thatcher and the Tories

There were already a shortage of HGV drivers prior to Brexit. But Brexit has made it worse
A lot of the drivers have thrown the towel in due to the delays, paperwork, customs checks etc due to us leaving the European Union.
With the above delays, it adds a lot of time to their working week. I would not like to do it.
That is why our imported fresh fruit and veg is rotting way before its best before date

The veg I bought in Lidl yesterday was advertised as being British,, and they was luverly

well you voted ukip , thats tory isnt it .

now there,s a shortage of around 100,000 hgv drivers & firms are now giving them a golden signing on fee of a £1,000 . & you still say there,s no shortage . maybe the space cadet 1stroke can imagine the shelves full ? .

Whupsy

I voted UKIP, and then for the Brexit Party at the last General Election, if I had wanted to vote for the Tories, I would have voted for the Tory

you VOTED FOR THE TORYS , farrage , widdicome, johnson,s sister , paul nuttall . ALL TORYS .

I voted for Brexit.....yeeesssss...

and did you vote on a bigoted view ? .

Whups... I voted for what I thought would be good for me.....why do people like you always come up with stupid statements like that when thing don't seem to be going the way you want it.....Anyway there's nowt you can do but as usual you keep coming up with 'istree from the past....

I see the member of an immigrant ugandan family ,the traitor shitti patel ,has started deporting e u friends and neighbours ,even though a judge has ruled it unlawful.
Thousands of elderly and vulnerable people are at risk.
The application to stay under the e u settled status scheme was denied them .
And a post on here has the sheer audacity to call whups stupid .
Y C N M I U.

Well Grimshaw, today is the 50th anniversary of His Excellency, President for Life, Field Marshal Al Hajj Doctor Idi Amin Dada, VC, DSO, MC, Lord of all the Beasts of the Earth and Fishes of the Sea and Conqueror of the British Empire in Africa in General and Uganda in Particular.

He was madder than yoo Grimshaw, and 50yrs today he kicked out the Ugandan Asians, and as they were British passport holding citizens they came here, with only the clothes on their backs, and they did very well here in Britain, and Britain has done very well out of having them here, the same way we will do well out of having those British passport holding Hong Kongers here, there is nowt wrong with immigration, as long as it is the right sort of immigration

If you had a brain 1 stroke you would be dangerous.
You cockwobbling half-wit .

Voted kipper did you 1 stroke .
You clearly are madder than the proverbial march hare .

frecky why do people like you who have dragged us down this path fail to admit responsability for it & dont admit that you voted on a pack of lies & bigotry by fools like farrage & jacob reese-mogg .you got "the way you wanted it " & now we are no further on & in fact we are now in a worse potition than we were before brexit . these "foreigners you dont want in may just save your life 1 day.

Workshy why not bigger off back to Ireland if you that bothered but you won't you like scrounging our benefits too much PARASITE

Grimshaw....Whups was saying my reason for voting brexit was because of possible bigotry, that was personal and nothing to do with your post....whups, so all the ills of the country fall on my, and people who voted yes....that's a very sweeping statement...How long have we been out of the EU?. All as you remainers can do is look on the bad side of everything...Please carry on wallowing in your misery, my life is doing pretty well thank you......

yes frecky you typify the kind of people who voted brexit & it is personable because it affects all our lives . a self centered bigot who,s a "man mind thy self " attitute reflects a tory idealism & who has dragged this country down the path of uncertainty . a typical right whinger who gloats just because he won a marginal vote & cares not about his fellow man . you CANNOT say that we are any better off now than before brexit & it,s people like you & laughing boy who will eventually bring this country down to it,s knees . tell us all frecky how much of that so-called £350,000,000 a week has our NHS had since we left the EU ? .

you hav,nt worked for over 20 yrs laughing boy & it,s people like you who claim benefits & never look for work because your to busy swanning around hind rd on your italian mororbike which the dole paid for . and by the way i was born here .

Whups .
Terrific stuff .

“By the way I was born here”

There, in St.Helens, laaaaike?

Peasley Cross

TTS ;......GB

the same place as you gavin . and it was billinge for my birth , you also forget that we were in wigan until boundry changes

Whups
The part of Garswood Road where your father lived was in Ashton.

Golden Bear

When we was in the EU, immigration from the EU countries, increased at a 'frightening' rate, and people were saying like you have just said, well what happens when this country is full, is it already full, full movement of people within the EU was allowed from 2004 to January of this year, it was mental, and the figures are these.

UK population increase

1964 53 million

+40yrs

2004 58 million

An increase of 5 million over the 40yrs from 1964 to 2004

2004 58 million

+10yrs

2014 65 million

An increase of 7 million over 10yrs

And by last year 2020 the population of this country had increased to 69 million

In1964 53million

over 40yrs 5 million increase

2004 58 million

Over 16yrs 11 million

2020 69 million

So for that extra 11 million people who come here since 2004 we have the .....

Same or less hospital and GP capacity
Same railway capacity
A fraction of the bus service capacity
Same or less schools
A lot less police

But we have an extra 11 million people to look after

That translates into not getting an hospital or GP appointment
You cannot get a train seat, and if you can you have to pay rip off prices
You cannot send your kids to your local schools because they are already full up with immigrants children

etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc

And Golden Bear that is why we have left the EU to stop that mental increase in population

But we need a few thousand immigrants a year to cover the jobs for which we don't have enough home grown workers for, and that is 'managed' immigration, we only take what we need.

As regards the Hong Kong passport holders, all them will not come here, a good proportion will go to other countries, such has America and Australia, but they cannot just walk into this country like the EU lot could do, they have to jump through a few hoops.

Hong Kong immigrant rules LINK

Whupsy wanted us to stop in the EU

my father did,nt live in garswood he was an out & out ashtoner.

Sorry. There were two of the same name and age. The other address was Stonecroft Terrace behind the police station.

