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Posted by Paula Mitchell on 11th May 2015  

Yes her sister Mary married Matthew Garfoot, it was her and her husband that were witnesses at Richard and Elizabeth Telford/Robinsons wedding. I've got the marriage certificate, I was certain it was Mary Rigby (obviously hoping as well) but it wasn't. It was a Thomas Williams and Rachel Roberts that were witnesses at Richard and Elizabeth Hughes wedding. I think I'm trying to get too much information at once and I'm making errors. I've now a feeling Mary Rigby has no connection to the family, my BIG mistake x

Posted by LEP1950 on 11th May 2015  

I was going to look whether Elizabeth Telford had a sister called Mary, but you've answered that question. So who was the witness Mary Rigby? Just a coincidence?

Posted by LEP1950 on 11th May 2015  

I have been out literally all day and have just read your messages. If Mary Rigby, b. 1830, was a witness at Richard's wedding, she would have been around 74-years old. I don't know. Seems a bit strange, but I need to think about it. I'll try to explore possible connections tonight.

I can't find the birth of a John Rigby around 1860 with a mother whose maiden name is Hart. I wrote down all the maiden names and none ring any bells yet. I will have to check all of them to see if one married a Rigby as a widow. And I also can't find a marriage of an Elizabeth Hart to a Rigby. Again possibly there were two marriages and an unknown name. But perhaps Mary wasn't Elizabeth's daughter anyway, but a widow with a child that she took in.

Linda

Posted by Paula Mitchell on 11th May 2015  

I don't think it was Richards sister Mary he was lodging with. Thinking about it she said 'Richard was lodging with Grt Aunt Mary when he met Elizabeth'. Just realised Elisabeth has a sister called Mary also. I would think it's probably her.

Posted by Paula Mitchell on 11th May 2015  

Looking at years of birth Mary Rigby was born around 1830, Mary Sherrington abt 1839. Richard still knew Mary Rigby though, it's got to be as witness at his wedding.

Posted by Paula Mitchell on 11th May 2015  

Linda, just thought I'd share a bit of news. My new found 'Grand' Aunt (Peters mam) has been emailing me. She said when Richard Sherrington/ Hilton met my grt Grandmother Elizabeth Telford/ Robinson he was lodging with his sister Mary in C.Durham. I haven't got to Mary yet but have had quick look and guess what's been staring right at me?? Witness at Richard's wedding to Elizabeth Clark/ Hughes was a Mary Rigby. I'm hoping I'm not putting 2 & 2 together and getting 10, but I'm presuming this maybe his sister and also the Mary Rigby that adopted Samuel. With being at work I haven't time to find marriage, census etc., but can't wait to get home this evening. If Mary Rigby was his sister then she must have been living in C.Durham 1903/1904 when Richard met Elizabeth, so another reason Samuel may have moved to the area was to be nearer his adopted mam. I also need to figure out who Elizabeth Hart was, as she is reported as Mary Rigby's mam in the 1871 Census.

Posted by Paula Mitchell on 11th May 2015  

Posted by Paula Mitchell on 10th May 2015  

Should have said, she is at the same address Commercial Street in 1911 as she was with Richard & Elizabeth in 1901, I wondered why they lied about where she was born and her relationship with Richard and Elizabeth. I though at first maybe an error but they reported Elizabeth being born in Wales.
Paula

Posted by Paula Mitchell on 10th May 2015  

Your right, it is Charlotte in 1901, Have found her in 1911 with Clyde and Ernest, also a Florrie Hughes who is a Domestic Servant. I'm presuming she's a relative somewhere along the line. Bedtime I think, work at 6
Paula x

Posted by Paula Mitchell on 10th May 2015  

I've put a message for him through Communicate/ People. Not sure if that's the best thread to use. I was thinking more If James was his grt grt G/Father then obviously Elizabeth his grt grt Gmother (unless he's something to do with Elizabeth Hacket! He had Samuel staying with him in 1881, you never know something may have been passed on. I did notice Charlotte but I don't think I put two and two together, haven't looked at the Hughes for a while. By the look of it they all disappeared by the time Richard married Elizabeth Robinson. I'll do a search of others researching the Hughes, see if I can see anything.
Paula

Posted by LEP1950 on 10th May 2015  

Yes, I saw that post a couple of days ago when I put Richard Sherrington into the search box, but since the person was interested in James Hill, I didn't do anything. Do you think we should point her/him to this thread??

Paula, did you notice that there is a Charlotte Woodhall (not Woodfall) listed as a 40-year old widow with Richard and Elizabeth in 1901? She is supposedly a servant born in Crook. Well, I don't think she was born in Crook and I'm sure she was Elizabeth Hughes' daughter. Charlotte Hughes married John George Woodhall in 1886. She had twins in 1887 - Clyde and Elizabeth and sons Joseph (1888), George (1890) and Ernest (1892). Details are under England, Select Births and Christenings on ancestry. In 1891 Clyde, Joseph and George are in the census, but in 1901 only Clyde and the youngest son Ernest are with her with Richard Sherrington/Hilton and her mother. I'm going to look whether her descendants are in someone's tree. Oh, you can see the probate for Clyde's will on ancestry. He died in 1947.

