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Wallgate streets and families
Started by: cherryandwhite (548) Report abuse
Does anyone remember a street somewhere in wallgate called brown street, used to be a family called Keeley who used to know my parents. Have also been asked to mention a pub called the "Ropemakers" they used to drink in. The other streets surrounding Brown Street were Lyon Street and Clayton Street. All of the Keeley family attended St Josephs RC school and were members of St Josephs church.

Posted by: kenny (inactive) Report abuse
CHERRYANDWHITE
THE ONLY STREET I CAN DEFINATELY REMEMBER WAS CLAYTON ST. ITS WERE FORDS SHOWROOM IS NOW,AGES AGO ON THE CORNER OF THE MAIN ROAD AND CLAYTON ST WAS A PUB CALLEDTHE GRAPES,A LAD WHO WENT TO OUR SCHOOL RAY FOSTER,HIS PARENTS HAD IT,I THINK,AND ON THE FIRST BEND IN CLAYTON ST WAS A LIITLE DIVE CALLED THE BUCK I'TH VINE,I USED TO WORK RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO IT AT BOOTHS ENGINEERING

Posted by: cherryandwhite (548) Report abuse
Hi Kenny are you sure you spelled the name of the pub right? "Buck ith Vine"!

Posted by: kenny (inactive) Report abuse
95% SURE MATE,IT WAS A WHILE AGO IT WAS PULLED DOWN,ABOUT 20 YEARS OR SO

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
Clayton Street.Lyon Street and Great George St. ran off wallgate in that order.Brown Street ran between Great George Street and Clayton street crossing over Lyon Street.We walked through these old streets on our way to school across Wallgate into Caroline Street,where there would be a bobby on duty at the zebra crossing.

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
About 1950,at the corner of Wallgate and Lyon Street there was a cake shop that sold cakes at one penny farthing each.Allthough farthings were still plentifull they were no longer in use and so we bought 2 cakes for tuppence halfpenny.

Posted by: İartİ (6152) Report abuse
cherryandwhite, try this

Posted by: prince (1411) Report abuse
I wouldnt have believed it until I saw it how did they come up with a name like that?

Posted by: İartİ (6152) Report abuse
Buck in the Vine, spelled Wigan style
Bird i'th Hand, Bird in the Hand, another name for four pubs in the Wigan area, one of 'em known as "Th'en'ole"
The one in the pic was commonly known as "T'Whitewash"

Posted by: daniel (217)  Report abuse
My family used to live at 13 Brown Street in 1891 those were the Rourkes at the same time next door at 15 the flemings used to live there. Later in life these families came together with the marriage of who became my great grandparents.
Hardly anything exists now on Brown Street no houses anyway just the odd small factory. Its very small in length anyway unless it was any longer in the owden days. Maybe it continued accross Clayton Street into what is now the Ford Showroom?

Posted by: cath476 (867)  Report abuse
Daniel,
i have been looking up the flemings in brown strret just this morning for a lady through genes reunited.she is the grandaughter of mary e fleming, please can you tell me how you are connected and if you have any info.
thanks

Posted by: pnicholson (inactive) Report abuse
@art@ how do you inswert a photo?

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
The old town streets were very sectarian.There were definite C.of E. streets and definite R.C. streets although I cannot recall any serious confrontations with the two main religions.For example York street was predominantly C.of E. whilst Gt. George St.was definitely R.C.I often wonder how this came about in the first place.Was it by choice or what?

Posted by: annefair (872) Report abuse
Hi Dave I lived in Edith Street which was off Miry Lane but I never knew that about the religious aspect.Anne

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
Hi annefair.I remember Edith Street opposite a pub and near the chippy.I think either the Shufflebotoms or the Stazickers lived next to the pub.Some streets were clearly defined but some a bit of a religous mixture.The chips and wet peas were delicious.

Posted by: daniel (217)  Report abuse
Cath476. Mary E Fleming was my Great Grandad's sister. Have you been talking to Wendy? If so me and her have shared all our information before and not got much further on since then. If not Wendy then I will let you know my email address and we can discuss further.

Posted by: maddy (1691)   Report abuse
does anyone remember the lavins that lived in queen street a L O N G time ago?

Posted by: cath476 (867)  Report abuse
daniel,
yes its wendy, thanks anyway.

Posted by: minstrel (128) Report abuse
Being an Aspuller I don't know much about the area, but I remember going to Wigan Boys Club in Clayton Street in the early 1950s when I joined the Wigan Boys Club Band. happy days.

Posted by: İartİ (6152) Report abuse
Clayton St School, was where school leaving mining recruits were trained in theory (I was one) in the 50's. Sept to Nov 1953 was my time.

Posted by: bluechieftain2 (inactive) Report abuse
Who remembers Nellie Davey's chipshop on t'corner of Miry Lane and Leeds Street? Opposite Belchambers grocers and Joe Morris's garage?

Posted by: bluechieftain2 (inactive) Report abuse
Who remembers Nellie Davey's chipshop on t'corner of Miry Lane and Leeds Street? Opposite Belchambers grocers and Joe Morris's garage?

Posted by: annefair (872) Report abuse
Hi Dave and Bluechief I remember both Bellchambers shop and the chippy well also the Stazikers and Shufflebottams.I went to St.Thomas's school in Caroline Street.Anne

Posted by: bluechieftain2 (inactive) Report abuse
Annefair, were there families called McHugh or Prescott living in Edith Dtreet when you were there?

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
We seemed to have shared the same experiences in our childhood annefair.I was at St.Thomas's from 1948 to 1953 and the good memories get clearer as I get older.Problem is I can't remember what I did last week.

Posted by: annefair (872) Report abuse
Bluechieftan sorry i do not remember those names.I lived their until about 1960.

Posted by: annefair (872) Report abuse
Hi Dave I think that we must have missed one another at St.Thomas's as I was born in 1949 so would have started school around 1953 I think.

Posted by: danni (inactive) Report abuse
The old town streets were very sectarian.There were definite C.of E. streets and definite R.C. streets although I cannot recall any serious confrontations with the two main religions.For example York street was predominantly C.of E. whilst Gt. George St.was definitely R.C.I often wonder how this came about in the first place.Was it by choice or what?

my great gran lived in gt george street and she was c of e

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
Hope your memories are as good as mine annefair.Do you remember the factory girls sitting at the loading bay in Miry Lane on a sunny day and the deliveries of raw cotton that blew everywhere.

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
Hi art,I went to nursery then later in the 50's to Sunday School at Clayton Street school.I can recall looking at the 'Bevin Boys' diagrams on the blackboard and all the young pit trainees going in there during the week.

Posted by: annefair (872) Report abuse
Yes I do and also remember hearing the whistles at home time and the smell of the cotton near to my grandma's down near Eckersley's factory.There was a big wooden door and I used to like looking through the gaps at the machinery or better still having a good look when it was open!I also used to meet my dad from work when he worked at Vulcanite just over Seven Stars bridge.Did you go on any of the 'club trips'to Southport?

Posted by: bentlegs (3936) Report abuse
my cousin married the daughter of the landlord of the rope makers in caroline st, in the early 60s.iv'e had a few pints in there .

Posted by: marken (345) Report abuse
I remember the smell from Gallagher's when they opened the boilers.

Posted by: johnnyseven (299) Report abuse
Kenny,

I didn't know you worked at Booth's. I was at Fords 71-74. The landlady of the Buck was Ellen Picton.

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
Gallagher's I believe,supplied intestines to the local butchers for sausage making.There were piles of wet sloppy inards on the floor and one of the girls would find an end,attach it to a pipe and send pressurised steam through the length of it,straightening it out like water through a hosepipe.We used to go there for big maggots for our fishing lines and there were entire walls covered in huge blue bottles.You got used to the horrible smell which drifted all over town on some days.