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke
"As regards the Hong Kong passport holders, all them will not come here, a good proportion will go to other countries, such has America and Australia,"

And we'll finish up with a load of snooker players and Cantonese chefs.
Nothing wrong with that. I like both. I'm all for it
Bring it on

Canada is in dire need of two million Immigrants in all trades. They hoped to achieve it in three years but COVID set the timetable back. They will have to satisfy basic criteria before they are admitted. Certainly HGV drivers will be welcomed.

iv,e never known any of my fathers side to live in garswood & i cant think of anybody his age either that,s related ? .

Whups, just re-read your post regarding me being a self centred bigot....now, I refuse to get into a slanging match with you because basically you're not worth it, but I would like you to google the word bigot and see what it actually means....then look in the mirror......This is my last comment on this, I do have a life other than WW....

'UK economy rebounds as Covid restrictions ease'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58183519

It is what yoo voted for

so tell us 1stroke how much you,ve benefitted from this increase bearing in mind it,s not as much as the bank of england predicted ? . .

Whupsy

I personally cannot say that I have benefited from it at all

Workshy Why do you stay here if you want to be in Europe you stupid buffoon..

Its bound to have grown if most businesses emerged from lockdown after being shut for months!
It could not have shrunk any smaller. The only way was up

Poppycock !!!!

no mention of the food rotting in the fields 1stroke ? .

why dont you go back to that hovel of a flat & see if you can start a fire lazy man.

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yet another post removed for vile comments . how much longer do we have to put up with this clown ? .

You've been slrikin to admin haven't you can give but can't take can you Jimmy...

i see you got your just rewards in the end.

got my order from iceland today & yet again there,s 2 items missing when i inquired about it they said it,s because of the lack of drivers . so dont tell me there,s no problem here .

Well use Asda instead

why shud i & who,s to say they dont have the same problem . this is wot you voted for.

Whupsy

Now don't be blaming me because your shoppings a few items light.

If yoo don't like Asda, yoo could always try Sainsbury's

my mate told me today he went in the co op & virtually all the shelves were bare . this is wot you & your kind has brought us with nothing but bigotry .

Supermarkets are reporting staff shortages in the supply chain through staff being 'pinged' from track and trace.

Staff shortages in the supply chain are due to Brexit as a lot of the HGV drivers have thrown in the towel because of the red tape now involved with us leaving the European Union.
Some Lidl outlets are receiving orders 2 weeks late and they are having to dump a lot of the "fresh" produce due to it being rotten.

They were the words of a staff member at my local Lidl when I enquired about a certain product in there which I had not seen on the shelf for a while.

Oh shurup yoo daft cat, I was in the little Asda at Marus Bridge on Saturday, and the shelves were at their normal level of stock, the only difference is that since the week before they had put those automatic tills in, and the only manual one they have left in there now was closed, there is now a conveyor belt till, like the ones which were in the big asda, but they have not put in those 'bigger' self-service tills, they have at the big Asda, just more of the standard size basket tills, so they must be trying to get folk who want a bigger shop to go to the bigger Asda, and to be honest I am not impressed with it.

Tommy.
What has this got to do with Asda?
I was on about Lidl if you care to read my post properly!

Currently two in every three products within our permanent range are from British suppliers and a fifth of Lidl products sold in Scotland are sourced from Scottish suppliers. We now offer over 1800 British-made products, including our own-brand eggs, milk, cream, butter, fresh beef and fresh chicken.

From here

Two out of three products aint bad.
But if you want the third product, its ....bad

It didn’t say they didn’t have it. It said it wasn’t sourced in the UK.

i wonder why the soft fruit is rotting ? .

Supermarket soft fruit is coated to stop it ripening during transit and storage. If you buy it from a place where there’s a greengrocer or market stall it will be fine.
I bought strawberries and blueberries from Sainsburys last Friday. On Sunday the strawberries were mouldy. I’ve just eaten the same bought at Marks yesterday, they were fresh and tasty. Produce may be a little more expensive at Marks than supermarkets but the quality is superior. Obviously it’s getting to the stores from the growers quickly.

Quite a few years ago there was a thread on ‘fresh’ fruit/ veg and I remember saying I didn’t think Sainsbury’s wasn’t as ‘fresh’ as Asda, using the word manky.

There is nowt wrong with using the word 'Manky' I use it all the time, and to which we have a 'Manky' fox on here called Basil

Posted by: broady (17094)

"It didn’t say they didn’t have it. It said it wasn’t sourced in the UK."
I knew that That was the root of the problem.
If products are coming from the EU to the UK expect delays on some products.

Will the suppliers on the continent not eventually get peed off at the reduction in their trade and ultimately their profits?

Probably just as much as the retailers and purchasers over here. Everybodys getting peed off with it
No problem before we left the EU. Not on this scale anyway.

quite right cc .

Oh deer !!!! LINK

nandos have joined the latest slump in supplies along with kfc . maybe they shud get them from asda or m&s as there seems an abundance there .

Whupsy

Well try having a duck instead

keep closing your eyes to wots going on 1stroke because it,s worse since we came out of the EU . just get used to it .

just heard that the great M&S that gaffer bangs on about who,s owner tim steiner has just pocketed £58.7 mill as part owner of octavo-zoom who deliver for M&S while the delivery men only get as little as £2.91 per hour & they have to meet the car & van costs . no wonder there,s a driver shortage .

Tim Steiner is a co founder of Ocado delivery systems. He has nothing to do with Marks and Spencer. Marks have a significant shareholding in Ocado. Marks home deliveries are done by Ocado.
If Ocado are paying below the minimum wage they should be reported to the Inland Revenue to get reimbursed and get the company prosecuted.

the mirror states that tim steiner is the boss of octado which is half owned by m&s ? .there is a link to them both .

Whups

If you want to acquire company information the free government website Companies House Beta will disclose all. Perhaps a touch more accurate than the Daily Mirror. Ocado sell grocery delivery systems across the world. Marks are 50% joint owners of an Ocado subsidiary, Ocado Retail. Prior to the Marks deal Ocado were the home delivery company for Waitrose supermarkets.
The Marks Ocado tie up went live on September 1st last year so the time span for the employee complaints occurred predominantly during the Waitrose period.

will you still shop with them knowing that the delivery company are exploiting their workers ? .