Linda

Posted by Paula Mitchell on 10th May 2015  

Yes the elusive Richard, not a brilliant photo but the only one I have at the moment. Got a load more to upload of the Hilton side but not had time as of yet. No connections to any other trees. I'm certain people have given up on this family due to its complications
Paula

Posted by Paula Mitchell on 10th May 2015  

Was just having a look about on Wigan World and did search on the name Sherrington. An interesting post was somebody doing their family tree (back in 2009) and just really wanted to know where new pit lane was. They copied the 1851 census for Richard with his parents and siblings. Maybe a long shot but I'll see if I can get in touch. He also goes onto say his gt gt grandfather married Elizabeth Sherrington in 1858, that would be James Hill. His username is 'hilly'

Posted by LEP1950 on 10th May 2015  

You're right about Mary Alice and Frederick Vasey. I'd put in "Mary Alice" and nothing had come up. I didn't look any further as it was late last night. She was under "Mary A.".
Is she on anybody's ancestry tree?

Linda

PS It was interesting to see a picture of Richard Sherrrington/Hilton on your tree.

Posted by Paula Mitchell on 10th May 2015  

You should know I'm subscribed to Ancestry, my tree is public (Hilton Family Tree). I put in 'scenarios' then take them off if they are not right. I don't have to do that often but it has happened. I've got Mary Alice marrying a Frederick Vasey in 1920?

Posted by Paula Mitchell on 10th May 2015  

Your a total gem Linda. Don't you go out of your way though you have done more than enough. I would NEVER have worked it all out by myself (think I would have given up). It's my mistake also, I'm looking at William Hill age 14 in the 1881 census not the 1891. Still working through Richards siblings in the hope of finding John in 1871. I notice Ann his eldest sister born 1827 didn't marry until quite late on. No children. It looks like she married a Henry Southern in 1871, she was 44 and he a widower age 60.
Paulax

Posted by LEP1950 on 10th May 2015  

No, Paula, it's not you, it's me. The 16-year old Julia Ann suddenly appears in the 1891 census as the daughter. But I can't find her in the birth registers as the daughter of the first Elizabeth (Sherrington) or the second Elizabeth (Shuttleworth nee Hackett): So who is she??? The second Elizabeth's three daughters, who can also be found in the baptism records, are in the 1881 census, now with the name Hill.

I have found out some more about Samuel Standring's family in Durham. I'd forgotten there was another son called William, born in 1904.

Here are the births of Mary Alice and John WILLIAM (in thick letters in the register and so obviously the name used):

Name: Mary Alice Standring
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 15 Sep 1898
Baptism Place: Crook, Durham, England
Father: Samuel Standring
Mother: Sarah Ann
FHL Film Number: 2107288
Reference ID: 483

Name: John William Standring
Registration Year: 1904
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Lanchester
Inferred County: Durham
Volume: 10a
Page: 345

Mary Alice doesn't seem to have married. Perhaps she died. I haven't looked.The three sons married as follows:

James Standring to Bridget Hardy (1920)
Richard Standring to Theresa Smith (1919)
William Standring to Jane Trotter (1932)

Of course, I haven't seen the father's name, but through crosschecking I think they were the only Standrings in the Lanchester area where the marriages took place.

I looked on ancestry again. Some members have Bridget Hardy on their trees married to James, but no further information. They wouldn't have been able to find him in the 1901 census (Hilton!!) and so it's no wonder. One person (who doesn't have the correct husband) has Bridget Hardy, who died in 1967, with children and grandchildren, but all of these just say "private" apart from two who are already dead. Unfortunately the tree owner hasn't logged in for over a year. And since she doesn't even have the correct marriage partner, it's unlikely that she would know any family secrets. The other tree owners are interested more in Bridget's siblings and only have her marriage and nothing else.

I'm browsing loads of interesting websites but getting nowhere. I will be in the Wigan area in the middle of June and will spend one day at the library, but I don't know how many "Wigan Observers" I can go through in three hours ( I have also promised to do something else), but I'll try.

Linda

Posted by Paula Mitchell on 10th May 2015  

Linda. Not sure if I'm losing the plot!! I've got the census for James and Elizabeth in 1881, but there's no Julie Ann age 14. There's William Hill son age 14

Posted by Paula Mitchell on 9th May 2015  

Yes I am having to get a bit of housework/ gardening done today. I am taking my aunt to meet the mother of Peter from work in the next week or two, so I'm hoping something may come of that. There's times I find myself searching all sorts and I don't really know what I'm looking for, that's when I need to close laptop and do something different.
Paula

Posted by LEP1950 on 9th May 2015  

I was wondering whether it would be possible to find descendants of Samuel as the "story", whatever it was, may have been handed down to them. I don't know who the daughter married, but anyway at first glance I couldn't see anyone related to the Durham Standrings on ancestry public member trees.
Is there any possibility of you getting in touch with the aunts and uncles who haven't spoken to each other?? Who knows what snippet of information someone might be able to provide.
Must do a bit of work in the garden today, but will browse around again tonight. Don't really know what I'm looking for. I've looked at the Johns born 1869/70 in Ince in the 1871 census. Nothing doing there.

L.