Posted by: bluechieftain2 (inactive) Report abuse
I remember the smell of Gallagher's, especially on a hot day. I also remember Mrs Baxter living in Leeds St, or maybe Swann St. The pub on the corner was Uncle Tom's Cabin, run by Joe Walker and his wife Doris. They were very well thought of. The chippy opposite was run by Nellie Davey.

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
The chippie in Prescott Street was Mrs Dyke and her son Freddie (I think) was one of the local bobbies.A very friendly and well respected chap.

Posted by: cath476 (867)  Report abuse
johnny
my grandad worked at fords. andrew (andy) ryan, do you remember him? he went on to be steward at the subscription bowling club in park crescent west with my nana ethel.

Posted by: 1934granada (inactive) Report abuse
My wifes grandfather lived in Victoria street Wallgate, his name was William Lynch. He married Agnes Christy who lived off Wallgate somewhere possibly near St Thomas's. Doe's anyone recall them?

Posted by: toto 1 (37) Report abuse
What a great picture of the Whitewash l lived opposite it and can remember going there as a kid to have a jug filled for my Dad...!we lived at no.39 Clayton St....Tighe was our last name and McHugh was my mams maiden name.There was 7 of us kids then we moved toa posh new house in Marsh Green in the late 50's l think.Anyone remember any of us ??

Posted by: toto 1 (37) Report abuse
What a great picture of the Whitewash l lived opposite it and can remember going there as a kid to have a jug filled for my Dad...!we lived at no.39 Clayton St....Tighe was our last name and McHugh was my mams maiden name.There was 7 of us kids then we moved toa posh new house in Marsh Green in the late 50's l think.Anyone remember any of us ??

Posted by: kenny (inactive) Report abuse
JOHNNY7
I WORKED AT BOOTHS IN THE 80'S ABOUT 83/84
THE PLACE NEXT TO THE BUCK WAS BEING WOUND DOWN AT THE TIME,AND I WORKED MAINLY AT THEIR NEW WORKSHOP ON MIRY LANE,ITS A CAR SALES THESE DAYS OPPOSITE THE PEUGOET GARAGE

Posted by: 1934granada (inactive) Report abuse
Toto1. I know a Stan Tighe from Beech Hill. Any relation to you?

Posted by: pnicholson (inactive) Report abuse
1934Granda, hiya I know Stan Tighe very well. Everytime I come back to England I have a beer with him and Terry Hollingsworth in the Last Orders.

Posted by: 1934granada (inactive) Report abuse
Hi Pnicholson. I know Terry well, he gave me a lift home in his taxi a couple of weeks ago. I'd been in the Moon with him. Do you know Jimmy and Brian Brady? They sometimes go in the last orders, they know Terry also.

Posted by: toto 1 (37) Report abuse
hi 1934 Granada.... yea Stans my big brother, we were there in the UK for his b.day last year in the Moon and Last Orders too.lm living in Canada now for the last 30yrs.You'll have to say ello to him for me ..!!!

Posted by: johnnyseven (299) Report abuse
Cath
Sorry I can't recall your grandad, what years did he work there.

Posted by: cath476 (867)  Report abuse
johnny
sorry dont know, it was before i was born. his brother was the wigan and gt.britain RL player martin ryan.

Posted by: johnnyseven (299) Report abuse
Cath,

Sorry but I think your Grandad must have worked before I joined when it was Harry Williams. The only rugby player who worked at Ford's when I was there was "Big" Bill Francis, who played for Wigan and St Helens

Posted by: daviessb (64) Report abuse
A lot of my dad's side live behind Wallgate on Leeds St, Mill St, Clayton St and Pitt Street. And across the road in Melborne St.
There names were MOORE, BIRCH and DAVIES.
My Dad Bernard BIRCH worked in Vulcanite I think in the 50's and 60's

Posted by: daniel (217)  Report abuse
daviesb were exactly was melbourne street was it were staples is now? My Grandma (Flemings)came from Melbourne Street No.29

Posted by: zacck (46) Report abuse
All my family came from wallgate.Lannon and Fitzgerald, were their names, I was born in Mason street, My mum had 14 brothers and sisters, and they all lived in and around wallgate until the late 60's early 70's.

Posted by: patricia (112) Report abuse
Hi Annefair i went to St Thomas,s and was also born in 1949, i lived in Caroline St facing the Ropemakers arms maybe we knew one another.

Posted by: annefair (872) Report abuse
Hi Patricia my maiden name was Wareing,my grandma lived in Chapel Street which was off Caroline Street.Her name was Cayzer.My brother is David.Does it ring any bells?

Posted by: wiganyankeeron (2874) Report abuse
Hi Cath, I knew your grandfather and grandmother very well when they were stewards at the Subscription club also your uncle Martin Ryan. I lost contact with them when they moved to Blackpool and I believe you grandfather got dementia shortly after moving there? I went in the Subscription club on Friday nights and I always had a good chat to him about rugby. He played for Warrington and Martin played for Wigan. Also Martin would talk for ever about his Rugby playing days. I was an avid listener as he would tell tales of the tour to Australia just after the war. Also his time playing for Wigan.

Posted by: cath476 (867)  Report abuse
hi,
i'll tell my nana i've been speaking to you, she still lives in cleveleys (she was 80 last year) and she is very well. she's on holiday on the isle of wight at the moment. my grandad had a couple of strokes in the late 90's and lived the last 7 years of his life in a nursing home. (he died in 2003) it was very sad. the last of the ryan siblings, my auntie norah died last week, the end of an era! she was married to bill hitchmough, don't know if you knew them. uncle martin was a gentleman and he was always good fun, i remember him singing at family parties (there were many of those in park crescent west!)auntie eunice is still around, i saw her just last week.anyway, nice to know somebody remembers them, they loved their time at the sub club and i know they made many good friends!

Posted by: empress (9660)   Report abuse
ZACK
My grandmother was a fitzgerald, Catherine was her first name also from same area.

Posted by: İartİ (6152) Report abuse
cath476.
Here's a pic of Martin Ryan, in a lighter mood. Playing a vicar, performing a wedding in the Old Pear Tree, Frog Lane.
Martin & Eunice were friends of mine


Posted by: cath476 (867)  Report abuse
LOL! thanks art, yes that is just how i remember uncle martin, he certainly was the "life and soul". i know they had many good times in the pear tree.did you know the other ryan brothers and their sister?

Posted by: pnicholson (inactive) Report abuse
Hello Cath, my mother is over here in Switzerland and she told me to tell you she knew Martin Ryan and his wafe Eunice. She also knew Nora, Tommy and Andy Ryan. She says sorry to hear about your aunty Nora, she had many good times in the Pear Tree with your family. She is over here at the moment, because other members of my family wont go and see her (too much trouble) but she still has all her faculties and sense of humour.

Posted by: cath476 (867)  Report abuse
thanks, what is your mother's name? i will pass on her condolences at the funeral on friday.

Posted by: pnicholson (inactive) Report abuse
Forgot to say a big thank-you to the people who actually DO GO and see (shop, clean) for my mother when she is alone in Wigan, including Billy Hinnigan, Joe Fairclough, Terry Holingsworth, Big Steve Smith from Beech Hill and most of all Shirley Comnnelly, without the help of these people would not know what to do. Spirit of good neighbours still alivev in Wigan.

Posted by: pnicholson (inactive) Report abuse
Hello Cath, my mothers name is Nicholson maiden name was Winnie Cahir (pronounced car)and she is very sad to hear about your auntie Nora. My mother lives in Fitzadanm Street (just behind the pear tree)and I try to get over and bring her back to Switzerland at least four times a year, but its getting more difficult because of her age (88) thats is why I am so gratefull to friends and neighbours for helping out. My brother has not been down to see her for more than three years and I think I will have to move back to the UK for the last years of her life. But at the moment she is off watching the falcan racing in the mountains. All the best Paul and Winnie

Posted by: keno (2840)  Report abuse
My Grandparents name was Morley they lived In Miry Lane,The lads name where Mick Tony ,Tom the girls Margret Mary also the Sheridans lived with them .And the McMahons .
My Grandparents where killed by a bus on the NEWTOWN SIDE OF THE BRIDGE near station.

