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 Photo-a-Day      (Friday, 6th January, 2017) Views: 2,061 
Farmland
 Farmland   by David  (Canon SX240)
Farmland, New Springs - GMSF want to build 1050 houses here.

Comment by Mick on 6th January 2017 at 06:57
It will be a nice spot to live when the houses are eventually built


Comment by Garry on 6th January 2017 at 08:27
Now that's a lovely photo, David.
Not be long before Lambing season.
We would have enough houses in this Country if the government sorted out the migrant situation.
I have to be careful what I'm saying, but you understand where I'm coming from.
Families in this Country used to have six to ten kids years ago, now the average family is just two
or three. So all those houses built for big families years ago, where have they gone.


Comment by Alan on 6th January 2017 at 08:44
Make all those junk food outlets ie bergers-kababs, pizza, spicy, garlic
junkie foods in to houses.Maybe then we'll have plenty of land.


Comment by Den s on 6th January 2017 at 09:18
Mick, from this spot there is only one road into Wigan and that road is packed every morning with people trying to get to work.How nice will it be living there when you have another 1,000 or so cars trying to join an already blocked road.


Comment by Garry on 6th January 2017 at 10:43
Good point, Den s.


Comment by John Morris on 6th January 2017 at 11:15
Den 1050 houses potentially could mean 2000 cars!, and Mick, how nice a place will this be to live when these fields are covered in houses. Garry we do need to sort out the migrant problem, as the Archbishop of Canterbury said, "It's not race it's space."


Comment by John Harrison on 6th January 2017 at 11:56
It won't be long before there is no vacant land left. In a few years time there will be plenty of houses but no one can afford to buy. No jobs, plenty of jobs for 10 or 20 hours a week, or zero contract hours.


Comment by Prue on 6th January 2017 at 12:16
It's not all about immigrants. As a population we are living longer and people need houses to live in. Our children, grandchildren and great grandchildren all need homes too.


Comment by . Ozymandias . on 6th January 2017 at 12:37
Euthanasia for anyone over 50 is the answer.......What was the question again ?


Comment by Helen of Troy on 6th January 2017 at 14:04
No one has mentioned building on brownfield sites, all this building on greenbelt makes a mockery of the word greenbelt, its being swallowed up at an alarming rate.
I understand builders dont like constructing on brownfield sites but they should be made to use them when possible.


Comment by Den s on 6th January 2017 at 14:13
Ozymandias, The NHS are already doing that but they don't call it Euthanasia.


Comment by Garry on 6th January 2017 at 14:15
Prue, I take your point, but in my opinion I'm right.


Comment by Mick on 6th January 2017 at 14:20
You stick in the mud's will just have to get used to it, all these little pockets of spare land will eventually be built on and yes the roads will get busier maybe as busy as around Manchester so thats another thing you will have to get used to.


Comment by Den s on 6th January 2017 at 14:24
Helen of Troy, this was a brownfield site.This is land that was reclaimed after the area was Opencast Mined in the 1980s. It seems such a shame to rip it all up again.


Comment by Mavis on 6th January 2017 at 14:26
I think that these houses that are being built are for 1st time buyers over 23 yrs age and being helped from the government with reduced deposits, its a shame they are taking away these fields and it will be a nightmare going up whelley in a morning and as there are 2 primary schools in the area hope extra patrols have been thought about. David it a lovely picture very fresh..


Comment by Alan H on 6th January 2017 at 14:30
This is already happening in Standish. 1550 houses under construction or planned and the developers a re like Oliver Twist, please sir I want more.


Comment by . Ozymandias . on 6th January 2017 at 15:22
The use of the word ' farmland ' may be a tad bit misleading in this particular instance actually Helen. Although the land depicted is evidently suitable for grazing sheep or cattle, I doubt it would be of very little use for agricultural purposes as 20 odd or 30 years ago, this field was part of the Alexander opencast site, and that being the case, I suspect the topsoil would be virtually useless for cultivating crops. That's not to say that I would personally condone the building of houses on it.

Regards. Ozy.


Comment by Den s on 6th January 2017 at 16:25
Have you ever tried riding your bike around Manchester Mick? Or are you not that suicidal?


Comment by Mick on 6th January 2017 at 16:31
Yes I have Den and Ive also rode one around London,Liverpool, Singapore and Shanghai as well.