I didn’t believe that claptrap in the Daily Mirror. They couldn’t care less about Ocado employees pay they were more interested in having a pop at the boss.
In this day and age no major UK company could get away with blatantly breaking the law and underpaying employees.
Ocado have released a statement which clarifies the situation.
For the record I will continue shopping at Marks because I like the quality of the food.


Ocado pay

it,s like you putting claptrap on here . people like you who either dont or wont believe the truth even when it,s in front of you are the problem for people who suffer under this kind of regime & it woudnt suprise me if your a advocate of "fire & rehire" . i find it distasteful that you still shop with m&s after this disgraceful revelation .

Iceland pay less.
The typical Iceland Foods Delivery Driver salary is £10 per hour. Delivery Driver salaries at Iceland Foods can range from £9 - £11 per hour. This estimate is based upon 543 Iceland Foods Delivery Driver salary report(s) provided by employees or estimated based upon statistical methods.

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Come in Whupsy, wot ave yoo got too say about that then

well 1stroke octado who deliver for m&s was reported in the mirror y/day they are on as little as £2-19 ph & have to pay their fuel cost as well & it,s a bit much when their head has just got a rise of £58.7 million ?. i know gaffer will come back on here with something else but i suspect he,ll get his info from somewhere dodgy . i think he reads the express or new statesman .he must think his facts are always true by putting links on here . who says that his facts are right & he,s quick to dismiss anybody else,s .

Whups

If you read the Ocado press release you should note that it refers to a separate subsidiary from the Ocado/Marks tie up. In other words the Mirror piece is referring to the Zoom subsidiary which accounts for 1% of Ocado drivers.
As a well educated , retired successful business executive I get my business information from impeccable sources. If you had the nous you could check up on anything I post but you would rather twist everything to suit your own political agenda.

Give it a rest Whups, you lost we won, and I am so glad we did.

No bottled drinks and milk shakes in McDonalds now. Not that it affects me.

Richard Griffiths, chief executive of the British Poultry Council, blamed worker shortages following Brexit for the issues the industry is currently facing.

"When you don't have people, you have a problem - and this is something we are seeing across the whole supply chain. The labour crisis is a Brexit issue,"

Poppycock !!!!

"Limiting the number of people from outside of the UK who are allowed to work in the country, while repeatedly referring to workers in the industry as low-skilled, had "jeopardised food businesses and made access to quality British food harder for people in this country."

"Mr Griffiths said that the British Poultry Council had called on the government to include poultry meat supply chain workers on the skilled worker list and shortage occupation list, while reducing unnecessary thresholds on salaries and skills, in order to solve the labour shortage."
Thats what Mr Griffiths told Sky News

yoo much read the news 1stroke to keep up with the news.

Are we a nation of IT workers or do our unemployed not know how to get their hands dirty or are they on that much benefits it does not pay them to work There are over 1MILLION registered unemployed in this country.

Where has the Piano Player gone because he wants to change the bloody tune on this page,I stoped reading all this bloody rubish, Get a job on,t Muck cart Tommy Teeeeeeeeeeee

now it,s happening to the likes of nando,s , macdonnells , iceland & the rest maybe yoo will start to open up your eyes 1stroke , it,s wot you voted for

Whupsy

As I understand it, one of the reasons that yoo wanted to remain in the EU, was so that it would be easier for football players from the EU, to work and live in the UK, because players from outside the EU would have had to apply for a work permit to live and work in the UK, and my argument was that it is just down to paperwork, and in the case of footballers that paperwork would have been done by the agents of the overseas football players, and it is just paperwork, a few forms to fill in, applications to work here which will just be rubber-stamped by the UK authorities.
Now football players from the EU will have to go through the same procedure when coming to play football over here in the UK, same as players from outside of the EU have been dooing for years now, just a few forms to fill in.

Nothing to be worried about.

So for example let's look at Ronaldo, he is moving back to the UK from Italy and Portugal, and does Ronaldo give a toss if we are in the EU or not, will it affect him, the answer Whupsy, is that it won't make an hapeth of difference to Cristiano Ronaldo, whether the UK is in the EU or not, the only difference now is that he won't be able to sign on, or put is name down for a council house

it,s absolutely NOTHING to do with football or any other sport . your trouble is that the likes of you have got us into this mess & wont accept responsability for it . you will look for any excuse for wot you,ve done to try & cloud the issue . i hope your satisfied with your bigoted vote which shows in your latest reply which by the way is laughable . it,s wot you voted for .

I wonder if Covid has affected anything.

maybe & brexit too .

Whupsy!

"Even Britain, facing all the headwinds from leaving the EU combined with a particularly bad pandemic showing, is staging one of the most rapid recoveries in its history"

EU goes tits up

It's wot yoo voted for

Will we benefit from these "predictions" and if so, how?
We will need a massive recovery to pay the divorce bill what we owe
The Eu is also in recovery. Did you read this bit?
"True, the zone is growing, but at a far slower pace than the rest of the world."
Who knows how big anything will grow

TTS

The cabinet minister Nicholas Ridley was sacked by Mrs. Thatcher for stating that the proposed European monetary union, leading to the Euro, was a German racket.
History has shown him to be right. The Euro has been a subsidy for German exports whilst crucifying the economies of Italy, France and to a lesser effect the weaker members of the Eurozone.
Since the introduction of the Euro and up 2017 the German economy has benefited to the tune of Euro 1.9 trillion or Euro 23,000 per inhabitant. Italy has suffered a loss of Euro 4.3 trillion or Euro 74,000 per inhabitant.
For France the loss is Euro 3.6 trillion and Euro 56,000 per inhabitant.

Bloody Krauts

They say that they might have lost the war, but they won the peace.

Gaffer, I don't understand why Germany should benefit any more than another Euro country.
The Euro is a single currency. As far as I see it, the country which does most trade makes most money (in €, of course!)