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
Do you remember the countless number of small shops in the back streets of Wigan.In York Street we had a butchers (Baxendales),an off licence (Tyldeslys),Mrs Griffiths who ran a little shop from her home and Fairhursts the general grocers,also a cycle shop (would you believe it) Cunninghams, who sold electrical goods and batteries.Everything you needed was just a few steps away from your own front door.

Posted by: cath476 (867)  Report abuse
Paul and winnie,
thank you for your good wishes, i have printed off your posts and i will give them to auntie norah's daughter brenda on friday.it will be a very sad day, as she is the last of all the siblings but i know there will be many people there to pay their respects to such a kind gentle lovely lady.

Posted by: daniel (217)  Report abuse
Norah as a good lady. I will be there at the funeral on Friday.

Posted by: İartİ (6152) Report abuse
pnicholson, any relation to Jimmy,big lad, wore specs & was a regular in't Pear Tree
Thought I recognised the lady with you in the album (you in the rugby shirt?)

Posted by: cath476 (867)  Report abuse
thanks daniel

Posted by: patricia (112) Report abuse
Hi Annefair your name does ring a bell, but cant put any faces to the name, my maiden name is Farrimond i had relations with the same name living in Chapel St your grandmother will for sure know my parents. I also worked at Eckersleys Factory, can you name a some of them in your class at St Thomas.

Posted by: annefair (872) Report abuse
Hi Patricia some names are George Knowles and Stephen Bond.The girls I can't remember all that well as I am confusing them with the ones I went to school with at St.Marks's Newtown.I was born in October so I was one of the oldest in my class.Do you have any names and I will see if they mean anything to me?

Posted by: pnicholson (inactive) Report abuse
Hi İartİ, that used to be my brother. The big lad in the photo is my son and the aldy is my mother. Brother used to drink in the Pear tree, but now lives somewhere in Kitt green and hasnt contacted my mother in years. His loss!

Posted by: prince (1411) Report abuse
Hi Paul, give me a bell sometime and keep on looking after your mum, as you say its your brothers loss (Tosser)Say hello to Winnie for us and tell her Leslie still can't make potato cakes or tripe.
All the best Mark.

Posted by: pnicholson (inactive) Report abuse
Hi İartİ (again) how do you insert a photo to go with your message?

Posted by: billyh (947)  Report abuse
hi p nicholson heard your jimmy works heinz he is now a manager ther should spend more time looking towards helpping your mother also his mother he should be ashamed of himself not been to see her for two years one day he will regret it when its to late what a wonderfull lady he is missing out on

Posted by: prince (1411) Report abuse
Hiya Billy, Amen to that. I met Winnie in Switzerland and she has a wicked sense of humour. A realy nice old lady. Very proud of Wigan and black puddings ugh!
Her son should be ashamed of himself, I am going to boycot Heinz beans in protest and switch to tripe. Only joking, but it is a sad situation for the old lady.

Posted by: pnicholson (inactive) Report abuse
Billy good to hear from you, hope the operation went well, are you back at work?
Thanks for the kind words, I appreciate all you do for my mum and your quite right about regrets, but then it will be to late. Look after yoursel and give my regards to Margerite

Posted by: İartİ (6152) Report abuse
<quote>Hi İartİ (again) how do you insert a photo to go with your message? </quote>
First you need to upload the pic from your PC to the internet via a free hosting site like Photobucket or one of the others.
Then from there, the instructions are at the foot of this column (where the little figure is dancing)

Posted by: pnicholson (inactive) Report abuse
İartİ Have managed to upload to photobucket, but do not understand the subsequent instructions. Can you alleviate?

Posted by: pnicholson (inactive) Report abuse
[IMG]http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z5/pnicholson_2007/steaknight071.jpg[/IMG]

Posted by: pnicholson (inactive) Report abuse
[IMG]http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z5/pnicholson_2007/steaknight071-1.jpg[/IMG]

Posted by: cherryandwhite (548) Report abuse
pnicholson, if your brother is called James and works at Heinz, then your better off without him coming around, the man obviously has no self esteem, good riddance I say!

Posted by: İartİ (6152) Report abuse
Needs re-sizing, dunnit

Posted by: annefair (872) Report abuse
Hi Where was this pic taken?

Posted by: İartİ (6152) Report abuse
So that it doesn't automatically come up a pic, I'll change the square brackets[] to normal ones() OK?
Following the instructions below:

(img="http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z5/pnicholson_2007/steaknight071.jpg")(/img)

Do the same thing exactly,including the =" & " beginning & ending the url NO GAPS

Posted by: pnicholson (inactive) Report abuse
Hi İartİ thanks very much, dont think I will try to post a photo again its too complicated. The photo was taken outside my home and shows my son in a Wigan shirt that his grandmother had brought over. She comes over here 5 times a year and she's now 88 years old. Thanks again İartİ

Posted by: zacck (46) Report abuse
Empress
I don't knoe if it is the same person, but Catherine (aunty Katie) as I new her lived in Miry Lane, had brthers John,Joe,David,Edward,Paddy, Sisters Helen,Maggie Fitzgerald.
you never know we might be related?

Zacck

Posted by: winnie (731)   Report abuse
does anyone remember the moran family from that area from the 30s onwards

Posted by: patricia (112) Report abuse
Hi Anne fair here are a few of the names in my class at St Thomas,s, Yvonne Edwards, Margaret Farrimond, Carol Astin, Alec Farrimond, Betty Smith do you remember any of them.

Posted by: annefair (872) Report abuse
Hi Patricia I know Yvonne Edwards but not the others you must have been in the year above me.I see Yvonne occasionally as she lives quite close.

Posted by: empress (9660)   Report abuse
Hi Zack will have to ask my mam tomorrow if those are relations, she was called Kitty by our lot (katie), she married a John Derbyshire ,she was widowed young and remarried a Ted who I knew as my grandparent.My mum is her daughter Irene , then theres Edward John(1st marriage) and David from 2nd marriage, ring any bells?

Posted by: coccium (2561)   Report abuse
annefair,could that George Knowles have lived in Caroline Street?could he be 57years old now?

Posted by: marken (345) Report abuse
Dave Marsh.With regard to the shops in York St. The electrical shop was I think Whittles
Joe Cunningham, who lived there was married to Bert Whittles sister Agnes.

Posted by: linda (170)  Report abuse
Hi Bluechieftain 2
Mrs Baxter was my grandmother and she lived in Swan St we use to visit her on Saturdays and go to the chippy near there
she also use to go to the pub Uncle tom cabin with her sister in law Bella
Linda

Posted by: zacck (46) Report abuse
Empress, asked my mum yes she was Kitty if same person..
Ted.M. lived on Norley Hall,Remember
Kitty buried in St Johns in Pemberton,lovely white heart headstone with dove on top.If same person my grandma Maggie was yor grandma Kitty's sister,She married a Lannon they had 13 children, and has they grew up and married all lived in wallgate.my grandma's family came over from County Clare, my granfather's family from Waterford,Ireland.

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
Thanks for refreshing my memory marken.You're quite right there were two shops,the cycle shop and the grocers next door and they were, I think ,family connected.Next door to the grocers was my school friend Charlie Melling.His father taught me to swim at the old Wigan Baths,"jump and I'll catch you" I think what he meant was "jump and if you don't swim you'll sink" It worked..you can't beat the old ways.

