ishmael

hello
i am looking for decendants of a vera jane and george william ishmael, their children were richard, margaret and william.


carol x

azzurre I think these may be the ones you are looking for:

Vera Jane Gaskell: born Upholland 1900. UPHL/37/282
Vera Jane and George William Ishmael married 1920 @ St Thomas's Upholland. CE20/5/354 (Preston Registry)
Richard Ishmael born Pemberton 1921 PEM/122/382
Richard and Florence Sargent married 1943 @ Digmoor Methodist Church. Daniels Lane. Upholland. AP/21/3/20 (Preston Registry)
Margaret Ishmael born Wigan 1922 WIG(W)/2A/315
Margaret Ishmael married William Silcock 1948 @ St John's Pemberton. C22/12/354
William Ishmael born Wigan 1924 WIG(W)/4A/299.
William married Margaret Barnes 1949 @ New Longton Methodist Church (I think upholland). 319/2/15

The records for deaths have not yet been updated.
I got this information from lancashirebmd. Try it, it's amazing the amount of info you can get.
Hope it helps.

Hi there is a family of farmers called Ishmael. The farm is in Gathurst.

hello kitekat

thank you so much for the information, they are the right family.

i see you enjoy genealogy, are you doing yr family tree also.

carol x

hello annefair,

thankyou. do you know anything about the family.

i have fairhursts in my family,

carol x

Hi it looks like the people on Gathurst Road is the same family.One of them I believe is opening the new golf course near to the Vale Royal.I think I know of a grandaughter of Richard but can only confirm this in a week or so. Let me know if I can help. Anne

It is my husband's family Fairhurst who more or less all live at Bryn and Ashton.

I remember the Ishmael's farm from the early to mid 1960's, used to go for spuds and eggs, glad to hear they are still farming there.

azzurre: I started my family tree almost a year and a half ago, but just when I think I've come to the last link, up pops another. It's amazing. I've already had one reunion with three of Mam's cousins that she had only seen once, and hopefully, there's to be another reunion two weeks today with other cousins and family that Mam hadn't had regular contact with. I can't wait.

There was some Ishmaels who lived on Milton Grove in Orrell. They had a daughter called Valerie who will be in her early 50's now. Think they used to have a milk round.

azzure .you mention fairhursts in your family ,any from the pemberton area ?

hello ecmdj

they are all from pemberton.

carol x

hello anne fair

thank you for the information, i look forward to hearing from you soon.

wouldnt it be great news if they are the family i am searching for.

carol x

hello kitekat,

thats fantastic news, in such a short space of time you have found family and you are meeting up. wonderful. i hope i have the same luck and joy

carol x

good luck azzurre. keeping everything crossed.

thank you so much kitekat,

if you feel inclined to help with my tree you are more than welcome.
will keep you updated on this thread

carol x

azzure my great grandmother was a fairhurst ,buried in st johns church yard pemberton ,her name was jane she was married to thomas moss she died young 32 years of age

azzurre: we have a Gaskell in our line. She was my great great grandmother, married to Thomas McSorley in 1853. Shall see if somewhere in the line there is a connection.

Hi Carol forgot to ask are you related to the Ishmaels? Anne

hello annefair,

my grandads aunty was vera jane gaskell who married george willian ishmael, their children were richard margaret and william.

carol x

hello kitekat,

now wouldnt that be amazing
there used to mcsorley's who lived in my street when i was young, the youngest daughter was called olive.
carol x

azzure .any names of the fairhursts in your family ?

azzurre: what street would that be?

Not Genealogy, but interesting. When I worked at Orrell U.D.C. the stonemason who worked on the Ishmael's farm in the 70's told me that the timbers of the farmhouse were already second-hand when it was originally built in the 1600's,coming from broken-up Galleons.

would it be the same ishmaels that had the dairy at pemberton?

kitekat, windsor road upholland

ecmdj

esther fairhurst 1883 married arcibald wilson 1880

jane fairhurst 1859 married walter calderbank 1862

ticsmon

i am not sure yet, but i have read somewhere through the parish records for baptisms that father occupation dairy

The dairy in Pemberton is at Richmond Hill, It was owned by Richard Ishmael -- who lived in Milton Grove, Orrell -- now owned I believe by his son or daughter Valerie
and rented out, used as a joinery shop now, by a firm called Owens. the approximate postcode is WN5 8AA

Hope this helps

hello cordyline

thank you so much for yr information


carol x

Hello Carol
My grandfather was George william Ishmael, my father Richard Ishmael, my sister is Valerie. We did live in Milton Grove Orrell.

