ishmael
hello
i am looking for decendants of a vera jane and george william ishmael, their children were richard, margaret and william.
carol x
Started: 28th Jun 2009 at 11:07
azzurre I think these may be the ones you are looking for:
Vera Jane Gaskell: born Upholland 1900. UPHL/37/282
Vera Jane and George William Ishmael married 1920 @ St Thomas's Upholland. CE20/5/354 (Preston Registry)
Richard Ishmael born Pemberton 1921 PEM/122/382
Richard and Florence Sargent married 1943 @ Digmoor Methodist Church. Daniels Lane. Upholland. AP/21/3/20 (Preston Registry)
Margaret Ishmael born Wigan 1922 WIG(W)/2A/315
Margaret Ishmael married William Silcock 1948 @ St John's Pemberton. C22/12/354
William Ishmael born Wigan 1924 WIG(W)/4A/299.
William married Margaret Barnes 1949 @ New Longton Methodist Church (I think upholland). 319/2/15
The records for deaths have not yet been updated.
I got this information from lancashirebmd. Try it, it's amazing the amount of info you can get.
Hope it helps.
Replied: 28th Jun 2009 at 11:43
Hi there is a family of farmers called Ishmael. The farm is in Gathurst.
Replied: 28th Jun 2009 at 12:14
hello kitekat
thank you so much for the information, they are the right family.
i see you enjoy genealogy, are you doing yr family tree also.
carol x
Replied: 28th Jun 2009 at 14:56
hello annefair,
thankyou. do you know anything about the family.
i have fairhursts in my family,
carol x
Replied: 28th Jun 2009 at 14:58
Hi it looks like the people on Gathurst Road is the same family.One of them I believe is opening the new golf course near to the Vale Royal.I think I know of a grandaughter of Richard but can only confirm this in a week or so. Let me know if I can help. Anne
It is my husband's family Fairhurst who more or less all live at Bryn and Ashton.
Replied: 28th Jun 2009 at 19:27
I remember the Ishmael's farm from the early to mid 1960's, used to go for spuds and eggs, glad to hear they are still farming there.
Replied: 28th Jun 2009 at 20:10
azzurre: I started my family tree almost a year and a half ago, but just when I think I've come to the last link, up pops another. It's amazing. I've already had one reunion with three of Mam's cousins that she had only seen once, and hopefully, there's to be another reunion two weeks today with other cousins and family that Mam hadn't had regular contact with. I can't wait.
Replied: 28th Jun 2009 at 20:54
There was some Ishmaels who lived on Milton Grove in Orrell. They had a daughter called Valerie who will be in her early 50's now. Think they used to have a milk round.
Replied: 28th Jun 2009 at 21:19
azzure .you mention fairhursts in your family ,any from the pemberton area ?
Replied: 28th Jun 2009 at 21:31
hello ecmdj
they are all from pemberton.
carol x
Replied: 28th Jun 2009 at 21:46
hello anne fair
thank you for the information, i look forward to hearing from you soon.
wouldnt it be great news if they are the family i am searching for.
carol x
Replied: 28th Jun 2009 at 21:49
hello kitekat,
thats fantastic news, in such a short space of time you have found family and you are meeting up. wonderful. i hope i have the same luck and joy
carol x
Replied: 28th Jun 2009 at 21:55
good luck azzurre. keeping everything crossed.
Replied: 28th Jun 2009 at 21:55
thank you so much kitekat,
if you feel inclined to help with my tree you are more than welcome.
will keep you updated on this thread
carol x
Replied: 28th Jun 2009 at 22:03
azzure my great grandmother was a fairhurst ,buried in st johns church yard pemberton ,her name was jane she was married to thomas moss she died young 32 years of age
Replied: 28th Jun 2009 at 22:27
azzurre: we have a Gaskell in our line. She was my great great grandmother, married to Thomas McSorley in 1853. Shall see if somewhere in the line there is a connection.
