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bloo-moon



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 2:41 am    Post subject: friendly fire Reply with quote

I read the Yanks did it again, killed 3 of our soldiers in Afghanistan, makes you think ! do they know whose on their side.
We called for cover so they bombed us, nothin changes.

I seem to remember when they went Gungho in Bosnia, their Air Force dropped bombs in the wrong country,

Its sad when soldiers get killed fightin for their counrty,for family an friends, but think how they must feel, bein killed by their allies.

awful.
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Townofmemories



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Our troops shouldn't be there - Fighting for the Americans - What did they ever do for us?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trouble with this & Iraq is that unless you have a loved one or a relative in the forces we tend to get blaze about it all and emotionally imune to the sad losses incurred. Cool

Suppose thats human nature Question
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Townofmemories



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TBH, I have a few mates fighting over there, and if I would have continued, I would probably have been aswell. But it gets up my nose that OUR troops are fighting over there for Americans who made us pay them money for "helping" us out in the 2nd World War. They only got involved when Pearl Harbour happened, and they charged us money for the priviledge for the past 60 years, but now we are fighting for their mineral rights, who is not paying us for our services? Mr Brown wants to forge his own path, and get our troops out of them scumholes, leaving them to concentrate on OUR wellbeing.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The reason the British troops were bombed by the Americans was because they did,nt identify themselves properly.The British government has,nt spent enough on the forces.The British troops did,nt have enough technical equipment to identify themselves.The Americans saved Britain in two world wars what more do you want. Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

glad I didn,t say that gater.
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Townofmemories



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gater wrote:
The reason the British troops were bombed by the Americans was because they did,nt identify themselves properly.The British government has,nt spent enough on the forces.The British troops did,nt have enough technical equipment to identify themselves.The Americans saved Britain in two world wars what more do you want. Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes


Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

Because the Americans came running to help in WWII before Pearl Harbour didn't they? We may be short on equipment, but then again, we wouldn't if we weren't fighting SOMEONE ELSES WAR...
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gater,USA didn,t save us in ww1 or ww11, they helped ,after some persuasion but they did good and it was appreciated, and they wont let us forget it.
They see themselves as the World Policemen a bit like superman.

This Iraq and Afhganistan war or whatever you call it, it was knee jerk reaction to the Twin Tower attacks, from the muslim fanatics.
"Where are they?" "We cant be certain where are, so we,ll declare war on the countrys that there maybe some, lets get Sadam Hussain its all he,s fault, so they did, cost a couple hundred and still countin lives of civilian an military people, so, he.s out of the way. beltin, no more terroist attacks, WRONG! they just enrolled another thousand of fanatics.

Its a no win war and needless lives are lost.
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Cadfael



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 3:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bloo-moon wrote:
gater,USA didn,t save us in ww1 or ww11, they helped ,after some persuasion but they did good and it was appreciated, and they wont let us forget it.
They see themselves as the World Policemen a bit like superman.

This Iraq and Afhganistan war or whatever you call it, it was knee jerk reaction to the Twin Tower attacks, from the muslim fanatics.
"Where are they?" "We cant be certain where are, so we,ll declare war on the countrys that there maybe some, lets get Sadam Hussain its all he,s fault, so they did, cost a couple hundred and still countin lives of civilian an military people, so, he.s out of the way. beltin, no more terroist attacks, WRONG! they just enrolled another thousand of fanatics.

Its a no win war and needless lives are lost.


Even before Pearl Harbour the US still helped, in fact without them the war would have been over in 2 years... and you would be living in Nazi Occupied Britain.

You need to know your history over this...

The US Govt was desperate to get involved, but the US populace was not. The White House knew that if Hitler won the war that Europe would enter a new dark age, and the very safety of the US could be put at stake. What the US Govt eventualy did was the Lend Lease program... where they loaned ships, weapons, tanks and other supplies to the UK.... simply to ensure they could KEEP fighting. Without Lend Lease we were lost... end of story. When Germany invaded Russia, the US extended the Lend Lease program to them... make no mistake, without it Russia would have lost, but the Lend Lease aid ensured they could keep fighting.