Nice to find we are related.
Regards
Derek Ishmael

hello derek
this is really lovely finding relatives no matter how distant.thankyou so much for replying.
do you know anyhing about your family history, my grandads aunty married your great grandad.
it would be lovely to meet if would like to and i can show you the gakell side of your family.

carol x

Hello Carol
Yes Ok I would like to find out more about the Gaskell side of the family. Do you have any pictures of Vera Jane? I remember Bob Gaskell quite well, he lived just off Wigan Lane. Oswald Gaskell was Steward at Up Holland Conservative club for a number of years. I do have some photos that may be of interest to you. George William Ishmael had 3 sons and 2 daughters. Richard (my father) had the milk business in Richmond Hill Pemberton, Bill was the farmer at gathurst (now retired) the farm is now run by his son David and family. John Ishmael who now lives in Knutsford. Margaret (Peggy) worked in the milk business delivering milk with a horse and cart, in Pemberton and Orrell. Betty Ishmael was a school teacher, and then Head mistress at a school in Ashton.
Carol you have also been in touch with my daughter Catherine?
Bye for now
Derek
(in sunny Orrell)

hello derek,

i guess you may think i am stalking you and your family. i am on face book and put in the name ishmael on find friends and out of the ones i found i only sent a message to catherine. since starting my family tree a few months ago i have found out quite alot,back to 1760 for gaskell's and similar on my mums side. silly but it feels like i am being shown the way.
i have no photographs of vera, sorry. were two of george wiliams children not born in upholland,
would be lovely to meet are you still local

carol x

Hello Carol

Yes i live local. It would be good to look at the information you have on the family tree.
I am not sure about 2 of George Williams children being born in Up Holland. But I can confirm that 1 was. Vera Jane went to stay with her sister for the birth.
How do i get your email address, or give you mine without giving it to everyone.

Derek..........>

hello derek,

if you like i can send my email address to your daughter on face book to her inbox.
hope you are well

carol x

Something in last nights WEP concerning Ishmaels

Link

Hello Carol
Yes if you could do that, that should work Ok
Thanks
Derek........>>

hello derek

will send it now


carol x

hello azzure
My grandparents were richard and florence ishmael my mum is valerie ishmael now known as wogan i am on facebook if you want to look me up
thanks
stuart wogan

hello derek

i have sent your daughter my email address

carol x

hello stuart

i sent request to facebook. thankyou. look forward to talking to you soon.

carol x

azzurre: believe it or not, the family you mentioned are relations.(Windsor Road) The father of young Olive was called Clifford and he was my granddad's nephew. If we keep this up we will soon find we ARE related.

hi kitekat,

blimey, joy husband a relation too, oh lets keep digging.
you never know.

hope you are well

carol x

very well, thanks. Met Granddad's elder brother's relations on Sunday. A wonderful day, and I got some photo's of Great Uncle Jack from his granddaughter Sue. Brilliant. Great uncle Jack's youngest daughter Maggie is the only one still alive, and she was there also.

thats great news kitekat, so happy for you and your family

carol x

Only got to get a proper photo of Great Aunty Beatrice now and I've got the four of them, (John Tomas, Robert, Peter and Beatrice). I'm looking for children of Beatrice Lee (nee McSorley) and Martin Lee. I can find two birth records for Martin McSorley and Joseph Lee McSorley (or it could be McSorley - Lee) but there are several others including Sarah and Norah that I can't find on the lancashirebmd. One can only assume they were born outside the district.

hi kathleen
what year were nora and sarah born ?
i found norah mcsorley marriage in 1945 groom name white in durham.

nora mcsorley born sept 1905 in morpeth (spans the boundaries of c.duram and northumberland)

there were a few more for a sarah so havent put them on, if you let me know dates.

hope this is who you are looking for

carol x

Greetings from New Zealand ...
When I was a little boy (about 55 years ago) living in Ormskirk Road, UpHolland - Ishmaels, delivered our daily milk.

azzurre: Norah and Sarah would have been Lee not McSorley. Sorry for the confusion.

my fault, it was late i was tired. sorry .
wil have another look for you.

hi again what dates are they kitekat

not sure azzurre, Sarah is still alive but I can't find out where she lives. I think her married name is Green, another name that could apply to thousands. I seem to have heard the name John Green mentioned so maybe this was her husband, but then again I have no dates. Will try to find out.

I am researching the Ishmael families war records wondered if anyone had pictures of Walter ( g williams brother)died 1916 at basra or Richard his father died 1902 at the boar war

Hello Meg
Only just seen your post, I dont have any pictures of Walter, or his father. But i do have pictures of George William, my Grandfather.
There are some pictures on this web site.
http://www.garswood.com/Richmond-Hill/page1.html

Thanks
Derek Ishmael