Replied: 29th Jun 2009 at 10:29
Hi Carol forgot to ask are you related to the Ishmaels? Anne
Replied: 29th Jun 2009 at 15:03
hello annefair,
my grandads aunty was vera jane gaskell who married george willian ishmael, their children were richard margaret and william.
carol x
Replied: 29th Jun 2009 at 18:46
hello kitekat,
now wouldnt that be amazing
there used to mcsorley's who lived in my street when i was young, the youngest daughter was called olive.
carol x
Replied: 29th Jun 2009 at 18:50
azzure .any names of the fairhursts in your family ?
Replied: 29th Jun 2009 at 18:55
azzurre: what street would that be?
Replied: 29th Jun 2009 at 22:27
Not Genealogy, but interesting. When I worked at Orrell U.D.C. the stonemason who worked on the Ishmael's farm in the 70's told me that the timbers of the farmhouse were already second-hand when it was originally built in the 1600's,coming from broken-up Galleons.
Replied: 30th Jun 2009 at 18:18
Last edited by nyce horse: 30th Jun 2009 at 23:13:39
would it be the same ishmaels that had the dairy at pemberton?
Replied: 30th Jun 2009 at 18:55
kitekat, windsor road upholland
Replied: 30th Jun 2009 at 20:34
ecmdj
esther fairhurst 1883 married arcibald wilson 1880
jane fairhurst 1859 married walter calderbank 1862
Replied: 30th Jun 2009 at 20:39
ticsmon
i am not sure yet, but i have read somewhere through the parish records for baptisms that father occupation dairy
Replied: 30th Jun 2009 at 20:41
The dairy in Pemberton is at Richmond Hill, It was owned by Richard Ishmael -- who lived in Milton Grove, Orrell -- now owned I believe by his son or daughter Valerie
and rented out, used as a joinery shop now, by a firm called Owens. the approximate postcode is WN5 8AA
Hope this helps
Replied: 30th Jun 2009 at 23:26
hello cordyline
thank you so much for yr information
carol x
Replied: 1st Jul 2009 at 07:40
Hello Carol
My grandfather was George william Ishmael, my father Richard Ishmael, my sister is Valerie. We did live in Milton Grove Orrell.
Nice to find we are related.
Regards
Derek Ishmael
Replied: 1st Jul 2009 at 22:57
hello derek
this is really lovely finding relatives no matter how distant.thankyou so much for replying.
do you know anyhing about your family history, my grandads aunty married your great grandad.
it would be lovely to meet if would like to and i can show you the gakell side of your family.
carol x
Replied: 2nd Jul 2009 at 08:26
Hello Carol
Yes Ok I would like to find out more about the Gaskell side of the family. Do you have any pictures of Vera Jane? I remember Bob Gaskell quite well, he lived just off Wigan Lane. Oswald Gaskell was Steward at Up Holland Conservative club for a number of years. I do have some photos that may be of interest to you. George William Ishmael had 3 sons and 2 daughters. Richard (my father) had the milk business in Richmond Hill Pemberton, Bill was the farmer at gathurst (now retired) the farm is now run by his son David and family. John Ishmael who now lives in Knutsford. Margaret (Peggy) worked in the milk business delivering milk with a horse and cart, in Pemberton and Orrell. Betty Ishmael was a school teacher, and then Head mistress at a school in Ashton.
Carol you have also been in touch with my daughter Catherine?
Bye for now
Derek
(in sunny Orrell)
Replied: 2nd Jul 2009 at 20:46
hello derek,
i guess you may think i am stalking you and your family. i am on face book and put in the name ishmael on find friends and out of the ones i found i only sent a message to catherine. since starting my family tree a few months ago i have found out quite alot,back to 1760 for gaskell's and similar on my mums side. silly but it feels like i am being shown the way.
i have no photographs of vera, sorry. were two of george wiliams children not born in upholland,
would be lovely to meet are you still local
carol x
Replied: 2nd Jul 2009 at 21:05
Hello Carol
Yes i live local. It would be good to look at the information you have on the family tree.
I am not sure about 2 of George Williams children being born in Up Holland. But I can confirm that 1 was. Vera Jane went to stay with her sister for the birth.