Three weeks ago, we drove to Spain, via France.
It was clear, to both of us, that every other car was either an Audi, a Mercedes or a Volkswagen, with one or two Porsche spotted on occasion.

Could it not be that the money ploughed into Gerrmany, by the rest of The World, after the war, came to fruition at that time?

I can only see an an advantage in trading in currencies of different exchange values.
A € is a €, whether German, French, Italian or Spanish.

As I understand it, the Euro is basically the old German currency, the Deutschmark.

and wot about the franc , lira,pesata irish punt to name a few .it,s wot yoo voted for 1stroke .

The EU value of the € is the same now as it was when it was fixed in 1998. It can't change. It was based on the value of each currency, against each other, at the time
1€ is worth 1€ in any using country.

And it wasn't based on the Deutschmark.

Example:
If you gave 19 people £1,000 each, after 23 months their total would be £38,000.
But some of the 19 people would have nothing left and some would have doubled their money. One might have £10,000, a couple might have £7,500 and a few would have £2,500.
Then, those who made most money would have to support those who'd pissed it all up against a wall.

And that's the way it is.

At the start of the € the DM was valued at 1€ = DM 1.96. At the time Sterling was trading at £1 = €1.40.
The equivalent DM £ rate was £1 = DM 2.74.
Some 22 years later the weaker Eurozone economies have ‘devalued’ the currency relative to the DM to Germany’s export pricing advantage.
Today £1 = €1.17 which would be DM 2.29 = £1
It’s the same for the US dollar which is why past US Presidents have complained about German cars having an unfair price advantage from the Euro.

At the start of the € the DM was valued at 1€ = DM 1.96. At the time Sterling was trading at £1 = €1.40.
The equivalent DM £ rate was £1 = DM 2.74.
Some 22 years later the weaker Eurozone economies have ‘devalued’ the currency relative to the DM to Germany’s export pricing advantage.
Today £1 = €1.17 which would be DM 2.29 = £1
It’s the same for the US dollar which is why past US Presidents have complained about German cars having an unfair price advantage from the Euro.

was,nt it gordon brown that kept us out of the euro ? .

Yes it was.

maybe someone can educate the renowned gordon brown hater 1stroke on who it was who kept us out of the euro ? .

I hate to say this, Gaffer, but you’re wrong about € !

Euro

Whupsy

Yes, I already knew that Gordon Brown kept us out of the Euro, and from accounts Tony Blair was very much in favour of us joining the Euro, but Gordon Brown got his way and kept us out of it, and there were indications that the currency system in the Europe was all to cock in the 1980s when Britain crashed out of the ERM, in 1987 on Ethnic Wednesday.

But Whupsy, I cannot understand the mentality of someone like yoo, in that just because Gordon Brown was right about the Euro, that does not mean he was right about everything else, no one is right about everything, can I not like Gordon Brown for keeping us out of the Euro, but detest him for other things he did, same as Boris, I like him for completing Brexit, but he is not half a nob in other things he does.

It is called being open-minded Whupsy, and yoo should give it a try

why dont you practice wot you preach & not voted the way you did. your mentality is a purely bigoted one based on the lying farrage who conned you into thinking the EU was bad for you then he picks up his megga bucks euro pension & here,s some more examples , jacob reese-mogg who lied & said the same about the EU while opening an office in dublin so he could carry on trading with them & tim martin who did the same & now bleating about having no staff after making them feel unwanted while you lot gets us into this mess . i now cant have my blood test because of your vote which being diabetic need them done regular . all these things were told to you before the vote & yoo chose to ignore them . if thats "open-mindedness" then you can keep it .

Whups

Good news on you blood tests. The American manufacturer is switching supplies around the world and diverting them to the UK. They reckon in a couple weeks the supply should be getting back to normal.

In compliance with the legal framework for the use of the euro, the irrevocable conversion rate for the euro for each participating currency is the only rate to be used for conversion either way between the euro and the national currency unit and also for conversions between national currency units.

gaffer iv,e been in touch with my gp today & i have to wait 3 weeks for my blood test .

As it is health related and obviously concerning have you checked out private testing? I would imagine it costs less than what you used to spend on beer every week. Health is more important than wealth.

hav,nt had a drink for over 3yrs . i will not go private .

I know that is why I said “ used to”

really .

Yoo can buy a machine to test your blood sugar level from Asda for £10 quid

iv,e got 1 i,m on about blood checks at the gp fool.

Whupsy

This should please yoo, because we know how worried you are about the NHS not having drugs, and being ripped off by the USA
Well we are going to be ripped off by the Japanese instead

"Brexit Britain victory as major health deal struck with Japan - 3.5m Brits could benefit

LINK

As co incy dence, our big super carrier the HMS Queen Elizabeth, has just docked in Japan, because they don't like it up em Whupsy

same shit . it,s wot you got us into.

Poppycock !!!!

Whupsy

If we had still been in the EU you would probably not have had your jab yet, so people like me who voted to leave the EU ,, have got yoo your jab

The argument is are we going to be better off in or out of the EU

Tonker '' ....GB

Whups I phoned up for blood test and within 2days they were done at TLC.Also at 8-30am this morn I used "Ask my GP" to get an appointment to see the doctor for the missus and at 11-00am we saw the doctor.Only thing I have had to wait for is the dentist I lost a filling(about 2 weeks ago) and was asked was I in pain I said NO told earliest date is the 16th Sept

Whups, I took the Missus to the Linacre this morning, there were no more than 3 waiting for a blood test on going in, and coming out, I waited 4 days last week to have mine, there was me an one other person.

I had a blood test last week at the TLC and I had to wait 10 days for it, but I had booked it just before the story broke about a lack of those glass phials, and personally I hope they keep the booking system, last wek I had four in front of me and less than a ten minute wait, but on a blood test at the TLC just a month or so before the Covid outbreak, I waited for well over an hour and think as I remember that there were nearly 30 in front of me that day and that waiting room was packed.

my mate advised me about appointments a the tlc..
do not bother phoning ,just turn up ,take a ticket and give them your slip of paper folded neatly then go home. on many occasions their is no one there.