Posted by: annefair (872) Report abuse
Hi Coccium yes I am sure that he lived in Caroline St and that he would be 57 now.Anne

Posted by: coccium (2561)   Report abuse
annefair,George is my brother in law he has a sister Anne,he has done quite well for himself he now lives in formby,he as two girls and a son all married his wife name is Margaret, nee Duffy, from worsely hall he visits very regular his mother is still in Wigan.I will be seeing him this weekend and will inform him of you.I will get back to you on Sunday sometime.

Posted by: annefair (872) Report abuse
Coccium will look forward to reading your reply.Anne

Posted by: bluechieftain2 (inactive) Report abuse
My grandmother, Nellie Davey, had a chipshop on the corner of Miry Lane and Leeds St. She used to tell the story of Mrs Howarth, an extremely well-built lady, who got one of her very ample breasts caught in the mangle as she was putting her washing through it. To make matters worse, it got caught in the cogs at the side. Nellie freed it by rubbing it with butter and pulling the handle backwards! This story used to amuse me immensely as a child.

Does anybody remember the name of the woman who had the other chipshop in Miry Lane, further down towards Prescott St?

Posted by: annefair (872) Report abuse
Hi bluechieftain I remember falling in your grandma's chip shop and spraining my wrist when I was little.She really did good chips with pea wet on them.

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
Hi bluechieftain2, your grans chips were the best in the area.We took our own basin and it was filled regardless of the size.I remember the other chippy in Miry Lane,by the sweet shop but can't think of the name.I'll ask my sister ,she may know.

Posted by: gater (165) Report abuse
There was a chip shop went by the name of Gregorys it seems to me during the war time.It was in Miry lane near the big lamp.

Posted by: bluechieftain2 (inactive) Report abuse
Mrs Gregory! That's the name. Thank you so much, Gater!

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
We used to take our sweet coupons into the sweet shop next to the chippy.All the toffee and sweets were measured out from glass jars.Rationing continued well after the end of the second World War.

Posted by: coccium (2561)   Report abuse
annefair,Hello again,been talking to George today and he says do you remember any of the following,Kevin Gannon,Frank Jennings,Norman Almond,Keith Parkinson Sheila Hanson,June Cadman,Maureen Farley and Margaret Ashton who lived in the papershop on Chapel Lane. coccium.

Posted by: annefair (872) Report abuse
Hi again yes I remember all those people now the names have been mentioned.Did George remember me?Tell him when you next speak that we go to The Italian Kitchen restaurant in Formby.It is very good.Regards Anne.

Posted by: coccium (2561)   Report abuse
Hello Anne,George says he remembers the name and thinks he remembers you,did you live in a street off Bridge street?

Posted by: annefair (872) Report abuse
Hello coccium,no I lived in Edith Street off Miry Lane I have a brother called David.My grandma lived in Chapel Street which was near to St.Thomas's.My maiden name was Wareing.

Posted by: juli-uok (59) Report abuse
hiya all my family on mums side lived in wallgate.there name was mcdonugh i was born in lyon st. my grandad worked at wallgate station.his name was tommy.

Posted by: coccium (2561)   Report abuse
annefair,guess what, I know your brother David Wareing and so does George and now he knows who you are now, your David was a committee man at Goose Green Labour Club and George was talking to him one night in the club about their schooldays and said he knew you.How about that then.
Your maiden name unlocked the puzzle so to speak.

Posted by: molly (297)  Report abuse
zacck I knew Maggie and Jack Lannon.. Maggie was one of the Fitzgerald girls married Jack Lannon.. also knew Sylvester. and the rest of the family

Posted by: molly (297)  Report abuse
Hi juli-uok.. would your mum be Winnie McDonugh went to St Josephs school..

Posted by: juli-uok (59) Report abuse
hiya molly yeah thats my mum. my dads martin. how do you no her molly. you must have known her well to no she was my mum. julie x

Posted by: annefair (872) Report abuse
Hi coccium everybody knows David I will tell him about this.Small world isn't it?Anne

Posted by: pnicholson (inactive) Report abuse
Hello Jul-uok, my mother who's on holiday at the moment over here, says she used to go to school with your mother although your mother was younger than her. My mother used to live in wallgate until she got married and moved to Sovereign Road. Her name at that time was Winnie Cahir (pronounced car)and she also came from a big family.

Posted by: juli-uok (59) Report abuse
hello pnicholson i will ask mum wen i ring her later. she will more than likely remember her.

Posted by: 1934granada (inactive) Report abuse
Hi juli-uok I'm just going off your parents names, Winnie and Martin. Do you have a sister called Trish who married Geoff? They used to live in Marsh Green.

Posted by: juli-uok (59) Report abuse
hello 1934granda yeah i trish is my sister she did marry geoff. was u friends of thers let me no ur name n il tell them x julie

Posted by: coccium (2561)   Report abuse
Anybody know the Holland family that lived in Clayton street?

Posted by: molly (297)  Report abuse
juli-uok.. I went to school with your mum Winnie.same class . ask her doe's she remember Margaret Tighe . Winnie Taylor. Mary Ashcroft .Frances Lynch . i still keep in contact with them ..and of course doe's she or will she ever forget sister Frances. and who am i .. I am Mary

Posted by: molly (297)  Report abuse
Dave marsh just been looking back through the replys . and that little shop on the corner was Prices.. and even now i can still drool at the thought of all those lovely cakes and buns and bread they had in the window..

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
Hi Molly,
Thanks a million for the shop name,I would never have got myself but I do remember it now you have mentioned.Do you remember the hardware merchants just up Wallgate from Prices,I think it was Sherringtons and every time I see the two Ronnies do the "Fork Handles" sketch I remember that shop Sherringtons that sold everything from little drawers behind the counter.My dad used to buy leather there to sole and heel our shoes.

Posted by: toto 1 (37) Report abuse
Hello to Molly, talking about going to school with our Marg, lm her sister Teresa that moved to Canada.You'll have to tell her about me on this site cos she doesnt have a pc.Do you have any younger siblings l might know ??...lm 53 this year.

Posted by: bluechieftain2 (inactive) Report abuse
Who remember Joe Morris's garage in Miry Lane?

Who rememebers Nellie Davey's chip shop (she had an invalid sister called Lizzie).

Nellie's husband was Peter Davey (her maiden name was Prescott).

She had three children, Mary, Edna and Tommy.

Posted by: raymond walls (11) Report abuse
mrs howarth,was my gran and the story was trou ,i lived 4 doors away from the chippie at22miry lane and gran lived20.the other chippie was mrs bradleys she used to pick nose when she was getting your chips,so that why it was lot full very much.my uncle bill had the qeens in walgate

Posted by: toto 1 (37) Report abuse
Does anyone remember the little shop in Wallgate where there used to be a parrot.......it frickend me to death when l went in.Also the shop on the main street ran by a woman called Teresa....???

Posted by: molly (297)  Report abuse
Hi toto I will tell Margaret next time i write to her .we always get together when i go to Wigan and re live the good ? old days.. Marg and i were mates for a long time.
I dont have have any younger siblings around your age , sorry
I saw Marg in 2005 and she was doing really good and looked fantastic.
Do you keep in touch with her ?

Posted by: molly (297)  Report abuse
Dave yes i remember Sherringtons.. like you i too used to have to go get the piece of leather for the shoes.. and the parrafin.. what i remember most was the smell of leather . parrafin.. methol spirits .fire lighters all mingled together i loved it
after my trip to Sherringtons it was off to Duckworths for the pidgeon peas do you remember Duckworths by WAllgate bridge ?.

Posted by: zacck (46) Report abuse
Molly, Maggie and Jack Lannon was my grandad and grandma, I called them mother and farther, Theresa was my mum. I was born on Mason Street, they were strict Catholics in them days, I was taught at school by wicked NUN'S, and I had to go to church every sunday.

