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What terms to suggest someone is a dafty are permissible?

Seriously, the word cretin, is a truly offensive term as it relates to a medical condition.

What would be classed as 'safe' on here?

Notreet

Wazzock

Crackpot


Over to the PC brigade.

Banjo twanger

Can we say/type banjo twanger, bowt causing bother?

Dafty will do for me.

Wa.... No best not.

Medical condition you type?...Best seek a specialists advice. Maybe get a FREE CAR out of it!...Hmmm.

A slate missing
Tapped
One short of a six pack
Radio Rental
Three sheets to the wind
came over on the onion boat
Daft as a brush
Thick as pig s#@t

Onion boat?

There's been a discussion about that before, Franky.

Google time.

As you well know dostaf my favorite is Wazzock

Here

No wonder I remembered it.

I think the onion boats came from Ireland dostaf

See my link above, Franky. ^^^^^

Dimmer than a Toc H lamp.

I heard Roy Walker on the radio the other day, doing something about the 40th anniversary of The Comedians.

Interviewer asked about the aparrent racism in the jokes, particularly the Irish ones.

Roy explained that at the time that was the norm, but people, including himself, went on to change the slant so as not to be, or appear to be racist.

In his case, he said he introduced his thick brother-in-law character who he named Hugh.

Laterly to become known as Shughie.

I just thought at the time that Shughie was just another Irish mon, like Pat and Mick.

I know a Shuggie, or used to do.

Not posted for a goodly, Or has he?

Different pronunciation, Mester.

Roys mon was pronounced Shoe-ie.

Them Jock Shuggies rhyme with huggies.

Can you get tartan nappies?

thick as black smoke,
If that mon was any thicker, he'd set
sandwich short of a picnic
leets on but there's nobody wom
bungalow (nowt upstairs)

banjo twanger might offend our resident banjo picker, granada, who picks banjer with billy and the temprermentals

"Can you get tartan nappies?"

Away 'n' raffle yersel!

'thick as black smoke'

Can he say/type that in these turbulent PC times?

All those you listed are racist, and discriminatory.

Thick as a Gurkhas foreskin.

Thick as a dockers wallet.

Thick as a dockers butty.

Dolt

Dullard

Cletus!

I'll race you to it.

PMSL

Particularly at Franky and Lapiz.

Slack-jawed is another. As in Cletus The Slack Jawed Yokel off the Simpson's.

That was my cletus reference, VG.

I thought it might be Mac.

No, not Mac. The chap off the Simpsons.

Mac's a racist thug, but not slack jawed.

What's wrong with the good old fashioned Imbecile?...
(Be along shortly, I suspect).

You both knew what I meant.

Imbecile is a medical term.

Yep (Yup-Yip)

Gordon Is A Moron. (Song by John Shuttleworth )

Would that be allowed today?

I daresay the current Government would sanction it as ok.

I'm begining to wonder if we are about to see, or are seeing a sort of exchange between aceptable terms.

Anatomical references would once have been taboo, whereas medical insults were the norm.

I'm not falling for that.

I'm being serious.

At one time you'd hear people being called things linked directly to illness, but any reference to a dangly bit would be classed as outrageous.

Now it appears vise versa.

I had hoped for a guest speaker/typer.

But hey ho!

Here's a coincidence:

Jonathan Dimbleby, a fellow presenter, described Mr Schofield’s behaviour as “cretinous”.

Here

I agree wholeheartedly with Dimbleby's comments.

Schofield's stunt was for max effect and to further his own ends.

Cameron was equally wrong however, as regards his comments about being witch-hunted for being gay.

The abuse that took place in the Children's Care Homes in Wales is nothing to do with homosexuality - it is sickening paedophilia plain and simple and there needs to be a full and further inquiry.

Cretinism

Backward you lot!

I knew what it meant.

Perhaps more respected broadcasters are allowed to get away with such things.

If Schofield had called anyone's actions cretinous - I doubt he would have got away with it.

"Banjo twanger"

"Can we say/type banjo twanger, bowt causing bother"?
Is that comment aimed at me dostaf?

