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Posted by LEP1950 on 7th May 2015  

I've been out all day so far and have just read your message. That's unbelievable, but do you think your work colleague could now ask his mother about her family and the murder case, or is she already dead? It seems it was no secret in the family. It's so frustrating not knowing what happened. We are presuming that something happened between 1871 and 1873 in Worksop, but Richard could have returned to Ince/Wigan after the 1871 census. Perhaps something happened there. It would probably be easier to find that out than to find out something in Worksop.
It seems that son Samuel remained in Ince until the late 1890s when he moved to Durham, using Standering in 1901 and then taking on the name Hilton. I wonder whether he saw his father in all those years. People worked at least six days a week at that time. There wasn't much time to travel between Wigan and Durham.

Will write later as I've only just returned home.

Linda

Posted by Paula Mitchell on 7th May 2015  

Thought I would share something with you before I go off for the day. Mentioned at work this morning that my maiden name should be Sherrington not Hilton. One of our Engineering Managers said his grandmothers maiden name was Hilton. We swapped information and as it so happens somebody I have worked with for nearly 15 years is my second cousin. Unbelievable!!! He knew there was a name change and his father always said to him 'Don't ask your mother about her family, they murdered people'. Very small world.
Paula

Posted by Paula Mitchell on 7th May 2015  

Looking at the 1901 Census for Ellen Sherrington (Living with her mother), there's a lodger called Lydia Rigby. Wondering if this is a connection to Samuels adopted family from 1871. I'm away today but will look forward to delving some more later this evening.
Paula

Posted by LEP1950 on 7th May 2015  

That's definite, Paula. Mother's maiden name in the birth registers for James Sherrington is given as Catterall.

Linda

Posted by Paula Mitchell on 7th May 2015  

It looks like Richard had another brother James born 1845 but he died age 5 months. I wondered why there was a gap in the children as on average his parents had children about every two years.

Name:
James Sherrington
Birth Date:
30 May 1845
Baptism Date:
17 Aug 1845
Baptism Place:
Wigan, All Saints, Lancashire, England
Father:
Richard Sherrington
Mother:
Mary Sherrington
Parish as it Appears:
Wigan

Posted by Paula Mitchell on 7th May 2015  

Thanks Linda, I actually fell asleep, I think sitting on computer all day at work and then home to laptop has taken its toll today. Paula

Posted by LEP1950 on 6th May 2015  

I've been sorting out the children of James Hill and Elizabeth and the waifs and strays they seem to have harboured. It's very complicated, but I can say definitively that they didn't have John Sherrington/Hilton with them in 1871 and that Elizabeth Hill died in 1879. The address at her death - Belle Green Lane - is the address at the baptism of son Henry. The Elizabeth in the 1891 census is James's second wife, who was probably Elizabeth Shuttleworth nee Hackett, even though the name of James's father was supposedly William and not Thomas on the marriage certificate. There is a grandson Samuel Shuttleworth with them (and with a strange spelling) in 1901. I'll tell you about the complications with the many children tomorrow. I'm too tired to write tonight.
Hope you've had some success.

Linda

Posted by Paula Mitchell on 6th May 2015  

I'm going to try Richards other siblings plus first wife Mary Standering's family census records, concentrating on 1871. Maybe come up with John Sherrington/ Hilton's wherabouts

Posted by LEP1950 on 6th May 2015  

I think that is Samuel in the 1891 census, and James Hill says he's his uncle. A James Hill did marry an Elizabeth Sherrington, Richard's sister, who was born in 1836. She may possibly have died in 1879, aged 43 - listed in the cemetery registers as being of Belle Green Lane and the wife of James. Presumably the Elizabeth in the 1891 census is his second "wife". Can't find a seond marriage as the father listed for James in the two possible marriages to a second Elizabeth is not correct. I'm also having trouble with the children. So please leave this with me for a day or so. I have to watch Champions League football now !

L.

Posted by Paula Mitchell on 6th May 2015  

I wondered who Linda was, had a look to see if there was somebody else researching this line. I'm busy putting all this info you have supplied into my tree. The fact that John (born abt. 1869)and survived and was with his father in 1881 definitely confirms this is the right family. Have spoken to my aunt today and she is certain there was some sort of crime to do with murder. Also thinking about it the name change can't have been a secret to his last wife (my great grandmother), as this snippet of info must have been passed on by her as Richard had died before my father and aunts were born.