How do i get your email address, or give you mine without giving it to everyone.
Derek..........>
Replied: 5th Jul 2009 at 18:35
hello derek,
if you like i can send my email address to your daughter on face book to her inbox.
hope you are well
carol x
Replied: 7th Jul 2009 at 08:37
Something in last nights WEP concerning Ishmaels
Link
Replied: 7th Jul 2009 at 10:51
Hello Carol
Yes if you could do that, that should work Ok
Thanks
Derek........>>
Replied: 7th Jul 2009 at 13:02
hello derek
will send it now
carol x
Replied: 7th Jul 2009 at 14:15
hello azzure
My grandparents were richard and florence ishmael my mum is valerie ishmael now known as wogan i am on facebook if you want to look me up
thanks
stuart wogan
Replied: 8th Jul 2009 at 14:34
hello derek
i have sent your daughter my email address
carol x
Replied: 9th Jul 2009 at 09:51
hello stuart
i sent request to facebook. thankyou. look forward to talking to you soon.
carol x
Replied: 9th Jul 2009 at 09:53
azzurre: believe it or not, the family you mentioned are relations.(Windsor Road) The father of young Olive was called Clifford and he was my granddad's nephew. If we keep this up we will soon find we ARE related.
Replied: 10th Jul 2009 at 15:53
hi kitekat,
blimey, joy husband a relation too, oh lets keep digging.
you never know.
hope you are well
carol x
Replied: 14th Jul 2009 at 17:22
very well, thanks. Met Granddad's elder brother's relations on Sunday. A wonderful day, and I got some photo's of Great Uncle Jack from his granddaughter Sue. Brilliant. Great uncle Jack's youngest daughter Maggie is the only one still alive, and she was there also.
Replied: 15th Jul 2009 at 13:59
thats great news kitekat, so happy for you and your family
carol x
Replied: 16th Jul 2009 at 09:27
Only got to get a proper photo of Great Aunty Beatrice now and I've got the four of them, (John Tomas, Robert, Peter and Beatrice). I'm looking for children of Beatrice Lee (nee McSorley) and Martin Lee. I can find two birth records for Martin McSorley and Joseph Lee McSorley (or it could be McSorley - Lee) but there are several others including Sarah and Norah that I can't find on the lancashirebmd. One can only assume they were born outside the district.
Replied: 16th Jul 2009 at 15:12
hi kathleen
what year were nora and sarah born ?
i found norah mcsorley marriage in 1945 groom name white in durham.
nora mcsorley born sept 1905 in morpeth (spans the boundaries of c.duram and northumberland)
there were a few more for a sarah so havent put them on, if you let me know dates.
hope this is who you are looking for
carol x
Replied: 17th Jul 2009 at 00:07
Greetings from New Zealand ...
When I was a little boy (about 55 years ago) living in Ormskirk Road, UpHolland - Ishmaels, delivered our daily milk.
Replied: 17th Jul 2009 at 00:42
azzurre: Norah and Sarah would have been Lee not McSorley. Sorry for the confusion.
Replied: 17th Jul 2009 at 07:45
my fault, it was late i was tired. sorry .
wil have another look for you.
Replied: 17th Jul 2009 at 08:18
hi again what dates are they kitekat
Replied: 17th Jul 2009 at 08:21
not sure azzurre, Sarah is still alive but I can't find out where she lives. I think her married name is Green, another name that could apply to thousands. I seem to have heard the name John Green mentioned so maybe this was her husband, but then again I have no dates. Will try to find out.
Replied: 17th Jul 2009 at 13:55
I am researching the Ishmael families war records wondered if anyone had pictures of Walter ( g williams brother)died 1916 at basra or Richard his father died 1902 at the boar war
Replied: 30th May 2014 at 11:51
Hello Meg
Only just seen your post, I dont have any pictures of Walter, or his father. But i do have pictures of George William, my Grandfather.
There are some pictures on this web site.
http://www.garswood.com/Richmond-Hill/page1.html
Thanks
Derek Ishmael
Replied: 20th Dec 2014 at 21:23