Thanks tomplumb

No, Granada. If you click the link included in that post, you'll see it was a reference to a film.

I know that dostaf. I clicked the link prior to replying to your post What I can't understand is why would you think/ saying/typing banjo twanger would cause bother
I'm not offended

My dad used to say "yon mon's as thick as a Tockhole's butty"

Tockholes being a small village somewhere beyond Chorley.

Where this saying originated I dont know.

Gas

Similarly my father would say "Tharrers thick as a green bank butty". Not to me of course.

Granada:

I'm trying hard to do an impression (in writing) of what you/we are all familiar with.

Bear with me.

You know the situation when somebody points and nods at someone (usually out of earshot, or behind their back), then does a strumming mime, acompanied with a wink, and 'says'

♪♫♪♫♪"Dinky dink, dink-dink"♪♫♪♫♪ ?

Well, that's saying someone is a 'banjo twanger'.

Suggesting that they are not all there.

I should copyright that description.

If anyone else can write it beter, please do.


PS I don't really know if that lad in 'Southern Comfort' was all there, or not.

when I worked at Walmsleys, me and a lad were known as Daftyed and Blownum. Never figured out who was which though.

Thick has two short planks
numpty
text book engineer
gaga

puddlt

crateggs

daft as a brush

I like being as daft as a brush on WW, Kathp - me on my pc - it helps keep me sane.

But, Kath, where does 'puddlt' come from?

I've been thinking more about my description of making a banjo noise to imply someone is not a full shilling. As I mentioned, usually behind their back as it were and mainly in a light-hearted manner.

Here's a thing; whats the reason behind doing a winding motion with the index finger at the side of the head to imply the same?

Does it relate to trepanning. where holes were made in the skull?

I think in some countries they use a fly-catching gesture to imply the same.

Does it relate to people being termed round the bend/twist - possible origins?

Took a bit of googliing.

Tried 'loose screw gesture' and found this:

Cuckoo sign, touched or screw loose. In North America, making a circling motion of the index finger at the ear or side of the head signifies that the person "has a screw loose," i.e. is speaking nonsense or is crazy]

WIKI not linked, as page contains rude words.

Asylum v asylum

Nice find, Jo Anne.

I hope the rope doings on the Spring View and Standish welcome signs have no siimilar ropey connotations.

Tapped

That's another. I wonder if that relates to trepanning.

If so, tapped would suggest a release of fluid or pressure, thus meaning the person would have returned to normal.

I know this is a light-hearted thread, Dostaf, but anyhow ... a serious question:

Anti-stigma Campaigns - Are they working?

'The Institute of Psychiatry is carrying out regular surveys of people with mental health problems to find out if Time to Change is having an effect on their lives. The team is also monitoring and analysing the way mental illness is portrayed in the media.'

www.time-to-change.org.uk

I've been trying to find info about the imaginary fly thing, Jo Anne.

Not a lot doing, except issues with dogs.

On reading your link, I'm glad the gesture, even if done in a light-hearted way is not prominent in our culture.

People who have experienced psychosis may also feel discriminated against because of mental health law, which allows compulsory treatment. Side effects of antipsychotic medication – such as involuntary movements – may also make them feel set apart and seen as ‘different’.

The Joey Deacon thing has just come to mind.

Way back when, in an attemt to educate the young people, Blue Peter featured a disabled man called Joey Deacon.

This, unfortunately led to a new term of abuse entering the vocabulary.

Blue Peter and cultural impact

In 1981, the last year of his life, Joey Deacon was featured on the children's magazine programme Blue Peter for the International Year of the Disabled. He was presented as an example of a man who achieved a lot in spite of his disabilities. Despite the sensitive way in which Blue Peter covered his life, the impact was not as intended. The sights and sounds of Deacon's distinctive speech and movements had a lasting impact on young viewers, who quickly learnt to imitate them. His name and mannerisms quickly became a label of ridicule in school playgrounds across the country


Wiki

Thanks, Dostaf - I wasn't aware of that. Children, indeed people, can be cruel and some aspects of campaigns can prove to be counterproductive.

