In search of VITALI

I am trying to trace my family history and have come to a standstill. I have found out that my great granfather emigrated to Wigan from Italy but I don't know why how or when. His name is Emmanuel VITALI and he lived in Newtown. He is listed in the 1891 Census as a Fine Art Dealer with country of origin Italy.He married a lady from Wrightington by the name of Alice in 1885. He would have been 24years old at this time. Is there anyone who can advise me how to find out when he arrived in England and from where in Italy he may have come from? I am curious as to why anyone would move from Italy to Wigan - as lovely as Wigan is. My imagination is running wild with possibilities such as he stole a piece of valuable art and was on the run!
Hopefully someone can help.

Give the History Shop a try. Tell them what you are looking for and they will point you in the right direction. They have records (upstairs in the building) for all kinds of things.If it is a busy time I think you have to make an appointment to look through files. Hope you have some success.

I knew / know a Max Vitali from Wigan: probably one of the best jazz guitarists I have ever heard - think he was/ is a graphic designer for WMBC - could be worth a shout?

There are two entries on the 2005 electoral roll for Vitali, both living on the northern side of Wigan. Both female.
There is one other entry for the north west, in Prestwich in Manchester.

Thank you to all for suggestions on trying to find immigration records for my great grandfather Emmanuele Vitali born in Italy 1862 and married in Wigan 1885, however I live in Sydney Australia making my search a little more difficult.

Hi Cmooney type in www.Curious Fox and look at that it is very good Ihave found it very helpful in finding people and my research goes back to 1490 and it only cost 5 pounds ==10 dollars per year to get replies sent to you , you never know there may be someone else looking for your name sake . if you get lost in it they are very helpful best of luck let me know how you get on

Hello I have found a EGIDEO Vitali b 1855 could be a brother to Emmanuel b 1862 and the Scource of information address is 21 Brecknock Crescent Middsex, London
Family History Library ref no 1341046
Public record office RG 11
Folio 9210/86
Page 4
hope this helps ==He was a Wine merchant

if the above doesnt help try typing in Public Immagfation records UK to search will cost you about for one yr 28dollars

Hi would this be of any use

1891 England Census
about Emanuel Vitali
Name: Emanuel Vitali
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Alice
Gender: Male
Where born: Italy

Civil Parish: Pemberton
Ecclesiastical parish: Pemberton St John
Town: Newtown
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: 378 Ormskirk Rd

Occupation: Picture Framer Car_e

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Wigan
Sub registration district: Pemberton
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Annie Oconnor 15
Alice Vitali 26
Emanuel Vitali 30
Emma C Vitali 1
Maximilian Vitali 5

1901 England Census
about Emanuele Vitale
Name: Emanuele Vitale
[Emanuele Vitali]
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Maria
Gender: Male
Where born: Ita Italian, Cht D

Civil Parish: Pemberton
Ecclesiastical parish: Pemberton St Mark
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: 325 Ormskirk Rd

Occupation: Fine Arts Dealer

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Wigan
Sub registration district: Pemberton
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 51
Household Members: Name Age
Emanuele Vitale 39
Eugene Vitale 11
Louis Vitale 6
Maria Vitale 31
Maximilian Vitale 14
Oswald Vitale 4

C mooney where are you as not seen any replies to what people have found for you

I do appreciate suggestions made by everyone. Thank you. I have the census details already from 1891. That was easy to find. What I really want to know is where in Italy Emmanuel came from and when he went to Wigan. Did he go as an adult or with his family as a young child?? This information I can't find from the census. I have a contact in Rome who is persuing some avenues. I will get around to trying some of the suggestions made during the school holidays when I have a bit of time up my sleeve. Thanks again to everyone.

Whilst researching in the History Shop, Wigan, today, I came across the following:
WIGAN OBSERVER: 11 May 1918.
"Wigan Italian's son wounded":
Mr. Emanuel Vitali, who is well-known in Wigan, has received information that his son, Oswald, who was erroneously reported as "died of wounds", is at present a patient in Prestwich (Military) Hospital suffering from a shrapnel injury in the leg. Vitali was educated at St. Cuthbert's School, Pemberton, and worked in the Post Office at Upholland. He enlisted in the Dragoon Guards and has seen 3 years service. Mr. Vitali's 3 other sons are fighting for King and Country." There is a photo of Oswald included.

Heritagelass. if ever you come across any information on a William Fergus O'conner (not always using the O Conner) serving in the N'land Fuseliers in Ireland in 1880-85 and died there through drowning in the Portobella Basin , Grand Canal . on second of February 1885 I have his death Certificate from the Dublin Coroner but they seem very unwilling to tell me if they rescued him and where he is buried --or was he just left there , I have sent numerous letters to Ireland search cemetarys contacted the Wigan cemetaries and --nothing so if by chance anyone sees anything please let me know I would be eternally grateful , sorry to intrude on the thread

Hi I believe your Great Grandfather is my Great Grandfather. He was a fine arts dealer and picture framer. Max Vitali is my cousin, our fathers were brothers (both deceased),Arthur Emmanuel and Ernest Maximilian. Our Great Grandfather's family had property in Milan and Lake Como.

