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Posted by LEP1950 on 15th January 2016  

For Roy:

I was also disappointed that I couldn't "prove" that James was the son of Thomas and Alice. I don't know whether the young man who died in 1831 was their son. The surname in the records spelt "Miars" could be "Myers", but it could also be "Mears". However I haven't found the birth of a James Mears. But the James who died may have been new to the area. I would still keep Thomas and Alice in mind. I also have my own HUGE brick wall with the birth of my own direct ancestor around 1814-1816. He also claims to have been born in Wigan in every census, but he is nowhere to be found.

There were familes called Myers in Kendal, but I haven't been able to find a James born around this time. On the basis of the names given by James and Mary Ann, I wondered whether James' father's name was John, but, of course, it is no hard and fast rule that the eldest two sons are named after their grandfathers.

I have checked every website I know on the internet (not just ancestry and familysearch) and I even looked through the Kendal Mercury for the period, but can find no trace of the marriage of James and Mary Ann. It's a pity that they probably married before the middle of 1837, just missing civil registration. Have you tried getting in touch with Kendal record office? The telephone number and email are online. They would know whether parish marriage records for Kendal still exist. You probably need 1835-37. Most likely is 1836. It is a limited period and perhaps they do brief look-ups and don't charge so much. There are some Kendal records online, but they stop years beore this period.
It seems quite probable that James and Mary Ann married in Kendal since their son Fallowfield was born there, but they could have married anywhere. Perhaps Mary Ann was in service and had met James where she worked.

If you do get any further, please post, and look occasionally. I'll post if I have any more ideas.

Linda

Posted by Roy Huxley on 14th January 2016  r.huxley@btinternet.com 

Thank you Linda for your trouble, very interesting, but, as usual, nothing left in order for us who are trying to leave everything right for our offspring. I hope you enjoyed your night at the cinema.

Posted by LEP1950 on 13th January 2016  

Myers/Wilson

The details below would have been very neat, but I have just come back from the cinema and really wanted to look for the first child of Thomas and Alice. Instead I found the death of a 16-year old James Miars from Scholes in 1831. So does this mean "back to square one"? There is no address or names of relatives, but it is, of course, possible that this was the son of Thomas and Alice.

Have you investigated Richard Mayor, a clogger, who lived in Blackrod and had a son called James with his wife Ellen in 1816? There is no trace of the names Richard and Ellen among James and Mary Ann's children and I don't think these were the parents, but the occupation is interesting.

I wouldn't dismiss Thomas and Alice as parents yet, but obviously the death of a James with a similar name does throw some doubt on my previous assumptions.

Linda

Posted by LEP1950 on 13th January 2016  

So, before I sign off, Alice Lord seems to have been christened in Wigan on 22nd March 1770, daughter of John and Ann Lord. Several siblings are also listed in the records. I think I have also found the marriage on January 5th 1789. Thomas is here listed as "Neers". I have looked at the original scan and it does look like an "N", but I think the spelling was down to a hard-of-hearing" vicar!

Linda

Posted by LEP1950 on 13th January 2016  

The first James died aged 7 in December 1807, son of Thomas Myers of Scholes.

It was hard to find the death of the second James at first, but he died aged 5 in October 1814, the son of THOMAS MOYAS (!). That's a new phonetic spelling for you.


I have two possibilities fro the birth of Thomas Myers, but I'd like to think about it and I am out tonight (cinema).

Linda

Posted by LEP1950 on 13th January 2016  

Hi Ron,

I could have saved myself some work, but at least I'm in the picture. When someone says in every single census that he/she was born in a certain place, then I think we must first assume it to be true. I know some people do vary their place of birth, often naming the town they grew up in. Anyway if James was born in Wigan, then I think he was the (last) child of THOMAS MYERS and ALICE nee LORD. You will note that Thomas and Alice were among the names given to the children of James and Mary Ann.