GoldenBear - "Wha'chotalkin'bout, Willis"?

Links are shown in red. D'y'know!?

From Guido Fawkes

The media made plenty of noise last week over the alleged ‘beer shortage’ at Wetherspoons. Both the Independent and the Mirror leapt at the chance to say the chain had “run dry“, with the Mirror then landing its killer blow by insisting this was all “caused by Brexit“. Naturally.
Wetherspoon chairman Tim Martin has now pushed back to say these claims are all untrue. The reality is that beer supplies actually remain at 2019 (i.e. pre-pandemic) levels, and that the shortage of a few products over the last two weeks is the result of strike action from one major brewer. Martin added:
“There is clearly a shortage of HGV drivers, both in the UK and in mainland Europe- where, some reports say, there is a shortage of 400,000 drivers. Following the pandemic, there are supply chain issues in many other parts of the world also. In the light of the undoubted problems, it is important that the public is provided with accurate information. Factual inaccuracies and partisan Brexit politics will not assist in finding solutions.”
France, Germany, and Spain are all experiencing an HGV shortage at the moment. Probably down to Brexit too, somehow…

Analyse this, Gaffer .......

The UK is short of HGV drivers due to Brexit. Fact.

The reason? Well, before brexit, EU-based drivers would deliver a load EU to UK. Then they would operate in the UK, load after load, for a few weeks, then return-loading to the EU. Then repeat the process.
The UK government has restricted EU driver's operations to ONE extra load per trip. Any more than that and they are classed as operating in the UK and need to register as such, paying UK tax and contributions.
That's why they're not coming now.

So. If all the EU drivers are not coming to the UK anymore, like they used to, pre-brexit, they must be operating within the EU.

Which begs the question - why is the EU suddenly short of drivers?


Whups thinks they make more money in the EU, which is, of course, bollox. UK operations will pay in Libre (£). Exchanged to Euros means higher pay.

EU drivers like operating over here. The UK government have stopped them. Brexit Rules!

Correct Tonker!

Up to January 1997 a lorry up to 7.5 tons could be driven by a car licence holder. EU legislators changed the rules and classified lorries up to 7.5 tons as HGVs.
For people who passed their tests before 1 January 1997, there is no requirement to add a further entitlement to their licence. They are automatically allowed to drive vehicles up to 7.5 tonnes without having to take any more tests.
C1 entitlement, which is required for these vehicles, will already be included on their licence as they have grandfather rights. They might also have C1 + E entitlement, which means they can also have a drawbar trailer weighing up to 750kg, as well as driving the 7.5-tonne vehicle.
The net result more demand for HGV drivers without increasing the amount of freight carried. One of the root causes of today’s shortages.

Eh.?
That just doesn't make any sense whatsoever, Gaffer!

i can say that when i was in holland they were on 3 times wot we was on then .

Whupsy

Shell plans to move headquarters to the UK

"Royal Dutch Shell has announced a plan to move its headquarters to the UK as part of proposals to simplify the company's structure"

I know they say that they are moving to the UK for operational reasons, but there is something they are not saying, and it is something to do with that EU

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59288593

for wot 1stroke when there,s no drivers to shunt their petrol around . it,s wot you voted for .

Yoo can doo better than that Whuspy

Close to 400,000 professional drivers have completed their CPC training. Only 5% are female. Could the answer to the shortage be to get more female drivers?

i dont need too 1stroke as yoo are doin it for me . get used to it because it,s wot yoo voted for .

Gaffer .....

Situations Vacant -

Fulchester Transport Services ltd. are looking for new female HGV drivers to supplement their ‘women’s team’.
Left wing, boot faced, baggy arsed tuppence lickers with short hair and no sense of humour are particularly encouraged to apply.
We are an equal opportunities employer.

Whupsy

Why don't you argue proper, instead of just making silly remarks.

gaffer

I suppose that up until recent times you had to have physical strength to drive a wagon, so that would have put women at a disadvantage.

Tonker

So yoo would say that women lorry drivers fit a certain stereotype.

TTS.

Regarding Shell...

Royal Dutch Shell has announced a plan to move its HEADQUARTERS to the UK.

"The oil giant will ask shareholders to vote on shifting its tax residence from the Netherlands to the UK"

8 Jobs relocating to the UK.

Earlier this year, a court in the Netherlands ruled that by 2030 Shell must cut its CO2 emissions by 45% compared to 2019 levels. The decision only applies in the Netherlands

redtop

I did say that it is was for operational reasons, but I do think that it is something about which they are not saying, and it is something to do with the EU.

TTS,
We had a woman driving our low loader in Belfast back in 1996. She moved lots of heavy machinery everyday on narrow Irish country lanes and did a great job.

broady

Was she like the ones Tonker described

Couldn’t be more different. Used to come to the pub for a couple of drinks after work on a Saturday. Great jockey.

yoo started it 1stroke .

"Saxavord Spaceport"

Britain is to become a Spacepower, we will be launching spacecraft from the Shetland Islands



LINK

i think there,s a spacecraft floating round your head 1stroke .

More good news LINK

it must be on fantasy island .

meanwhile, back in the real world.....

Ena

Is Brexit the cause of the Quarter on Quarter fluctuations ?

Is Brexit the cause of the impending recession ?

Will Brexit make the impending recession any better or worse, than it would have been in an identical scenario, without Brexit having taken place, i.e. there had been Covid and the Ukraine war, but the Brexit debate and referendum, had never happened, and in such a scenario, we would still have been in the EU ?

Just some information on what is actually happening, Mr Pangloss.

you,ll use any & all excuses for brexit 1stroke . now tell us are we any BETTER OFF .

