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 Photo-a-Day      (Friday, 30th October, 2015) Views: 2,501 
Restoration
 Restoration   by Anne  (Leica C Lux 3)
Restoration work on Wigan Parish Church bell.

Comment by Mick on 30th October 2015 at 06:05
Very interesting photo of something that all Wiganers will have heard but never seen.

And the only touching up its had is a fresh coat of red paint.


Comment by Colin Harlow on 30th October 2015 at 07:05
A great piece of steel fabrication work, and a great clear photo.
Well done Anne.


Comment by Aubrey on 30th October 2015 at 07:45
Well done Anne, do you know the wording on the bell?


Comment by Maureen on 30th October 2015 at 08:59
Brilliant photo Anne..however did you get up there?.


Comment by David Barker on 30th October 2015 at 09:21
Aubrey,The inscription on the tenor bell reads/ These eight bells were given to the glory of god by the people of Rainford.
http://rainfordhistory.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/tower_and_bells.htm

Interesting photo Anne,well done.


Comment by Fred Mason on 30th October 2015 at 09:40
Very interesting photo, Anne.

I just watched programme how these bells are cast. They remove some metal in certain places of the bell after casting to give the true tone that it was designed for. Fascinating programme, and well done, Anne. It's certainly something that we never see.


Comment by Anneq on 30th October 2015 at 10:28
Thank you David, something it was impossible to read whilst up there.
Maureen when I put my video on I was asked the very same question. Simple, happen to know someone with the keys to the castle.


Comment by Aubrey on 30th October 2015 at 11:49
Thank You David.


Comment by Jonno on 30th October 2015 at 11:55
I dont agree with you Mick, i know one bell has been out of service for a while, as an engineer i would say that part of the fabrication work is new, the shaft housing is definately new as compared with the one behind it, the pedestal bearing housing looks original but both sides of the fabrication will have been fitted with new bearings and shafts. Maureen, Anne climbed up a lot of uneven steps to get there, unless Otis were around when the tower was built,lol.


Comment by Mick on 30th October 2015 at 12:23
Touching up of the photo Jonno


Comment by Anne on 30th October 2015 at 12:29
Jonno you are quite right about the restored red part. To me it all looked like a complete new casting of the headstock, so no no doubt new bearings etc. will have been used.


Comment by Mick on 30th October 2015 at 13:49
Anne if youv not found out about Bugis St for Cordyline yet, you can tell him it it was redeveloped many years ago.
Its now Bugis Junction shopping centre, Hotel Bugis and a lively night market.
All the billy boys have now relocated to Changi village and Geylang


Comment by Jonno on 30th October 2015 at 14:03
Sorry Mick, misunderstood your comment.


Comment by Anne on 30th October 2015 at 15:07
Not spoken to him yet Mick. He's over there I'm over here.


Comment by Mick on 30th October 2015 at 17:04
Anne Ill be over there visiting the in laws early next year.


Comment by Garry on 30th October 2015 at 17:13
Only the Bush carrier has not been replaced. The rest is new.


Comment by Jonno on 30th October 2015 at 20:40
Garry, stick to what you know, electrics or lorry driving or whatever you did. It would take more than bushes to support the weight and movement of that bell. More than likely, self aligning ball bearings, needing low lubrication or possibly spherical roller bearings.


Comment by Patmccarthy on 30th October 2015 at 23:25
how sad that photo-a-day has been reduced to point-scoring instead of appreciating people's efforts to bring photographs of interest to the forum


Comment by Jonno on 31st October 2015 at 01:24
Sorry Pat, no one is scoring points, just discussing the photo and the engineering side of it.I have already said that Anne had to climb up a lot of uneven steps to take the pic, so it is appreciated. I hope you have noticed there are two people on here talking about Singapore, what's that got to do with Wigan Parish Church?


Comment by David Fairclough on 31st October 2015 at 04:19
I agree Pat


Comment by Jonno on 31st October 2015 at 10:23
With sincere apologies to Anne regarding my last posting, she was only replying to a question about Singapore not discussing it and she did that with a short and courteous reply.


Comment by Garry on 5th November 2015 at 21:00
Jonno, I am more Technical minded than you'll ever be son, and regarding your ignorant remarks, I mean who do you think you are???
Road springs on 30 ton HGV, have bushes and swinging shackles...so don't tell me about the bell is too heavy for bushes. JCBs, Tractors and heavy plant all have bushes on moving parts. You sound a right idiot at times. Bushes get lubricated by felt washers soaked in oil.