Meanwhile, the US Govt desperately tried to convince the voters they must eventually get involved, but any Govt Administration that had commited at the time would have been voted out.

Then came Pearl Harbour. It is said that when Hitler heard about the attack he went balistic, because he knew that America would finally enter the theatre... and he knew all was lost. This is proven by the fact that when America entered the war... they were ready, they had the infrastructure in place since 1938! The only area where they were not ready was actually the Pacific Theatre, NOBODY anticipated the war with Japan.. but their Europe Operation was ready to go from day one they entered the war

But the fact is, without America the war would have been finished in 1941... and Europe would have been under Nazi control, perhaps for the next 50 years?

So... in essentially... love it or hate it... by their aid, America DID win the war, by keeping England IN it!
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Townofmemories



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 11:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_did_the_US_become_involved_in_World_War_2

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Most importantly, Japan attacked the US naval base at Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, without a declaration of war or any warning that hostlities were being commenced, sinking most of the battle fleet.

The day after the attack, December 7th, 1941, President Roosevelt went before the US Congress and asked for a formal declaration of War with Japan in retaliation. With the exception of Janet Rankin (Montana), the US Congress voted unamiously for War.

President Roosevelt never asked for war with Italy or Germany before the Congress. Instead, three days after December 7th, Italy and Germany declared war on the United States.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 1:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could,nt have put it any better myself. Laughing Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Know this is a bit late, just joined, but well done Cadfael. As you so rightly put it, the Americans didn't win the war single handed but without them we would be posting our comments in German.
But on the subject of 'Friendly Fire' the RAF were sent out in early 1940 to bomb German navy ships in hamburg harbour. They missed Hamburg, they missed Germany - they bombed, instead, Esbjurg in Denmark! As the Danes were still neutral it cost Britain a 'Bomb' in compensation to the Danes![/i]
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 8:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Townofmemories wrote:
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_did_the_US_become_involved_in_World_War_2

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Most importantly, Japan attacked the US naval base at Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, without a declaration of war or any warning that hostlities were being commenced, sinking most of the battle fleet.

The day after the attack, December 7th, 1941, President Roosevelt went before the US Congress and asked for a formal declaration of War with Japan in retaliation. With the exception of Janet Rankin (Montana), the US Congress voted unamiously for War.

President Roosevelt never asked for war with Italy or Germany before the Congress. Instead, three days after December 7th, Italy and Germany declared war on the United States.


That is absolutely correct, the US declared war on Japan only. But by doing so Germany and Italy as allies of Japan had to also declare war on the US because of the Axis Pact between Japan, Germany and Italy. When the US made this declaration they knew full well that Germany would soon declare war on them, and Italy would have to follow.

It was one thing for Hitler to renege on the Pact he made with Russia, but he could not afford to renege on a pact made with Japan. Japan could have ended Hitler in a matter of weeks. His hand was forced when he declared against the US.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is no such thing as "Friendly Fire" In the Sicilly invasion of WW2 hundreds of Airborne troops died when the Allied navy ships they flew over on the way to Sicilly treated them all as enemy aircraft and AA fire shot a lot off them down. Bad communications and not much Aircraft Recognition was the cause. E.T.
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FERT



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good point Eric, the whole phrase is a cover up word for an almighty cock up where something, somewhere, is lacking.
Another example being Burma 1944, close configuration anti-personnel minefield defences, not even the true width of a mule and no mine detectors available. "Battlefield Accident"
also after things going so well without incident with US airforce - good communications and accuracy, a sudden change of hand back to Royal Air Force air support, Mogaung 1944 - straight on top of them instead of the intended target. Anybody can be 'guilty' of a tragic needless most serious error, just that nowadays we get to know more about them with a fancy descriptive phrase to smooth it over. Well said Eric.
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