This James was christened on 26th November 1815 and is listed in the records as MAIRIAS (!!). He was the 10th child, 7th son and the third attempt of the couple to have a son named James. The spelling of the name varies in the baptism records of All Saints, Wigan. I'll write them as they appear. The marriage and the birth of the first daughter seem to have taken place elsewhere. Unfortunately, I can't copy and paste as I know from experience that the message then doesn't appear and so I will just write a short version. You can look up the other details then yourself:

BETTY MAIRS - 2nd daughter - 1792 - Thomas and Alice are parents. Alice's parents are JOHN and ANN LORD.

JOHN MYERS - 1st son - 1795 -other details as above, except Alice's mother is "Nanny"

WILLIAM MYERS - 2nd son - 1798 - other details as under "John".

JAMES MYERS - 3rd son - 1801. Maiden name of Alice mistranscribed as "Lund".

THOMAS MYERS - 4th son - 1804. Same details as under "John".

HENRY MYERS - 5th son - 1806. On LanOPC, he is listed as "first son". This isn't true. You can see a scan of the original parish register on ancestry. It says beyond a doubt "fifth son". John and Nanny Lord are listed as grandparents.

JAMES MAYORS - 6th son- 1809. Same details. "Nanny" listed as "Ann".

LUCY MAYORS - 3rd daughter - 1812. Details as above.

JAMES MAIRIAS - 7th son of Thomas and Alice. Abode and occupation the same as in above entries. By this time they had stopped naming the maternal grandparents - a pity!!

Linda

Posted by Roy Huxley on 13th January 2016  r.huxley@btinternet.com 

Hi Linda, thank you for your efforts thus far, i have traced the Fallowfieds back to Thomas 1692,who had a daughter Mary 1718, and, as you suggested was the maiden name of a Wilson bride, she married Isaac Wilson, that is where the Fallowfield surname became a christian name.
I have always wondered if James Myers was born in Kendal, but on every census he states that he was born in Wigan. Kendal in those days would seem quite a way from Wigan but, James was a shoemaker, and, as you probably know shoemaking was Kendal's biggest industry until recent years.

Posted by LEP1950 on 12th January 2016  

For Ron Huxley:

James Myers and Mary Ann Wilson had a 3-year old son called Fallowfield Myers in the 1841 census. In 1851 it becomes clear that this son was born in Kendal, Westmorland. The name Fallowfield is so unusual and made it easy to find a baptism for him on July 9th 1837. He was born on June 6th 1837 to James Myers and Mary Ann. Mary Ann's father's name was Fallowfield Wilson, and Mary Ann was born to him and his wife MARY in Kendal in 1818. The christening date is 12th July 1818. There are a lot of Fallowfield Wilsons in Kendal at this period, but it seems that Mary Ann's father married MARY COOPER in 1801.

Known siblings of Mary Ann:

JOHN (1803)
FALLOWFIELD (b. 1805, d. 1805)
ISABELLA (1806)
FALLOWFIELD (1808)
MILES (1810)
JAMES (1812)
WILLIAM (1814)
ISAAC (1816)

I think Fallowfield's father was also called Fallowfield and that he married Anne Dickson on 23rd August 1775. They had a son called Fallowfield, who was christened on April 19th 1778. I take this Fallowfield to be the one who married MARY COOPER and fathered MARY ANN WILSON in 1818 who went on to marry JAMES MYERS and had herself a son called FALLOWFIELD MYERS.

The Fallowfields in Kendal go back even further (I presume it was originally the maiden name of one of the Wilson brides), but I think that's enough to digest for now.

What worries me is that I can't to date find a marriage for Mary Ann Wilson and James Myers in Kendal. There is a marriage for a Mary Ann Wilson, b. abt. 1818 in Kendal, in the Oct-Nov-Dec quarter of 1837, but the only James on the page is James Hornby. I thought that perhaps James Myers was born before his mother became Myers, but the above marriage is also after the baptism of Fallowfield Myers, where the parents are listed as James Myers and Mary Ann.

The baptisms of all the Myers-Wilson children except for the first two (Fallowfield and a first daughter Jane, who died aged 6) are on LanOPC at All Saints Parish Church, Wigan. William, born 1864, was not the son of James and Mary Ann but the illegitimate son of their daughter Catherine. His baptism is also listed with the mother noted as Catherine Myers of Wigan Lane.

I'll try to find out tomorrow where James Myers came from.