Comment by Vb on 6th January 2017 at 16:43
Dont think Mick will bother about the crowded roads Den -he can just ride round and round and round his favourite place - Haigh Hall- until he's dizzy!!!


Comment by Julie on 6th January 2017 at 17:07
Too right Mick. As regards migration , what migration? It's not started yet in Wigan compared to other northern towns which are now unrecognisable. Wigan has been living in the comfort zone for too long, with many Wiganners pretending that Wigan is like one of the 100s of tiny villages, full of history of immense value , but completely at odds with the real world of multiculturalism that is moving in. Step away from Garry's lovely coal fire and into the cold and true world of reality . Not yet it seems in Wigan..


Comment by Den s on 6th January 2017 at 17:32
Respect to you Mick. Now all you have to do is persuade everyone else to give up their cars and ride a bike and the problem is solved.


Comment by . Ozymandias . on 6th January 2017 at 17:48
Garry, I was the youngest of four kids that were all born and raised in a two up two down terraced house, as were most of the other kids in the area, some from families much larger than mine. Large family therefore doesn't necessarily equate to large house. Nothing wrong with terraced housing in my view. It's cheaper to build, more economical to heat, and requires a fraction of the land . The real problem is people's attitudes. How many people nowadays would choose to live in a terraced house, given the alternative of living in a detached property. The concept of community spirit pretty much died at around about the same time as Buddy Holly did unfortunately.


Comment by Julie on 6th January 2017 at 18:28
Last sentence Ozy..


Comment by Garry on 6th January 2017 at 18:43
Your absolutely right what you say, Ozy. Nowt wrong with Terraced houses, easy to look after, and cosy. Trouble with some folk today the like snobs who can keep up with the Jonese. Some folk like gardening some don't. If their going to build 1050 houses on this field, they can't be all that big, more like a garden shed.


Comment by Garry on 6th January 2017 at 18:52
Julie not started in Wigan yet??
Look how many work for distribution depots in Wigan. Hitching's in Ince to name one. Migrants are everywhere Julie love. x


Comment by Garry on 6th January 2017 at 18:57
And some folk don't know the name of their next door neighbour. People don't yap to each other anymore.


Comment by David on 6th January 2017 at 19:55
If you want to object to the housing development you can do so by emailing your concerns to GMSF@agma.gov.uk

If you have time you could also contact Councillors Conway, Ready and Hilton and MP Lisa Nandy with your concerns.
R.Conway@wigan.gov.uk
C.Ready@wigan.gov.uk
J.Hilton@wigan.gov.uk
lisa.nandy.mp@parliament.uk


Comment by jimmy on 6th January 2017 at 20:32
David when their pockets are
lined its a waste of time .!


Comment by Pat McC on 6th January 2017 at 20:35
There is a train of thought that said that people moving back to live in the city centres would makie these areas more socially acceptable instead of being 'no go ' areas at night. Wouldn't it be marvellous if this idea could be adopted for the 'waste of space' which was once the Galleries. Perhaps these precious green fields could then be saved.


Comment by Vb on 6th January 2017 at 20:44
Community spirit died with the last generation. Those who went through the last war and all the hardship that entailed. Our generation who 'never had it so good' didn't need 'community spirit' we were too busy being materialistic ... Going on foreign holidays, cars, and changing jobs at the drop of a hat! It was easy to get mortgages we wanted the best of everything - working over time to keep ahead of 'the Jones's'.In other words we were different to our elders who didn't have much in the way of wealth but had a great deal in common with each other and that is what bonded them in community spirit.


Comment by . Ozymandias . on 6th January 2017 at 21:55
Garden shed you say Garry? garden shed ? I should be so lucky. Living in a garden shed would be on a par with living at Chatsworth in comparison to the Portaloo on the Rainford bypass where I currently reside.


Comment by Vb on 6th January 2017 at 22:58
No wonder you want to get your feet under Garry's table in front o't fire with that trifle from Tesco's Ozy. You just want be like the "Spy Who Came Out O't Cold!


Comment by Sam h on 7th January 2017 at 01:48
Vb.i agree fully in your last but one comments not having the same family values anymore well said.


Comment by Vb on 7th January 2017 at 09:50
As for the migration problem - the Country can't take anymore and neither can it's people! Hence the Brexit vote.....


Comment by truewigana on 7th January 2017 at 10:08
Without importing " a Foreign Workforce" , Who is going to care for you lot on here in the near future


Comment by Sam h on 7th January 2017 at 10:26
Vb,I couldn't agree with you more.