Posted by: molly (297)  Report abuse
Hi Zack . yes i knew your mum too. i know all the family and all the fitzgeralds including jan puff what an old so an so he was . gave all the girls a very hard time.
and yes i too am a catholic went to st joes.. not that i grew up in a strict catholic house far from it ..but none the less my fear of sister frances and her punishment kept me constantly on my knees and in confession lol..
and yes we are related you .me . empress..we will have to get together on my next visit to Wigan

Posted by: raymond walls (11) Report abuse
any one remember the johnson they lived about 2or 3 doors from the chippie,they moved to norley hall?? calder place

Posted by: zacck (46) Report abuse
Molly, I remember aunty Nora (Lannon)telling me about sister Fransis,she said she punished her for years,the day she was leaving school she said she locked the clssroom door and beat 7 bells out of her and told her that's for all the good hidings you gave me,and now ya can't do a damd thing, and walked out. how cool is that.

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
Hi molly,
I remember Duckworths well on Wallgate at the top of Gt George St.We used to get peas for our pea-shooters from there and I was always a bit in awe of Mr.Duckworth as he always looked very stern .His daughter Margaret is a retired school teacher and a good friend of my sisters.I have had her stay with me on holiday once.She will be pleased that people still remember her dads shop.

Posted by: toto 1 (37) Report abuse
Hi again Molly, yea l do keep in touch with all my sisters in fact after l read your posting l opened the mail to see a b.card off our Marg for me....!!!!!!!!!We were over there last summer and went in the Moon almost every day,our Margs a laugh still, and never lets anything get her down, shes great and when you see her next time you must tell her l said so...!!!!!!ta

Posted by: juli-uok (59) Report abuse
hiya molly told mum who u were she was made up. she still sees margret a lot in wigan. she said r u back over here now. asks if u ever heard anything about tony lundy she said he was mates with u to. and she will never forget sister frances she said she made her life hell.love julie x

Posted by: molly (297)  Report abuse
zacck tell you a not so funny story about sr frances and toto no doubt winnie will remember it too
sister always had us girls selling religious calenders at xmas .. now sr frances was welsh.. very broad welsh accent and i thought she had said that these particular calenders was a hapenny each... i sold dozens of them.
you should have seen her face when i gave her the money.. her face went white then as black as her habit. she grabbed me shook me called me all the stupid twits she could lay tongue to and screamed at me as she wrote on the blackboard I SAID 8 PENNY YOU STUPID GOD FORSAKEN GIRL.. well after confession i had to pay all the differance back to her and i can tell you my knees and my earholes stung for a week cos my mother belted the hell out of me too.. needless to say i have never sold calenders since R I P sr you are gone but never forgotton


Posted by: molly (297)  Report abuse
juli am pleased your mum remembered me. no i am still here in australia going on 42 years now and it is home to me. i do get back to wigan every couple of years meet up with what is left of my family that talk to me lol . and friends and my in laws .. cant say i remember anyone called lundy who was he/ she and were did they live?


Posted by: molly (297)  Report abuse
dave what else do you remember about wallgate .. do you remmber ogilvys toffee shop corner of miry lane .. the temprance bar .. malleys clog shop. dr portmans .grimshaws chippy. joe ashcrofts grocers
and mr duckworth please dont tell his daughter i used to pinch a dog biscuit out of the sack he always had on the front..lol ..

Posted by: molly (297)  Report abuse
coccium .. i knew a margaret holland went to st josephs school any relation

Posted by: İartİ (6152) Report abuse
Anybody see the Evening Post last night?

A bunch of Clayton St Kids pictured

Thought you Wallgaters may know some of 'em

Posted by: İartİ (6152) Report abuse
Here are the little darlin's 1953

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
Hi Molly,
I remember the temperance bar.We used to go in there for a penny cordial.Also remember the chippy.There was a shop we used to pop in for 5 woodbines on our way to Scotsmans Flash to have a smoke and a bit of fishing.Wally Mills may still be there near Caroline Street.It was the first betting shop to open in Wigan when it became legal and put all the bookies runners out of business.

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
Thanks for posting the photo of Clayton Street art.Some of the faces are familar but I can't remember any names on the photo.I went to school with the Almonds off Clayton Street.Johns father or Grandfather was a barge man.The chap in thegrocers in the centre of Clayton Street was well known in the wrestling world.Next to the spare ground at the top was Braggs the tin engineer which later was the workyard of Jack Bayman the plumber.My cousins,the Cruises,lived on Clayton Street and also my Aunty Ada Giil who lived next door to Hollises Yard ,the carriers who operated with a couple of 2nd world war lorries.At the bottom of Clayton Street lived the Mathews who were rent collectors for the Oddfellows and next door to them was a strange old lady who gave me an old fox stole when she heard I was interested in animals and nature!

Posted by: molly (297)  Report abuse
Hi dave . yep i remember wally mills.in fact in later years my husband worked for wally on saturdays reckoning the bets up..oh yeah wally put a lot of the bookies out of bussiness.. i remember as a kid having to go tap on the window at the vine in caroline st to get david varey i think his names was to put my fathers bet on. before i went into school..

Posted by: juli-uok (59) Report abuse
hiya molly told mum wot all u said. she was sayin last time u was over she seen margret in wigan and she asked her to go wen u all met up and she didnt end up going. she said she really wud love to c u all again n hopes she sees margret wen ur over again. do u remember tom mguire she said his youngest son john lives with my yongest sister cathy mum said u might remember him. and this tony lundy once threw stone at her head once and she had to have stitches. love julie

Posted by: molly (297)  Report abuse
juli i know john maguire very well it is tom who is his son. and toms gr ma is my sis in law she was married to my brother

Posted by: molly (297)  Report abuse
toto just been talking to marg. and told her we had met up on the internet. she was so excited . she says she will go see one of the gr kids and get them to show her this site. be fun if she would ..

Posted by: patricia (112) Report abuse
Hi Annefair sorry not got back to you been away, you must live near me if you see Yvonne Edwards now and then were do live i am in Ormskirk Rd Pemberton and Yvonne lives just up the road from me i bumped into her not long ago, also you might know Margaret Farrimond she was Yvonnes best mate through school and is my cousin.

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
Molly..nice chatting about the old Wigan.Wally Mills ,Irene,was in my class at St.Thomas's.They lived in York Street East.My Uncle Charlie was a bookies runner.I think they each had their own area,everyone new who they were but they probably thought the cops didn't know.They would be in and out the houses like ferrets down a rabbit hole.Over the years I have enjoyed comparing notes with other people I have met whose origins were 'Up North'. I have heard a few good tails,especially from from Liverpool lads.The last one was of treasure chests leaving the docks disguised as the old black marias.

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
Hi art,re your Clayton Street Photo,I think the boy on the left is Tom Jones,a bit of a character at the time.He had a good collection of comics which we used to swop on the doorsteps.

Posted by: İartİ (6152) Report abuse
It's an Evening post pic Dave. If anybody went to St Josephs in 1952, there's another pic I can scan in, of about 20 kids in class

Posted by: danni (inactive) Report abuse
this is a fantastic thread. My gt gran lived at 65 GT George Street and my gran was born at 44 Lyon Street. I have loved reading through all your posts it has brought the Wallgate area alive for me

thank you all

Posted by: molly (297)  Report abuse
art please scan the other photo in i would love to see it
anyone else with old school photos please share them with us.. i lost all the photos i had when cyclone tracy wiped out Darwin back in the 70s

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
Hi danni,
Gt. George Street was quite a long street as streets went, in the 50's.It was different in that it was almost entirely terraced houses with only one shop in the whole street.Going up,the houses backed onto the shunting yards and the clatter and richochet from shunting railway waggons would go on all night.Everone was accostomed to the noise and lived with it, unlike today when commercial noise during the night is unacceptable.On the left going up to Wallgate the houses ran almost unbroken and for much of the way a raised path ran at the back of all the yards for the bin-men to gain access.On the other side of the street many of the houses had communal yards backing on to Clayton Street.At the top of the Street some houses had half a dozen steps up to there front door,a feature that looked rather grand in an old Wigan street.