Linda

Posted by Roy Huxley on 12th January 2016  r.huxley@btinternet.com 

Thank you James, i have all that information, it is James' parents i am trying to find.

Posted by james riding on 12th January 2016  james.riding'@ypostoffice.co.uk 

Hello on
James Myers
birth 1816 at Wigan
Marriage Mary Ann Wilson birth in Kendal
1814 Wigan Lanchashire
children
Alfred
Thomas
Oliver
George
William
Catherine
Mary Ann

Posted by james riding on 12th January 2016  james.riding@mypostoffice.co.uk 

Hi Patricia

Baptism john Waring 27/11/1802 At, St Barthholomen church Westhoughton Lancashire
parents Thomas & Jane Waring

Posted by Roy Huxley on 12th January 2016  r.huxley@btinternet.com 

I seem to have hit the proverbial brick wall researching my great great grandfather,s parents, he was James Myers, born abt 1814/16 in Wigan and died 1881 in Wigan, he married a Mary Ann Wilson who was born in Kendal, i was wondering if anyone had any ideas on which direction to take, i am having no trouble at all with the rest of my family research.

Posted by james riding on 11th January 2016  james.riding@mypostoffice.co.uk 

Hello again
Thomas Waring batcholor marriage to Jane Easton Spinster at the church Thomas the Martyr UpHolland 19th August 1799
Witness Thomas Lowe & Luke Foster

It seems that Jane Easton/Eastom? I founf on the OPC site as Eastom

Posted by james Riding on 11th January 2016  james.riding@mypostoffice.co.uk 

Hello Patricia

Thomas Waring marriage to Jane Eastom 19th August Upholland 1799

Son John Waring birth 27th November 1802 at Westhoughton Lancashire Thomas & Jane Waring

Hope it helps

james

Posted by Patricia Waring on 9th January 2016  purplepat26@hotmail.co.uk 

I am looking for more information on John Waring who was baptized 27 November 1802 in Westhoughton. His parents were Thomas Waring and Jane. I wonder if this couple were Thomas Waring and Jane Easton/|Eastom married in Upholland (uncertain how far away this is) on 19th August 1799. Does anyone have any further information on them. Noted there is a John Waring llisted on members site but no email address for contact. My brick wall is a John Waring later found in Herefordshire for last 16 years. Any help very much appreciated

Posted by james riding on 4th January 2016  james.riding@mypostoffice.co.uk 

Hi Gary

The Armstrong & Speakman,married 1912
There seems they had births , don'tknow if the children 6 in all .
James Samuel Speakman 1913 mothers Maiden name Armstrong
Mary Ellen Speakman birth 1916 mums Maiden name Armstrong
Elizabeth Speakman birth 1918 Mums maiden Name Armstrong
Joseph Speakman birth 1921 Mums Armstrong
Harold Speakmanm birth 1924 Mums Armstrong

Regards James

Posted by james riding on 4th January 2016  james.riding@mypostoffice.co.uk 

Hi Gary Speakman
Marriage of Samuel Speakman to Mary Armstrong at 1912 Christ Church Millgate Wigan
Hope this helps
James

Posted by Gary speakman on 2nd January 2016  

I'm looking for any information about the Armstong family that had a shoe shop or cobblers on Millgate from the turn of the 20th century. James Armstong was my great great grandfather and had the shop, having come across from Ireland originally. A photo of the shop would be great. My great grandmother married into the Speakman family early in the 1900s.

Posted by james riding on 19th December 2015  james.riding@mypostoffice.co.uk 

Hi Brian

Tom Fielden Uren birth 1905 Rawtenstall Lancashire Mothers Fielden Ref R.A/16/14

Jack Uren birth 1913 Rawtenstall Lancashire mother Name Fielden Ref R.A/27/26

Harry Uren birth 1918 rawtenstall mother Fielden ref RA/31/31

Rawtenstall is in the Hyndburn collective , about 8 miles below Burnley

Posted by james riding on 18th December 2015  James.riding@mypostoffice.co.uk 

Hi Brian
the area of Hyndburn council in General direction between Burnley & Accington ,both in Lancashire. It seems that Hyndburn of vast area north of Blackburn & South of Preston


regards James