However, I think many issues surrounding mental health are still misunderstood and sometimes regarded as a taboo subject and campaigns might help to address this problem.

'1 in 4 people will experience a mental health problem in any given year.

Often the fact that it’s difficult to talk about mental health problems can be one of the hardest parts of having a mental illness. It can lead to the loss of friendships, feeling isolated, not seeking help and slower recovery. '

I agree with the points you highlighted in purple 16:51 - those concerns may be arguably necessary evils at present. Hopefully good advances will be made in the field of mental health - it still seems to be in its infancy to me.

I've frequently heard comments from people wishing they could swap their particular problems for ones more visible and easier to understand and sympathise with. eg a leg in plaster.

I think the humourous side of things can be a double edged sword.

Putting a brave face on things? Trying to laugh it off? Avoidance?

On the other hand; there's also a posssibility that being over sensitive to 'harmless' comments/descriptions could have a negative effect.

In the sense that getting too PC about it could do more harm than good.

A fine line.

There was a great TV campaign a while back featuring a bloke who had returned to work following a bout of illness. The emphasis was advising folk not to fear treading on eggshells, but to just accept the person.

I do remember those adverts, Dostaf.

I think they may be featured on the www.time-to-change.org.uk website. Youtube

There's lots of information on the site.

That's the one, Jo Anne. (Youtube)

Now, back to topic - soft melt!

It's a trait of mine

I once described a young un with mental health problems as a daft sod/git (to his face) in fun.

For a moment my heart stopped and I thought "What have I just done?"

Then I realised:

I'd treated him the same as I would anyone else I was having a bit of banter with.

It's probably better to be insulted in jest than feel people are trying to tread on egg shells around you.

I'm struggling with Crate Egg (as mentioned by Kath).

One I'm well familiar with.

Best I can find is that reliable source Jo Anne uses from time to time.


Crate Egg



Old fashioned Barnsley/general yorkshire term for (Comment removed because it broke the rules). more often used whilst driving...

"gerront right side ut rowd yer crate egg"
*taps temple with forefinger in angry fashion in rearview mirror for 'crate egg' to see*

Barm pot!

(I like that one as one of my secondary school teachers used to use it and he was a brilliant character.)

Never mind that: what's a crate egg?

He/ Her , is as daft as a Gas mons mac.or a Werriton Bobby,

Never mind that - perhaps egg crates may be more useful to you, Dostaf - for practising insults without people thinking you're cracking up.

There's controversial

I thought it was 'as far as a Gasmon's mac'.

Not heard those, Bentlegs. Not familiar with many of these sayings in fact. Sorry, Dostaf - I shouldn't egg you on.

Posted by: mollie m (5957)

There's a saying: "thar'as fow as a gasmon's mac" when referring to someone not very good looking!

Here

Well dostaf, its a long time since i heard my mother come out with it,so you could be reet,

Who knows.

I wonder how widespread such terms are, Bentlegs.

I'm sure a Wigan one is 'eggwapp'.

I often think of this when reading correspondence on here from t'other side of Bickershaw.

And if he's all theer, I don't want to be.

this thread needs merging with the next thread down

Notreet!

Go on, I know I shouldn't, but:

Which thread would that have been at the time of typing, Mache?

bus mon the doctor's on

That's even on a different board you daft sod!

'Politics'

"When dealing with the insane, the best method is to pretend to be sane.” ― Hermann Hesse

That and some other good quips - here.

Bus mon

Which reminds me is it barmey or barmet

So joining the party was judged not to be a busmon's folly-day?

“There is, incidentally, no way of talking about cats that enables one to come off as a sane person.”
― Dan Greenberg

Take note, Mache.

What about listening to talking dogs? Barmey/barmet

Am I barking mad?

Talking about cats the bugger nearly dropped a mouse in me beer last night

Build it and they will come.

Incidentally; the thread beneath this at the time of Mache's 19:42 was the Bill Tarmey one.

Confession time.

A phrase sometimes used on here by yours truly, was actually one of Jack Duckworth's.


'Every egg a bird'

Or, in other words, a prize every time.