Very, very extremely worrying times if you have any investments for retirement, rainy day etc.
The value of a lot of peoples ( mine included ) portfolios are going down at a rapid rate of knots.
Very concerning times indeed. And it isn't showing any imminent signs of recovery

Stop making excuses for Brexit Tommy,it is a disaster for this country, overseen by incompetents of grade one level.

Poppycock !!!!

Tommy,your usual level of incoherent reply!!

Fossil

Look, we can all praise or blame Brexit, by twisting it round to whichever thing suits yours or even my point of view.

One of the main plus points in overseas, and home grown companies investing in the UK, is that they only have one organisation to deal with now, which is the British government, before Brexit, the British government could agree to a factory being built here, but EU regulations, laws and policies, may then stop that factory being built, that shouldn't happen now

more hogwash from farrage,s super supporter . wots happening now is that the torys are flogging off anything that,s left to flog . home grown companies , your having a laugh . but it,s wot yoo voted for .

I tell thi wot Whupsy, when God was doling out brains for you and your lot, yoo must have been on the petty, because you missed out on getting yours

A couple of months ago Germany had its first monthly trade deficit for 31 years.

I don't blame brexit I blame the tories incompetent handling of it,still the rich won't catch any harm

really 1stroke as it was,nt me who was conned by farrage & sent us down this road . we arnt any better off in fact were worse off than before & it,s fools like you who sent us down this road . i would,nt be calling anyone who is as gullible as you . your brain went down the petty a long time ago . that,s why you were a taxi driver.

Being a taxi driver is better than not working for a living which appears to be the norm for many in our country today.

Cap Fit!

handsomemine

By rich, are you including everybody or just the rich Tories?

The days of it just being the upper class Tories have gone as Tony Blair will testify!

Anybody with an ounce of common sense solutions I meant all wealthy people who by the way the Tories make wealthier at the expense of the have nots

Brexit as not had a fair chance, for the past 2.5 years most if not all of the World as been in a mess, and still is, with no sign of it getting better.

EU

So the EU is screwed

Are we has screwed as the EU ?

If we were still in the EU, then we would all be screwed 'together' with the rest of the EU

So if we are going to be 'screwed', then surely it is better to be screwed on our own, so that we can have some control the screwing, and we can attempt to extricate ourselves from being screwed, or to put it simply, becoming 'unscrewed' I mean the EU acting has a whole, might be able to unscrew themselves better than we can do on our own, and I suppose in that regard, only time will tell

any excuse 1stroke.more dodgy so called facts from u know who.

Poppycock !!!!

hogwash.

Whups, there was a vote, you lost, we won, end off, it will be ok, when things are back to normal.

I cannot understand why the pitmen think we should have stopped in'th Hee Yoo ?

because it was better for us . you on the other hand voted on purely a biggoted agenda just like your hero farrage who dumped people like you the 1st chance he got .

Oh, I think you can probably assume that when the recession bites, our politicians will take action, and they will choose to follow a course that will make things even worse for the vast bulk of our citizenry.

After all, that is what they have done in the past!

Ena ,spot on!!!

Presumably that is politicians of all parties!!! Unlike some countries you are given the right to vote out the Government of the day. Do you highly knowledgeable gents see a change of Government next time around?

broady

God help us if there is as the Tories are bad enough!

so tory policies have improved your life eh todger . all this mess is a direct result of privitisation by thatcher . how good has it been for you ? . when you realise that torys dont care about anything public which includes the general public then you,ll wake up .

Whupsy

Well we will have to see what Kier Starmer is going too doo, if elected LINK

It would be difficult to get worse than, Blair, Brown, and the idiot Corbyn.

i hope your all keeping your eye on the pound on the international money markets

I certainly am because my UK pensions have dipped 13%. At least the ale is the same price.

Broady over here UK pension have dipped 30% and in Spain 15%

pie in the sky again 1stroke . hypothetical rubbish yet again . who,s in power now & making the decisions ? .

Whups

Where have I ever said that Thatcher improved my life.

I have said that that the polices of Thatcher are in many ways responsible for the mess the country is in today, but the other lot are no different where making a mess is concerned.

They are all the same now!

“I have said that that the polices of Thatcher are in many ways responsible for the mess the country is in today”

Now that we are talking again Todge can I ask you to explain in detail your perceived correlation between Tory policy of the day and say….. the failure of Brexit, the recent dramatic rise in interest rates and the highest employment rates in recent times.

No idea myself but I always like listening to an expert

where did i say that you ever did ? .you seem to assume that things would be worse under a labour party than a tory party . can you explain that 1? .

When I was young, a commonly heard term was "Crypto-communist": someone who did not own the label, ie did not admit to so being, but nevertheless always chose to advance their argument/agenda.

(I guess one step up from 'a fellow traveller'.)

Today, it seems we have the equivalent: a Crypto Alt-Right'.
ie someone who does not wish to be identified as neo Nazi or neo Fascist, and true enough, in most cases they are NOT members of any such party. Just firm adherents of their policies.

Ena

Can someone not just have their opinion about things, without being labelled as this or that ?

Of course they can.

But when it quacks like a duck.........

It's a duck

that sounds like yoo 1stroke . did,nt you try & con people to vote for ukip & farrage ? .

Whupsy

Yoo can say what you like, but if those mines hadn't closed down, and as time went on, so you had your different EU treaties, the Maastricht and Lisbon Treaties, but by about the late 1990s, so it would have been Labour who were in power, the NCB would have quite legally been employing Polish coal miners, on contracts paying about half of the going and negotiated NUM rate, and to which there would have been droves of Polish coal miners queueing up to work in British pits, because quite simply, if they were being paid half of the British miner's rate, then that would have been double what they would have been getting in Poland, so what would yoo have thought about Brexit then Whupsie ?