Posted by: patricia (112) Report abuse
Hi Coccium i used to live a few doors up from George Knowles in Caroline St, i lived next door to the woodyard facing the Ropemakers arms, went to St Thomas,s school.

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
Hi Patricia,We had a Knowles in our class at St.Thomas's.He live by the school.Remember when they used to change the large billboard in Caroline St.showing what was on the pictures the following week,I still haven't worked out how the chap did it.Just a ladder,a bucket of glue and a long brush and in minutes he put up an advert which was about 20feet long and 10 feet high.

Posted by: İartİ (6152) Report abuse
St Josephs

Posted by: coccium (2561)   Report abuse
molly,sorry for the delay,yes that could be one of the Hollands they had a big family.

Posted by: coccium (2561)   Report abuse
patrica,I will tell him when I see him and let you know what he says.

Posted by: patricia (112) Report abuse
Hi Coccium you do that he should remember me.

Posted by: patricia (112) Report abuse
Hi Dave Marsh probably was the same Knowles that was in your class, and as for them billboards i watched many of them being put up, you dont think about how they managed in them days do you, untill somebody mentions it, but like you said his ladder, bucket, and paste brush was all he needed not like today.

Posted by: danni (inactive) Report abuse
"""Hi danni,
Gt. George Street was quite a long street as streets went, in the 50's.It was different in that it was almost entirely terraced houses with only one shop in the whole street.Going up,the houses backed onto the shunting yards and the clatter and richochet from shunting railway waggons would go on all night.Everone was accostomed to the noise and lived with it, unlike today when commercial noise during the night is unacceptable.On the left going up to Wallgate the houses ran almost unbroken and for much of the way a raised path ran at the back of all the yards for the bin-men to gain access.On the other side of the street many of the houses had communal yards backing on to Clayton Street.At the top of the Street some houses had half a dozen steps up to there front door,a feature that looked rather grand in an old Wigan street.""""

Hi Dave the address was back 65 Gt George Street so would that have backed onto the railway line? my other great gran lived at the step houses in Hindley. I understand this was because they had half cellars which housed looms???

Posted by: annefair (872) Report abuse
Hi Patricia I cannot think who you are but may remember you by sight.I live off Latham Lane.


Posted by: toto 1 (37) Report abuse
Hiya again Molly, thanx for the mention to our Marg l wish more of my family would go on here ......What a great posting this has been loads of memories for all of us....!!!

Posted by: annefair (872) Report abuse
Hi Dave Marsh.Your auntie Ada Gill did she have a son David if so he went to school with my brother.Did Ada die quite young if yes she was a good friend of my mother's.

Posted by: bluechieftain2 (inactive) Report abuse
I remember Miry Lane and Wallgate as a community of people who, subject to poverty and injustice, and in the absence of state intervention, took steps themselves, through neighourliness, to ensure their welfare and ultimate survival.

Look at similar working-class people today. As a result of sixties local council corruption (lrage-scale demolition), and national government's failure to control immigration, their communities, however "bad" they might have been judged, have been destroyed. These people are now living in a state of alienation, alienation from a sense of local and, worse, of national identity.

The future of our country is bleak indeed. God help us all!

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
Hi annefair,Yes my Aunty Ada was David and Barbaras mum.Ada died about 1962 and she was a very,very kind and lovely lady.

Posted by: annefair (872) Report abuse
Hi Dave my mother thought a lot of Ada and was really sorry when she was ill and died.

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
annefair,Ada would have been pleased that people were sharing good memories of her after more than 40 years.Dave

Posted by: ken rutter (387)  Report abuse
Hi does anybody remember the young lad that sold icecream for De romas around all the streets in the area in the 1960s

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
Hi Ken,
I remember De Romas and I think another one was Cassinellis,also the hand cranked round-a-bout that went round the streets.I can re-call the knife sharpener who had a bicyle converted to sharpen knives and scissors and the many,many traders who peddled their wares by horse and cart which included the milk-man (Letmans), fruit and groceries,shellfish and wet fish.The list is endless almost Dickensian.

Posted by: shevylad (42) Report abuse
What a cracking thread brought back lots of memories I lived in chapel st.from 1929 to 1951 knew lots of the people who were mentioned.Martin Ryan went to St. Josephs my brother played rugby on the school team with him and Gagger O donell and Ritchie and Lowe. I knew Teresa Lannon and Jimmy Hornby Tommy Davey Charlie Gormally Paddy King at the Ropemakers I worked at Sawbridges from being 11yrs old after school and later on full time and delivered meat to people all around Wallgate my nephew is still in touch with Malleys the cloggers one of the sons lives down south now.Remember the Pooles pies in Wallgate you had to get 2 to get the taste they were'nt to big not many people know this they were always made from veal I know as I used to prepare the meat and deliver it Pooles pies today have no comparison the best pies in Wigan are at Galloways or in the food hall at Marks and Spencers.

Posted by: ken rutter (387)  Report abuse
Well Dave I was that young chap

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
I bet your cornets cost more than tuppence now ken.

Posted by: gater (165) Report abuse
Nobody has mentioned the street i was on born yet.It was the very last street on Miry lane does anybody know the name of it.

Posted by: gater (165) Report abuse
I forgot to mention this was in the 30s.

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
I think Mason Street was the last Street before Wallgate and at the other end just before you hit the old smelly sausage skin factory,was Horsefield Street which was next to the railway coalyard.

Posted by: molly (297)  Report abuse
gator would that st be prescott st ?

Posted by: darbyshire (3) Report abuse
I was born in Mason street 1945 at my mothers auntys. There name was Winnie and Bob Parry their childrens names were Bobby,Stanley and Frank who is now dead. Bobby used to sing and play the Accordion. Alan Armstrong who used to play for Wigan lived next door to them. Lannons lived across the street.

Posted by: pnicholson (inactive) Report abuse
As a kid, my mate Billy Hinnigan lived in Caroline street before moving to Marsh Green, and his mother used to clothe hime by buying from the Army and Navy stores.
He used to say that he was sick of going to school dressed as a Japanese prisoner of war!

Posted by: gater (165) Report abuse
No it isnt Prescott st Molly there was one more st after that.Dave Marsh hit it right.It was Horesfield st and the factory was Gallaghers slaughter house the first thing you smelled in the morning and the last thing you smelled at night.Still happy days though.

Posted by: molly (297)  Report abuse
darbyshire..are you related to bobby parry? i knew bobby very well .. a really nice lad .. good looking too is bobby still with us ?

Posted by: molly (297)  Report abuse
gator ..... did you know eunice barber ? she came from your end of miry lane and jackie callighan . joe fitzgerald .jimmy thomas .

Posted by: robbie (inactive) Report abuse
darbyshire. There is a Bob Parry goes into The Avenue Pub formally (The Norley Hall Pub.) Who plays The Accordion and sings his own songs of Wigan. Some are very good naming all the old streets and places around Wigan. This chap looks around the late 60s early 70 mark I wonder could he be the Bob Parry you speak of. I can ask next time I see him are one of the old gentlemen who sits with him. He does mention Wallgate a lot in his songs.

Posted by: potterite (87) Report abuse
My Mother lived at 7 mill st[websters]her sister lived in gt george st[horans]if my memory is correct there was a wood yard on the corner of Mill St and Clayton St.

Posted by: robbie (inactive) Report abuse
yes darbishire it is the same Bob

Posted by: darbyshire (3) Report abuse
Yes Mollie on both counts. Thanks Robbie i new he lived locally

Posted by: gater (165) Report abuse
I dont know any of those names Molly i was brought up in Higher Ince.I was just a baby when we moved.I still went down Wallgate lots as i grew older.