Posted by LEP1950 on 6th May 2015  

Wondering about Elizabeth Hill's age in the 1891 census. Need to think about it. A second wife called Elizabeth or just a wild guess at the age??

Posted by LEP1950 on 6th May 2015  

I've now found Samuel in 1891. He's falsely written down as Stanerey and is the nephew of James Hill (55) and Elizabeth (47), who keep The Star Inn, Manchester Road, Ince. If there is any doubt, here is the marriage of James Hill to Elizabeth Sherrington, Richard's sister:

Marriage: 28 Nov 1858 St Catharine, Wigan, Lancs.
James Hill - (X), 22 Collier Bachelor of Ince
Elizabeth Sherrington - (X), 22 Spinster of Ince
Groom's Father: Thomas Hill, (deceased), Carter
Bride's Father: Richard Sherrington, Collier
Witness: Ralph Birchall, (X); Esther Gaskell, (X)
Married by Banns by: Wm. Thos. Whitehead Incumbent
Register: Marriages 1854 - 1863, Page 86, Entry 172
Source: Original register at Wigan Archives

So, Samuel is now accounted for in all the censuses. We need John Sherrington in 1871 and 1891.

Linda

Posted by LEP1950 on 6th May 2015  

That was well spotted, Geraldine, and I think you are right. I'm sure the enumerator misheard or misread the name Sandring as Stanley!!That's probably Samuel accounted for in the 1881 census.
Geraldine and I know each other, Paula. That's why she called me Linda.

Best to you both and to Oliver, if you're following. Will get in touch before my next trip to Chorley and Wigan.

Linda

Posted by Paula Mitchell on 6th May 2015  

Thanks Geraldine. My internet access is limited as I am at work, but will be working on this later when I am home.

Posted by geraldine long on 6th May 2015  

Hello Paula and Linda
On 1881 census at 31 Anderton St Ince is a Samuel Stanley 14yrs listed as adopted son
living with Mary Rigby Head of Household 50yrs and John Rigby son 21yrs, These would appear to be the same family as the 1871 census

Posted by Paula Mitchell on 5th May 2015  

Yes I've got the 1871 Census for Elizabeth Hughes being Beerhouse Keeper with her children. Again thank you

Posted by Paula Mitchell on 5th May 2015  

LEP1950
Elizabeth Telfords father was called John, so maybe a bit of both in naming my grandfather John. My father was also called John (although got called Jack). This is one part of the family tree I have never been able to piece together and I'm not surprised with all the different name changes. So thinking about it my maiden name should be Sherrington and not Hilton. If it was bigamy that means his marriage to my great grandmother wasn't legal?? In the 1911 census for Richard you will have noticed he was an 'Official' in the mining industry. I was told they didn't give these titles out lightly and no way would he be given it if he had committed a crime. Name change and a move to different area I don't suppose anybody would have known!!!

Posted by LEP1950 on 5th May 2015  

I have access to some old newspapers via an online library card and for the fun of it I looked up Richard Sherrington and Richard Hilton. Was hoping to find some crime, but all I found was that a licence for The Bull's Head pub in Ponkey, Wales had been transferrd to a Richard Hilton on July 5th, 1873. I looked to see whether a different Richard Hilton was in the area in 1871 who might have taken over the pub. There wasn't one, but I found out that in 1871 the "beerhouse keeper" of this particular pub was Elizabeth Hughes with the same children as in the Durham census of 1881. All I can say is that Richard Hilton was still the landlord of the pub on September 26th 1874 when he was fined 2s and 6d and 8s costs for an offence against the Licensing Act. His wife had sold two quarts of ale outside opening hours. I always find these litle snippets interesting. So the move to Durham was definitely after September 1874. I haven't been able to find out how long he had the pub.

That's all for tonight!
LEP1950

Posted by Paula Mitchell on 5th May 2015  

LEP1950
You said in an earlier post if I'd posted my query earlier it would have saved a lot of money. I came across this site by accident through being a member of Wigan World. All of this is so much to take in and I am working through it. Thank you so much.
James Riding. I've just seen your post from earlier, thank you also for helping and also the earlier emails you sent.
I now need to get local newspapers for the years 1871(ish) to 1873, to see if I can figure out the name change. Paula x

Posted by LEP1950 on 5th May 2015  

John Sherrington's first two children died as babies:

Mary Ann, buried 26 Aug 1892, aged 5 months
Richard, buried 11 May 1894, aged 10 months

But where was John Sherrington in 1871?