Peter Israel

Sterling has been in decline against major currencies since the end of WW2. It was mainly about debt then but these days it’s the unfunded liabilities of public sector pensions and debt. With debt the government can use devaluation to reduce the cost of debt. Public sector unfunded pensions are a contractual obligation which makes them inflation proof. Eventually they will need to be reformed.
Over the last 10 years the public sector pension liabilities have gone from £1 to £2.6 trillion. Total UK debt and liabilities are now £4.9 trillion.
Currency was one of the reasons I voted to leave the EU. I could foresee the day when EU members would have to accept the Euro which would leave the UK without a devaluation mechanism . It would be a rerun of the Exchange Rate Mechanism fiasco of September 1992 when the UK had to leave because Sterling was due to breach the lower limit of the ERM.

"Sterling has been in decline against major currencies since the end of WW2. ....... With debt the government can use devaluation to reduce the cost of debt."

Surely, devaluation of sterling, against any given currency, would 'increase' the cost of any debt to that currency?

More drivel from 1 stroke

Tommy Two Stroke


You should know by now that any political opinion has to be in line with the Daily Mirror reading Wigan sheep!

your opinion is no diffrent is it .if those mines had still been open we would,nt be in this state now . we.d have plenty cheap energy .

True

Mind yoo, I don't know how 'cheap' it would be, because it would cost a fortune to pay your men, to dig it out of ground

Seriously though, it is looking like that mine in Cumbria is going to be approved in November, and that could be the start of more coal mines being opened

i worked 10 feet from the coal face & i never took home more than £ 90 a week .

Yes Whupsy, but that was in 1924

Why don't you have a go one stroke

Handsomeminer

I think I am too old now, and in any case I wouldn't fit down't pit

that was in 1989 1stroke.

Bloody hell whups you have educated me there, I always thought the pit men were well paid! That’s bloody scandalous for the risks you took.

The Pit was the only place I know of, were the shift was 7.25 hours long, and a lot started over an hour before their shift and finished up to 1,5 hours after their shift , and no extra pay.

Well you should have all gone on strike for more money.

World coal reserves currently stand at a little over 1,000Billion tons, though we are currently discovering coal faster than we are using it. (about 1.4 Centuries at current usage)

World oil reserves are 1.65 trillion barrels. (about 47 years at current usage)

There is of course variation in the estimates/calculations/dates data collected etc

There is also the unknown factor of technology advances changing the picture. eg will some resources currently classified as unrecoverable become recoverable.

Extrapolation of further expected discovery, and usage departing from historical trends also will impact upon estimates.


An estimate from Stanford University is, that the world's oil reserves will run out by 2052, natural gas by 2060 and coal by 2090. The U.S. Energy Information Association said in 2019 that the United States has enough natural gas to last 84 years.

So I think we are going to need coal, not so much to burn as fuel, but to obtain feedstock to supply the world's chemical manufacturing: a role it had previously occupied until displaced by oil.

I guess that deep sources in future will be recovered by drilling rather than traditional mines. (Remember the steerable large diameter drill used to rescue the Chilean miners.)

Underground gasification has been discussed since 1960.
Now that industry likes its coal in powder form, that too will favour robotic mining.

Granted we will have to stop dumping carbon into our atmosphere, but will coal still have a part to play? Maybe not in UK, perhaps by then we will have completely deindustrialised.

Anybody starting over an hour earlier or finishing an hour later would be paid for the extra hours.

It was called "dooin'th'our"!

A standard day shift started at 7am and finished at 2:15pm.

Whups

Who do you think your kidding as I had three Uncles working at the Brackley, Mosley Common, Parsonage pits prior to the 1984 strike who were earning far more than what many today are earning!

Owd Codger

Is he telling Porky Pies

Whupsy,,,, yoo Swine yoo

i can prove it . just ask handsome miner who worked at the same pit as me & the bonus scheme they had there . todger if you worked there you would.nt be calling anyone a liar also sammys on another blog worked with me ask him too . 1stroke if i were you i,d not be calling anyone a liar until you know the facts. the typists at anderton house were getting £25 in bonus while we at golborne were on a tenner . the face men made all the money at golborne & we got nowt & had to put up with 50% of a pit bonus while typists were on 100% area bonus

One stroke I worked with whips in c9 return and the money we earned was what whups says only started to earn good money when I went to do my face training the haulage was very poorly paid at golborne because the face men arranged there own bonus

Whupsy

Ok then, I belive yoo, I apologise for not saying, but thinking that you might, have been telling Pork Pies

On about Anderton House, I was in Leigh on Monday, and I came back a daft way, past where Anderton House was, I had not been on that road in years, all new residential property there now, but it has been like that for a while now.

It struck me on Monday, as to how much better Leigh Town Centre is, when compared to Wigan Town Centre

maybe so but i,m no liar & that todger who has never been near a pit shud take a leaf out of your book .

In 1981 I was on a Pipeline in Consett and from memory the minimum bonus was £1 an hour. Everyone worked around 70 hours a week. I think the Dozer operators were on £2 an hour.

We are short of all kinds of workers because many have found during the pandemic, they are as well off living on todays benefit system with all its perks than doing a boring minimum wage job on a conveyor line, sewing factory or bending their backs in a farmer's field.

Nothing to do with Brexit, but people simply not wanting to work for a living like they used to be when the benefit system was nothing like it is today!

Whups

My dad's side of the family as well as my Wife's all worked in the mining industry and from what I remember, the most poorly paid were those like my Father who worked on the surface while those who worked underground, especially on the coal face earned far more.

You have never stated the time that you and your colleagues worked in the mining industry, what jobs you did and what the average national wage was when you were only earning £90 per week.

As for for the comment that I had never been near a pit, it may interest to know that sometimes during my school holiday's, I used to ride on my Dad's engine all over the Lancashire Coalfield to collect wagons from the various pits to Linneyshaw Moss for onward transit to Kearsley Power Station.

Owd 'Un - don't feel inferior just because you've never been down a pit. I know an orthopedic specialist who's never been down a pit in her life.
I, myself, have never rode on an engine all over the Lancashire Coalfield. Neither have I any idea about orthopedic specialism! However, I have worked at a colliery for twelve years and have been down a pit. Numerous pits, in fact.
I can second what Whups says about miner's wages. Most were poorly paid.