Posted by: molly (297)  Report abuse
Robbie will you ask bob if he remembers Mary that lived in egerton st wallgate.. and tell him if he doe's i am still not going on a date with him. lol

Posted by: molly (297)  Report abuse
I would like to say a big thankyou to everyone who has posted on this thread.. you have brought back a lot of good old memorys for me of places and people i loved and grew up with..as long as people like all of us are still willing to share our thoughts and memories with each other . the spirit and friendliness that is unique to Wigan will nver fade god bless you all

Posted by: robbie (inactive) Report abuse
Robbie will you ask bob if he remembers Mary that lived in egerton st wallgate.. and tell him if he doe's i am still not going on a date with him. lol

Yes will do its usually Wednesdays he brings is piano accordion in The Avenue and gives a few songs Along with a chap named Eddy Williams. two grand old men.

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
That's a real lovely note molly.It's a pleasure talking to you and good to know that other people are aware that something special rubbed of on all of us who lived in good old Wigan.We were part of a community that had developed over generations and we new the true meaning of good neighbours.

Posted by: ken rutter (387)  Report abuse
Well said Dave

Posted by: carolastin (15)  Report abuse
Hi, have just joined Wigan world my name was Carol Astin my brother was kenneth and my sister dorothy,we lived in Clare St,which was off Mason St until 1959. I have so many photos walking days May queens etc will find out how to transfer to site

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
I am sure that all the Wallgaters would love to see your pictures carolastin.Just ask for help if you have a problem transfering them to wiganworld.Once there they will be enjoyed forever by present and future generations.

Posted by: molly (297)  Report abuse
yes please carol i for one would dearly love to see the photos.. and anyone else who has any of wigan from the early days please share them with us
please let us know when you put them on

Posted by: toto 1 (37) Report abuse
Cheers to everyone who posted on this thread, been the best so far l think anyway.Wherever l travel lm always told how friendly and helpful l come across and l attribute it all to my days back "ome of growing up with such great generous ppl.....!!!! so everyone pat yerselves on the back now lol...!!!

Posted by: keona (146)   Report abuse
My family lived in prescott street for many many years does anyone have any stories to tell about the fisher family there were quite a few of them, also my grandparents had the queens head on great george street

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
sat next to Ann Humphrey at St.Thomas's School keona and new Freddie Whittle who lived on Prescott St about early sixties.

Posted by: evelyn (372) Report abuse
Molly, I didn't live around the Wallgate area but I do know Eunice Barber her name now is Latham after marrying Peter. She now lives in Kitt Green and she is still just as mad as she always was, we always have a good laugh when we meet usually in Morrisons Supermarket. You may know her friend Betty Highton [now Fairhurst] who lived in Wilcock Street.Betty is our daughter's godmother.From my Moss School of Dancing days I also remember Eddie Almond and his friend Jackie Marsh from Clayton Street. Thanks for the memories.

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
evelyn.I remember Betty Highton and a John Almond.John was in my class at school and lived in Clayton St.He did have a brother and I think his father was a bargee on the canal.Maybe my younger brother John new Edward Almond.

Aint we done well,all our Wallgaters, as we've passed the double century on the site statistics.

Posted by: keona (146)   Report abuse
dave marsh I`m a Humphreys by marriage and don`t think she`s related

Posted by: evelyn (372) Report abuse
Dave, Eddie Almond did have younger brother but I don't know his name.Eddie was a couple of years older than you.Tragically he was killed at his place of work in 1966.He left a little boy aged about 18 months.Betty is very well, she married John Fairhurst in 1961 and my husband was his best man and they have one son Andrew.I have really enjoyed this site even though I didn't live in the Wallgate area. I can remember so much from the 50's and 60's but don't ask me what I did last week!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: molly (297)  Report abuse
Thanks evelyn for letting me know Eunice is still around . and still got her sense of humour , say hello for me too her next time you see her. please.
can't place betty's name at all

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
Thanks for the info evelyn.Maybe I have the Almonds ages mixed up.There were two brothers and they lived about half way up the street.John was one of the tallest in the class and he was second cock as we called them(strongest in battle!) A lad called Barber was top cock and we little uns stayed on his best side.This hierachy system worked well because I cannot recall any serious fighting and in my entire schooldays I was never bullied and never witnessed any bullying.

Posted by: 1934granada (inactive) Report abuse
Keona. I know Frank Fisher who lived in Prescott Street. He is a taxi driver. Is he related to you?

Posted by: keona (146)   Report abuse
1934granada frank is my mums uncle and i see quite alot of him

Posted by: carolastin (15)  Report abuse
So far I can remember 23 names who were in my class at St Thomas's I left in 1960,it was mind blowing but it gets your Brian matter flowing, love this message board it really takes you back thinking of people and places

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
Anyone remember Mick Fish who sold papers just outside Wallgate Station in the fifties.

Posted by: alan clarke (9) Report abuse
My folks used to live bottom end of Gt Goerge St in the early 60's. Bill & Brenda Clarke. I think the neighbours were the Pendlebury's. I was just a nipper then, I think I was 4 when we all had to move into council houses up at Worsley Hall, Hamilton Sq. And the Pendlebury's still ended up being our neighbours in Hamilton Sq. I dont remember much about Wallgate and families but Im sure my mother does. I've lived in South Africa for the past 25yrs, but my family still lives in Wigan.

Posted by: annefair (872) Report abuse
Hi carolastin what are some of the names you remember at St.Thomas's?

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
Hi alan.My friends at the bottom of Gt. George St in the fifties were Roy Jackson and his brother Wilfred also Tony Dean who lived next door but one to them.Just around the corner in York St East were Alan Myers and his brother Jim.I lived in one of the very few houses left standing in Appleton St. until 1966 when the final bulldozer flattened us.The house next door had been demolished months previously and in bed at night you could see the stars through a big crack in the wall.Still slept like a log.

Posted by: molly (297)  Report abuse
Dave Marsh yes i remember micky fish who sold the papers . did'nt martter what the weather was like he was always there .. never seemed to catch a cold like the rest of us
What was the name of the other fellow that used to run down wallgate shouting last post was it Jackie?

Posted by: carolastin (15)  Report abuse
Hi annefair here goes Yvonne Edwards,Irene Hunter,June Shufflebotham,David Prince,Pauline Halliwell,John Tither Carol Hallsall, Pat Fitzgerald,Edna Clark, Carl Littler,Cathrine Woodcock Malcom M'Quire,Christine Hornby,Margaret Farrimond,Alec Farrimond,Carol HEYES,Jean Jackson, Agnes Gregory,Edward Oxley also there was an Owen, vernon and Harold who I can't remember Surnames for, and not sure if Janet WOGAN Wwas in our class. Of course I remember Mr Jackson the Headmaster he was our teacher in the last year, and half way through died. Hope this has been of interest to you

Posted by: carolastin (15)  Report abuse
Davemarsh can't get the photos on to the site, could you help

Posted by: patricia (112) Report abuse
Hi Carolastin all those names of the girls were in my class you mentioned, Margaret and Alec Farrimond they are my cousins, Yvonne Edwards was Margaret,s best freind. i know most of the lads as well, my name is Pat Farrimond i come out of Caroline St you have a good memory for names.

Posted by: annefair (872) Report abuse
Hi Carolastin yes I know quite a few of those names,and see some of the people.They were a year above me at St.Thomas's though.Thank you for the info it is interesting to read about the past.I remember Mr.Jackson and then there was Mr.Hedley.Anne

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
Carolastin regarding your photos.In the past I just sent mine to Brian wth a description and approx. date.He did the rest,bless his cotton socks.If they are on your P.C. it shouldnt be a problem.I just clicked the photo and sent them to Brian.I am not expert on this but I'm sure that better qualified members than me will chip in with advice.Regards Dave.

