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Posted by LEP1950 on 23rd January 2015  

Apparently Henry went bankrupt in the year he married Frances. Notice is given in the "Gentleman's Magazine and Historical Chronicle", Vol XLVIII from 1778. On p. 440, under "Preferments, Bankrupts, and Stocks":

Henry Livesey, Ormskirk, Lancash., mercer.

I wanted to copy the extract, but it didn't work.

England, Cheshire, Marriage Bonds and Allegations
Name: Henry Livesey

Event Type: Intended marriage
Event Date: 17 Jan 1778
Residence Place: Ormskirk, Lancaster
Gender: Male
Age: 21
Marital Status: Batchelor
Spouse's Name: Frances Strafford

Spouse's Residence Place: Ormskirk
Spouse's Age: 21
Spouse's Marital Status: Spinster
Digital Folder Number: 4018458 , Image Number: 1219

Her name was apparently Trafford not Stafford. Presumably a transcription error.

Please let us know if you find the baptisms!!


Posted by LEP1950 on 23rd January 2015  

Posted by LEP1950 on 23rd January 2015  

For Oliver Slade:
Don't know what happened to the long email I wrote before - it disappeared! I'm presuming the family were Catholics at the time and there are not all that many Catholic records online for that period. There seems to have been a link of Humphtrey's first wife to St John's in Wigan as I presume she is the godparent
www.hemsworth.me.ukto her nephew?) in the record below:

Baptism: 29 Mar 1807 St John RC, Wigan, Lancs.
Joseph Kennion - Son of Will. Kennion & Mary
Born: 29 Mar 1807
God Parents: Silvester Bootle; Ann Livsy
Register: Baptisms 1805 - 1822, Page 32
Source: Original register at LRO

Posted by Max S. on 23rd January 2015  maxopdehall@gmail.com 

Dear people from Wigan/ Billinge

I am looking for an old friend,i lost contact around 1992.
Her name is or was (marriage) Sarah Thompson and around 1992 she lived with her parents on Ashgrove crescent, in Billinge.
Does anyone know her and can get me in contact with her?
My email is maxopdehall@gmail.com
Thanks for reading

Max S.

Posted by Jim Orrell on 21st January 2015  jim.orrell.p1@gmail.com 

Thanks Eileen, for anyone interested in looking at The British Newspaper Archive, you do need a subscription to view them, a little expensive in my mind, but as with all these subscription things probably cheap if you consider travel costs and time it would otherwise take.

BUT, if you have access to a FindMyPast subscription it is included, not sure if there is a delay or not.

Posted by Eileen on 20th January 2015  

Jim Orrell:
Great idea - I have added my votes. Have been able to find quite a lot of information about "regular folk" in other areas that I'm researching. Thanks for pointing this out. Hopefully a few people will see this and add their votes.

Posted by Jim Orrell on 20th January 2015  jim.orrell.p1@gmail.com 

I suppose many of you will have heard of The British Newspaper Archive.
I've been waiting to see the Wigan Observer archived but it is still not scheduled yet.

It seems that they have a voting system for what is done next.

If you want to add your vote, just free register:
You are allowed 10 votes, max 3 per newspaper.

These links take you to the relevant pages.

Jim Orrell

Posted by Oliver Slade on 19th January 2015  matfieldmariner@aol.com 

Thanks for that! Sadly, I still don't know where the children were baptised (and there were more!), nor where Humphrey and his wife, Sarah, were buried.

Posted by geraldine long on 19th January 2015  

To Oliver Slade
There are 4 marriages listed on Lancashire OPC
Joseph Livesey 29/11/1840 at St Davids Haigh Elizabeth Livesey 14/6/1841 St Davids Haigh Louisa Livesey 6/11/1846 at All saints Wigan and Joseph Livesey (widower)7/11/1853 at St Mary the Virgin Dean all give the fathers name as Humphrey Livesey Land Surveyor.

Posted by Oliver Slade on 17th January 2015  matfieldmariner@aol.com 

Most of All Saints is on Ancestry. I can't see this baptism, however. Any ideas?

Posted by jamesriding on 17th January 2015  

Hi Oliver

All saints church is the Wigan Parish Church, in the centre town

regards James

Posted by Oliver Slade on 16th January 2015  matfieldmariner@aol.com 

Thank you James! Any idea which parish Humphrey was baptised in? He marries Ann Kenion at All Saints on April 25th, 1805.

Posted by james riding on 16th January 2015  

Hi Oliver re Humphrey Livesey.

Birth 29th April 1784 Wigan

Baptism 23rd 1805 in Wigan

spouse Ann Konion, Chester was printed

Posted by LEP1950 on 13th January 2015  

Posted by Oliver Slade on 13th January 2015  matfieldmariner@aol.com 

Hello, I am interested in any information about HUMPHREY LIVESEY/LIVESAY 'Land and mining surveyor' of Wigan. According to the Preston Chronicle he died aged 50 in 1831 but there is no trace of a burial. In addition, I can't find any baptisms for his 7 children (c.1808-1828) all of whom were supposedly born in Wigan. I have a feeling that the family were Roman Catholic but did not use St. John's. Any help/pointers would be much appreciated.

Posted by james riding on 7th January 2015  

To Eileen

It seems to have been a coincidence of two Elizabeth Claytons next door on !9 & 21 Upholland road


Posted by Eileen on 6th January 2015  

To James, re: Elizabeth Clayton.
Thanks for your reply but this is not the Elizabeth Clayton that is mentioned in my post. Her child was Eva b. 1911. The Rhoda you mention can be found in 1911 census living with her grandparents Wm & Mary at 19 Upholland Road, Billinge

Posted by Jan Bannister on 5th January 2015  

Try to find details of the owners of Smither's Cottage, neard Kings Moss (Rainford area) District 10, Up Holland in 1851 census. My ancestor Henry Bannister (ag lab) lived and died at Bispham Hall in 1844 age 46, shows on the 1841 census then his widow and eldest son are in 1851 census at Smither's cottage before going back to Warburton Cheshire. Any assistants appreciated

Posted by jamesriding on 5th January 2015  

re Elizabeth Clayton

had a child out of wedlock, Childs name Rhoda, 18th September 1908, baptised St Aidan Church Billinge.
Abode 21 Upholland road


Posted by Eileen on 4th January 2015  mcelroye@telus.net 

Researching CLAYTON, INCE and allied families in Wigan, Hindley, Ince, Lowton in 18th, 19th and early 20th century.
Thomas CLAYTON (b. 1848, parents William and Margaret HEYES) m. Elizabeth INCE (parents Edward & Margaret HOLLAND)in 1867 at St. Catharine's Church, Scholes. Thomas was a miner, and later a clogger (shoe/ boot maker). Had 8 children:
Margaret b. 1868, married George KENYON
Walter b. 1870, d. 1880
Jonathan b. 1871, d. 1957 in Blackpool, married Ellen BOOTH. He was a butcher.
Hannah b. 1874, d. 1957 in Blackpool, married Arthur BARON
William b. 1876, d. 1958 in Canada, married Ethel BARKER
Harold James b. 1878, d. abt 1905 in Canada
Amos b. 1880, d. 1970 in Canada, married Margaret PRICE
Elizabeth b. 1885, had daughter out-of-wedlock in 1911