Comment by Sam h on 7th January 2017 at 10:29
Vb,I couldn't agree with you more.


Comment by David on 7th January 2017 at 13:03
Truewigana, who will care for all the immigrants when they get old, more immigrants? What of the old in the immigrants country of origin, who is going to care for them if we keep taking all of their young workers?
There are lots of unemployed in this country to fill jobs. Some can't do the work because they are not trained. Some won't do the work because of poor pay or working conditions. If we won't do the work because the pay and conditions aren't good enough we shouldn't selfishly be expecting immigrants to do it just because it's better than what they're used to.


Comment by Vb on 7th January 2017 at 14:06
We have always had foreign workers mainly from the Commonwealth Countries who do valuable work. What we do not not need is endless and uncontrolled numbers coming here. Incidentally I worked from 15yrs old to 64 yrs with a four year break and paid in full to my pension!!!!!


Comment by Vb on 7th January 2017 at 15:12
Another thing True Wigana if I end up having to go in a Home for the 'bewildered' it won't be the Foreign Workforce that pays for the care- it will have to be the proceeds from my own home which I have worked hard for to pay off! God forbid.....


Comment by truewigana on 7th January 2017 at 16:07
Not saying whats wrong or right about migration, but without them in the NHS or care homes now and in the near future, who's going to look after the Micks, Garys and Annes of the world, i personally am very grateful to anyone who has or is willing to care for me in sickness and indeed i hope in old age regardless of their nationality, skin colour, religion or culture


Comment by Julie on 7th January 2017 at 18:45
As I said Garry, not started yet in Wigan.
Vb , the Home for the 'bewildered ' as you describe it , is not needed within many enthic groups in the U.K. , as they care for and take in their elderly parts of family as per duty.


Comment by Garry on 7th January 2017 at 18:53
Vb, Julie, Anne and Mavis can look after me, no problem . That should answer your question, truewigana lol.


Comment by Vb on 7th January 2017 at 19:53
There are thousands of immigrants all over the North including Wigan ! We do look after our own families until they get beyond the point that they cannot be looked after - especially in cases of dementia. The Hospitals do have our own people working alongside 'foreign workers' I should know as it was my job also. They do not 'run' the NHS. There is hugh pressure on resources when immigrants and'tourists ' don't pay for treatment as we have to when abroad.


Comment by truewigana on 7th January 2017 at 20:58
Gary maybe those are the only ones insane enough to do that ;)


Comment by Vb on 7th January 2017 at 21:03
Julie don't be under any delusions about the ethnic classes not coming into hospitals because as you say their own families look after them. There are just as many multicultural patients on the wards and in Nursing Homes as anybody else. The very nature of their illnesses need professional care which their families can't give.
I agree to disagree with the points you make.


Comment by Julie on 7th January 2017 at 21:04
Have a sherry for me by your lovely coal fire
Garry. They are trying but don't let them. You are an original. Keep stong Garry x


Comment by Sam.h on 8th January 2017 at 10:42
What puzzles me is we see floods of young men arriving in our country every day ,then on tv they show there women children and elderly relatives left behind in there war torn country,what ever happened to women and children first,perhaps the men are more valuable to take up the low payed degrading jobs on offer in this country


Comment by . Ozymandias . on 8th January 2017 at 12:21
I've changed my mind, euthanasia for any immigrant over the age of 50, and possibly Garry is the answer...only joking mate, you know me.


Comment by Garry on 8th January 2017 at 19:05
Your right Julie, I'm not going to bite. Truewigana's a fool anyway. A roaring coal fire, glass of sherry, two slices of toast done on the fire and Listening to radio three. A perfect cosy night.


Comment by truewigana on 9th January 2017 at 09:03
Gary there is no bigger fool, idiot,obnouxious bigot, racist, and sexist than you old rude fossil, always right, never wrong, gary's world (ince) and knows nowt, i'm here as long as you keep up with your ways, Julie or Gary in drag shhhhh or as Gary would say hush woman and get back in kitchen


Comment by truewigana on 9th January 2017 at 09:06
Garrry YOU ALWAYS BITE, Your gobs to big to keep shhhhh


Comment by Garry on 9th January 2017 at 18:59
Ha ha! I'll just go and stoke up the fire again lol.


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