Comment by Garry on 8th November 2015 at 14:41
Jonno could be an engineer in Lego.lol


Comment by Jonno on 12th November 2015 at 19:20
Garry,i dont know why i am replying to your last couple of posts, we are spoiling a good uploaded photo. Firstly, dont call me son, that, along with other things you have said is disrespectful, if i was your son you would have to be the best part of 95.I dont give a hoot about, road springs, JCBs, tractors and the like, bells are a different animal. Yes i was an engineer and no i didn't work for Lego (more disrespect) but i did work for a couple of other top Britsh and American companies.How can you say 'I am more technically minded than you'll ever be son', or, 'You sound a right idiot at times', when you dont know me, or my educational and employment background ? I will brag about one thing lad, your command of written English is way behind mine.I wasn't being ignorant in what i said about the jobs you've had, they are your own words.
Album 5th Nov,Ince Post Office, quote, 'When i was a coalman'.
Album 23rd Oct, answer to Colin Harlow's question, quote, 'There's no job to big or small for me, i'll tackle owt, i've worked all my life and done many jobs and good at them all, i was known as top man'
Album 27th Sept, Unknown Can You Help (2 fuel tankers) quote, 'The boss would only let top drivers, like me, drive them'
P-a-D 16th Feb, quote, 'I'm a retired spark' and, Garry, for me, your comments on that post were 'googled', i dont think they were your own words, spark or not. I have struggled to find a memorable quote on WW a while ago from you, but it was something like this, 'I was an electrician, the best one around'Dont ask me, 'Who do you think you are'? with self praise like that coming from you. Finally, regarding the uploaded photo, go to, SKF Church Bells, then click on 'Whites rely on SKF bearings for bell hanging'and then on the arrow inside of what looks like a television screen.


Comment by Garry on 15th November 2015 at 15:24
Jonno, look what you said about me at 20:40 first of all. Your the biggest problem on here. Don't give out if you can't take it back!


Comment by Judge on 15th November 2015 at 17:05
Jonno I think its six and half a dozen of the other. Kiss and make up, look what's going on in France and maybe we can put things in perspective.


Comment by Pw on 15th November 2015 at 18:41
Jonno, just read the comments that Garry makes and have a good chuckle.If Garry had any knowledge or qualifications in engineering he would be bragging all over this site.He is just a troll.The only thing I believe about Garry is that he was a coalman.I can tell from your input that you know about mechanical engineering.Just have a laugh like the rest of us.


Comment by Garry on 16th November 2015 at 07:57
I NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT ME BEING AN ENGINEER. BOTH OF YOU Pw AND JONNO ARE CONSTANTLY HAVING AGO AT ME ALL THE TIME. Just because my points are different to yours, it dosen't mean your right and I'm wrong. Have another look at these comments and you'll see everybody who causes the problems and who is more disrespectful. Like I said many times, if YOU give it out, YOU must take it back!!! I am pleased you said WE are spoiling a good upload photo, and not just blaming me.
Anne, it's a lovely photo and I stand by my comments, I believe Bushes are quite capable to take weight "aswell" as "bearings"- bushes are fine as long as the objects not moving too fast.
I am not on here to argue or to make things difficult or to offend you Jonno. If you feel that way, I would like to apologise. My comments at 14:41 are wrong, and I'm sorry.


Comment by Alan on 16th November 2015 at 10:16
Nothing up with Googling..most people use it on here' thats what it is for, Jonno.


Comment by Jonno on 16th November 2015 at 15:05
Garry, apology accepted and an apology returned, you did say you were a spark and that's an electrical engineer. I'll just say a little bit more about bushes and bearings. I agree that bushes have been used at some point in bell hanging, bells have been ringing long before the introduction of bearings, but, i am certain that for many years now, bushes have not been the choice. One problem with bells is that they are only used possibly twice a week, once for practice and again on Sunday, and, as such, hang as a deadweight for 95% of their existence, and would eventually render a very slight ovality in the bottom centre of a bush. Bell movement is a lot more complicated than it appears, it hasn't much to do with speed but with the various positions of the bell, particularly a heavy one and the different loads on its carriers. When a bell is moving, its weight is umpteen times greater than when it's not in use, as you will no doubt realise. The choice of bearing would depend solely on the bells weight i would think, whereas with bushes the only choice you would have would be the wall thickness and the metals they are manufactured from. As far as i'm concerned that's enough from me about the subject, apologies to Anne, as you said Garry it is a lovely photo and didn't really deserve all these comments from us. I know what trouble she had to go to, to take the photo, anyone who has been up Wigan Parish tower steps will know what i mean.


Comment by Ann on 16th November 2015 at 19:07
That's so nice the Jonno and Gary have come to apologise to each other, it really goes to show that they are real men deep down and are quite apologetic when the red mist has disappeared. I know you both don't agree with each other from time to time, but from a neutral point, your both really good with you comments on every post.I for one love to read your comments and sometimes makes me laugh, you both sound like good people and reading both comments I can see respect for each other.
Well done to you both.


Comment by Garry on 17th November 2015 at 16:44
Thank you Ann for your kind words. I think Jonno's the real gent after I under estimated his Engineering skills and technical ability. Sorry to all the people who up-load photo's only to have silly remarks and comments made by me. I promise it won't happen again!


Comment by Jonno on 17th November 2015 at 19:16
Thank you Garry for that, much appreciated but not really reqired. Please dont change too much, you are part and parcel of P-a-D and as such keep your remarks coming, whether they seem silly or otherwise. I guess we've wiped the slate clean now.


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