Given the usual surname the following are listed in the Wigan BMD marriage reocrds :-
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference Year
VITALI Emanuel SMITH Alice Wigan, Register Office or Registrar Attended Wigan & Leigh ROW/62/19 1885

VITALI Emanuel DUNWELL Maria Wigan, Register Office or Registrar Attended Wigan & Leigh ROW/87/85 1893

VITALI Maximillian James CRACKLES Elsie Wigan, Register Office or Registrar Attended Wigan & Leigh ROW/138/49 1915

VITALI Oswald WILDING Annid Wigan, Register Office or Registrar Attended Wigan & Leigh ROW/153/22 1920

VITALI Louis LOWE Elizabeth Ellen Wigan, Register Office or Registrar Attended Wigan & Leigh ROW/164/107 1926

VITALI Lucia EVERY James Alexander Wigan, Register Office or Registrar Attended Wigan & Leigh ROW/11A/73 1942

VITALI Maximilian Ernest BIRCHALL Joyce Mary St. Wilfred,Standish Wigan & Leigh C28/9/112 1950

Heritagelass thankyou so much for your information! It is most useful. Oswald was my grandfather. I did know him as a child and very much appreciate this information-thank you again!

blugirl please make contact - it seems we might be related. Email cmooney@bigpond.net.au

Johnnyseven thank you! I have some of this info but I had no surnames of the women that the VITAL men married. Everything is starting to come together. Thanks!

Thanks to everyone who posted information regarding my search. It was much appreciated and I have found out a lot about my family piecing together all your contributions. Many thanks again.

Sandra, can you please tell me where you get all this brilliant information from.

Sorry this is a bit of a hijack here but Blu Girl if you see Max could you pass on my best wishes?

Met him via Johnny Kay in the 80's and then later on at Trencherfield when he was working as a graphic designer for the metro! Thanks

Just been reading through the book 'Living and Working in Wigan (Listing Wigan Photographers 1850-1925)'
by John Hannavy & Chris Ryan.

Page 62 lists Emmanuele Vitali, 41 Wallgate, Wigan.
Evidently photographers also did other work (one was a confectioner as well!) and since Emmanuele was a picture framer & carver on the 1891 census it would seem logical.

Thanks. I will follow this up though I'm not confident of finding a copy of this book anywhere in Sydney though I shall certainly try. Many thanks

There is a Vitalli connection at the Picture-Framing shop at Bryn.

I have a friend in Standish, near Wigan by the name of Vitali, her deceased husband's name was Lawrence.

Hi cmoony

the book is listed Here though Smiths bookshop no longer deal in anything as useful as books!

It's on amazon for £6.90 - the ISBN is: ISBN 0 9510680 16

just been looking with Google for Italy B M D and found a Vittalli in Palermo there are various sites to go on if you put this in Google some you have to pay about 9 dollars but others are free ==www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient

Am getting further ahead with the family search thanks to all the wonderful people who have helped with snippets on this site. Thank you all. I have found several cousins which is a great reason to make a trip back to WIgan in the near future.

Hello again,

Your grandfather, Oswald, is named on the beautiful illuminated WW1 Roll of Honour for all those employees around Wigan district who served and died.
If you get to Wigan, you might like to arrange to see it.
It continues to be respectfully cared for for by the post office authorities in Wigan.

post office memorial

Just had a long overdue visit back to Wigan World to find more information. Thanks so much to cath476 for the photo of the Post Office Memorial - it is truly beautiful. I have found and made contact with my cousin Max - thanks to everyone. Couldn't have done it without you!
Hope everyone has a fabulous Christmas - it's feels like its going to be a hot one in the land down under.

You're very welcome - Merry Christmas!

Hi
My name is Liz McKortel( ne: Foster)I hope you are still on this site. Only just found it.
Emmanuelle was my Great Grandfather too!!! My mum is Maria Vitali ( Now Foster). It is my dad Bill Foster that owns the picture framing shop in Brynn.
My mum had 2 brothers Lawrence Vitali who passed away several years ago. His wife Kathleen ( My Aunty!) and daughter Jacqueline Vitali live in Standish.
My Uncle Louis Vitali passed away a couple of years ago..he had 2 sons Steve Vitali who is retired from the navy and lives in Weymouth and Paul Vitali who is married with 2 kids and lives in Cirencester.
Steve has also been doing a lot of research into the family history.
The family are from Lake Como and Max Vitali ( Who has recently made contact with my Mum) has sent some beautiful photos of the area where the family are from.
My Grandad Vitali was a tailor in Newtown
I know of 2 cousins Lucia Vital and Tina Vital who I went to school with but dont know of their whereabouts.
Steve and Paul visited lake Como with Louis before he died about 3 years ago and found out more information.
Would love to hear back from you.
Love Liz. x

Hello Liz

The person who started this thread cmooney left their email address check the message 20th Sep 2008 at 15:40 hopefully it is still being used

Hi Frances
Thanks for that!! Will send her an E mail.
I love this site..its amazing. was really excited getting a reply!!! Thanks ever so much!!
Love Liz. x

Hello Liz

Did you manage to contact the originator of this post

Hi Frances
Making yet another overdue visit to WiganWorld to see your post. Liz did make contact - thank you. I have found so many relatives from this site its amazing.

Thanks everyone.
Now trying to find out about my mother's side of the family.
JARVIS was her name and the family lived in Worsley Mesnes.

Cheers

Hi Chris, its Ken again. I am not sure as it is a long time ago but I think when Breyl met Sid he lived on Poolstock Lane not too far away

Hi again!! So much information on here its amazing!!
I met up with Christine Mooney through this website..My Mum who is the Vitali is so pleased with all this information.
However, there is something I am trying to trace and hope someone can help.
My great grandad Emanuelle Vitali had a shop 30,Victoria Buildings, King Street. Picture Frame Manufacturer.
The sign for the shop was on display in Wigan Pier in a Frame.
When the museum closed we tried to buy the picture but with no success.
can anyone help?
Cheers
Liz x

Might be worth contacting the History Shop