Here's a couple of examples - My last wage, in 1986, was £87.60. That was for a full week, on the surface. My Dad's last wage , in 1985, was over £800. You see the difference? He's done seven x 16 hour shifts, in the shaft, as part of the shaft team, changing the guide ropes what the cage slid down. I'd done nothing!

Why is there so much hostility on WW to ex miners?

Who exactly is hostile to the miners on WW ?

It’s not exactly ‘hostility’. It’s just that people believe the tales told, face value, without question, and they take the hump if anybody tries to correct them.
Yes, some people who worked in the mining industry earned a lot of money. But they didn’t get it for nowt. My dad earned a lot of money because they got a lot from him.
I earned very little and they got very little from me in return. But, the truth of the matter is, miners were well behind most other industries in the wages stakes. Then, they were frauded with their redundancy payments and now they’re being frauded with compensation claims.
And every man and his dog are helping themselves to their pension fund!

I’m on my I-phone, that’s why it’s posted twice!

tonker,

First of all, I only mentioned about riding on my dad's train because of Whups making the comment about me having never been near a pit.

Secondly, If you were only getting £87.60 in 1989 as you claim, surely it was to get out and get a better paid job elsewhere as at that time, my wage working in the engineering industry was nearly double that amount.

why shud anyone have to leave their job ? . the country was,nt exactly overflowing with jobs or have you forgot the miners ,steelworkers & those in manufacturing who thatcher put on the dole ? .we arnt claiming anything that,s untrue we are claiming it as a FACT . now having heard from 3 diffrent sources how much more proof do you need todger ? .i stick to wot iv,e said "you,ve never been near a pit " .

Who were classed as 'face workers'? Was it only those who cut the coal, or where a wider group of activities included in the classification?

I remember watching the two men (only one of them at the controls) operate the Anderton Shearer Loader on the Trencherbone seam at Golborne. I guess it was more demanding that quite a few other roles would be, and operating that thing accurately amongst all the noise dust and vibration can't have been easy. Nevertheless, there must have been a huge range of adversity pertaining to the many varied roles which had to be performed.

Old Codswallop, I was getting that wage in 1986, not 1989. However, it was a lot less than others were getting in other state-owned utility industries.
You say you got twice that amount, and I'm not surprised, really.
At that time, I was making money elsewhere, so my wage didn't really matter and I seldom did a full week there. Me and the pit didn't get on well, as it started too early in a morning and I'd only just gone to bed!

Posted by: Owd Codger
"As for for the comment that I had never been near a pit, it may interest to know that sometimes during my school holiday's, I used to ride on my Dad's engine all over the Lancashire Coalfield to collect wagons from the various pits to Linneyshaw Moss for onward transit to Kearsley Power Station."

So you had a ride on your your dads train in your school holidays all over the Lancashire Coalfields. Does that make you a Pitman?

Whupsy

"you,ve never been near a pit "

I have been near a pit, it was Bickershaw Pit Yard, and we in there in the pitch black, doing wheelies on the motorbikes, I broke me finger

so wot.

Whupsy

AND, in 1980 when I was delivering to shops in the Leigh area, I would park me van up near Parsonage Colliery, and have me dinner whilst watching the pit head gear winding away

Cheshire Cat

What make you think you are a Cheshire Cat and not a common Tabby?

Owd Codpiece - He can be the Cheshire Cat and you can be Alice in Wiganland !

Wonker

And be a Walter Mitty like yourself?

that just about sums you up 1stroke.

Whupsy

Yoo are always having a go at me

It's because your a gobsh*'te onestroke

Thank Yoo

quite right colin.

Brian Dave Austin's back living over here

where abouts colin . why has he come back ? .

In Hindley green with his son at moment till they find something he just retired and kids n grandkids have been back a while

i wonder why he came back after all that time in S A ?

Whups

Your friend has probably returned from South Africa because of the worsening security situation particularly in the north of the country.
Corruption and poverty are leading to a powder keg situation which could explode into mass violence at any time.
I get a regular update from my sister who has lived in Cape Town since the mid sixties.

a bit like here.

I visited Cape Town a few years ago and didn’t feel safe at all, even walking round the touristy places, I wasn’t visiting alone. Many of the properties had warning notices advising quick response security would arrive if needed. Also the number of properties seen with electrified fencing was concerning.
On the other hand I visited San Francisco alone without worry around the touristy districts.

Anne

You need to visit some of our big cities when it is dark.

Like rats coming out of the sewers, as my Wife and I experienced while staying at a hotel in the Earls Court area of London.

Gaffer,

A powder keg situation which could also occur in our country in the future with so many people of different ethnic races who have fled here as a result of hating each other in their own countries.

i wonder who,s stoking the fire for that ? .

"'Shame for Rejoiners' - 'NO predictions came out right' with exports to EU at record high"

LINK

OC.It’s not too long ago I saw rats scuttling about in front Galloways in Wigan one morning.

Tommy the source of your info Mr Longworth and the DE ,not very neutral are they

I wouldn't know, I am not an Oxford educated professor

but you,ll use anything to try & prove your right . it,s not been all that good since we left as it 1stroke .

I,d never of guessed that one stroke

really colin he,s got a signed picture of farrage on his wall .

Goebbels would have been proud of Farrage .
Bullshitter of the century..

Are yoo all bored .....

your not it seems .

Led by Donkeys

Fossil

Before yoo start I will hold my hand up and admit that I am not an Oxford educated anything, but if we had not left the EU, it had not happened, would things have been better in this country now and in the world, with Britain still in the EU ?

I am thinking of the

Covid response ?
Leading the world in supporting Ukraine ?
The AUKUS treaty ?
Firms relocating to Britain to avoid EU bureaucracy ?

The list is endless

tts ,a simple answer ....YES and we have gone backwards as the video shows.
Even the architects of brexit seem to agree!

Fossil

It is just the old Remainer v Leaver crap.

You believe what you want to believe, and I will believe the truth, but as I have said before, I am going to give it five years, and then see where we are up to