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
Hi Molly.Mick Fish was a lovely guy.The Fish's came to live in York St.There was Mick,his son,his daughter-in-law and the grandson Graham.A real nice family they were and the best bit was I could just knock on their door and get my Dandy,Beano and Eagle as soon as they came out.

Posted by: carolastin (15)  Report abuse
Hi, Patrica Why can't I remember your face, I do keep thinking about margaret, she was very slim and had light hair,or is that you?

Posted by: patricia (112) Report abuse
Hi carolastin i was the slim one with long light brown hair our margaret had a lot darker hair than me and not long so its probaly me we were all in the same class Yvonne lives up the road from me. i mated with Pat Fitzgerald at school and our Alec mated with her brother Eddie.

Posted by: carolastin (15)  Report abuse
Hi, Patricia did you go to All Saints after?

Posted by: patricia (112) Report abuse
Hi Carolastin yes i did go to All Saints after, i keep trying to think who you are, did you come from around the Caroline St area.

Posted by: carolastin (15)  Report abuse
Hi, Patricia, I lived in Clare St it was off Mason St,Miry Lane, We moved to Greenough St in 1958 but carried on going to St Thomas, for my last year. Yvonne was a friend of mine and carried on being friends at All Saints, my best friend there was Jennifer Tarbuck.

Posted by: patricia (112) Report abuse
Hi Carolastin i remember Jenifer Tarbuck, when you were going through names you said there was a Owen somebody could that have been Owen Cadman. My friends at All Saints were Ann Bennette and Marlene Higham do you remember them.

Posted by: cherryandwhite (548) Report abuse
Hello all, anyone remember my cousin Frances Burns (nee fish) used to live in Melbourne Street. She got married in the fifties, originally from Liverpool

Posted by: winnie (731)   Report abuse
my mum anne unsworth went to st josephs in the 50s does anyone remember her

Posted by: annefair (872) Report abuse
Hi carolastin I have just been talking to Catherine Woodcock and was telling her about Wigan World and your messages.She said remember her to you.She is married with 2 children and 4 grandchildren.Said she is doing ok and hopes you are.

Posted by: handey (20) Report abuse
hi carolastin,i lived across the road from catherine woodcock ,i know tommy he was friends with my brother john. we lived at no 22miry lane,i have a sister val.

Posted by: carolastin (15)  Report abuse
Hiannefair,have been awayfor few days 2 get out of the rain, yes I remeber all of those names, Tell cathrine I am fine, I have 2 boys Both married but no grandchildren as yet

Posted by: robbie (inactive) Report abuse
Robbie will you ask bob if he remembers Mary that lived in egerton st wallgate.. and tell him if he doe's i am still not going on a date with him. lol

Molly was in The Avenue Saturday with Bob cheeky blighter said No Mary ever turned him down. In Wigan never mind off Wallgate. He could not remember you but as fond memories of all the young lassies from wallgate and surrounding areas. still got his charm he said.

Posted by: molly (297)  Report abuse
lol ty robbie.. me thinks our bobby has selective memory..maybe cos i turned him down too many times.. but it is really good to hear he is still going strong and has kept his sense of humour.. good onya bobby

Posted by: dark horse (290)  Report abuse
Linda, you must be my husbands cousin then cos Mrs Baxter of Swann St was his granny too. His Dad was Joe Baxter.

Posted by: dark horse (290)  Report abuse
I was the last person to be born in the Coffee House in Wallgate in 1957. Me mams family the Mortons lived there for years. Next door were the Higgins's in the Coffee House Inn (they moved to Ince when my dad was fifteen though). Further along Wallgate was Tommy and Maggie Sweeney and in one of the streets we used to visit a lady we called Grandma Brown. She wasnt our gran but a dear friend. She had a granddaughter called Lorna. She had a pic of her on the sideboard in her cap and gown which was almost unheard of then. I called my own daughter Lorna after her. My uncles were Stan and John Morton and my Aunt was called Maggie Morton. Rachael lived with them not sure of her surname but she was what they then called retarded' after a gas lamp blew up in her face. Anyone remember them? By the way carolastin, I would love to see pics of wallgate area. Born in the coffee house but no pictures of the place inside or out to speak of apart from the big steps at the front door. My mam was Nellie Higgins (nee Morton) and dad was Jack Higgins.

Posted by: dark horse (290)  Report abuse
By the way Linda, your cousin John would like you to get in touch. Go over to the forum and send me a pm. Val (aka Dark Horse)

Posted by: fishlizzie (432) Report abuse
been reading this thread with interest!
My Mother was born in Gt George St in 1911....Mary Evelyn McMahon...her parents, Agnes and John had a shop there.
Her Mother died when my Mother was just 8 and she and her Brother aged 14 had to go to live with their Grandmother as the father sold everything and threw them out!
Her brother died soon after so Mam was left alone with her Gran until she was 22 then she met and married my dad, Lawrence Hurst.
I was born in 1939 on Chapel Lane but when I was 2, we went to live in Driving Lane which was at the bottom of Cross St...the canal was behind our backyard.
When I was 6, we moved to 63 Darlington St where dad opened a shop selling secondhand furniture/bric a brac.
he changed it to fruit/veg/groceries when I was 11 and I was married from there when I was 21
I have a sister, Dorothy and brother Lawrence.
Anyone remember us?
I, and Lawrence, went to Warrington Lane Junior school then I went to Girls High School on Wigan Lane, Lawrence went to Grammar School.
We three "children" now live in St Ives, Cornwall but I remember all the old shops in Wigan!
During the 50s/60s, I played the piano in various Clubs around and in Wigan...Lower Ince Labour Club was one, Worsley Mesnes Club another and the Latics Club too!
I was in a talent show at the Hippodrome when I was 15, coming second and winning £15!! A huge amount of money then!
Would love to know if anyone on here knew us back then!
Liz {formerly Betty Hurst}

Posted by: linda (170)  Report abuse
hi darkhorse
sorry it took so long to answer
but had problems with computer
Yes i am john cousin its good to hear from you and would to love to know how you are all going Iam not use to the wigan world system yet so I thought I would get back to you through this site please let me know when you get this message
take Care
Linda

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
Hi fishlizzie.I remember McMahons shop in Gt.George St.It was one of the hundreds of shops in the Wigan Streets that sold a vast assortment of general supplies.Best regards.Dave.

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
It would be good to document all the shops that traded in the streets of Wigan but have long since gone.They were a huge part of the history of days now sadly just memories.

Posted by: fishlizzie (432) Report abuse
Dave...you must be very old then!
My Mother's Mother died in 1919 and her father then sold everything and the two children {my Mother, aged 8 and her brother, aged 14,} had to go to live with their Grandmother.
He went off with another woman then, had two more children but ended his days in the Workhouse on Frog Lane, dying at the age of around 67.
My Mother had never seen him since she was 8 but heard he was there and went to see him.
I remember her taking us three with her to see him once before he died.
Liz

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
Hi fishlizzie,i will be 65 in October and admit my memory isn't infallible.There was a shop near the top of Gt George St. on the right going up and I am sure it changed hands when I was about 10 years old and the name on the shop was McMahon.I remember it well because I accidently broke a window at the back on my way to school and still feel bad about it.

Posted by: dark horse (290)  Report abuse
Oh shame that Linda cos can't pm on here otherwise I'd swap details. Had a few bereavements in the old clan I am afraid dunno if you know. John's sister Christine died about 18 months ago - cancer. Then earlier this year Nancy from severe exczma. That was especially unpleasant. Ronald I believe also died but not sure if this year or last. Joe is retired now and living in orrell. John is fine...just had a huge cyst removed off the back of his neck though. There are pictures of it on Wigan Chat. He's okay now. Diabetic tho like me and all that goes with it. He has asked how you and yours are? I think maybe you could help with a family tree I'm attempting. Anything you can remember. John isn't too good at concentrating on stuff like that, even tho he has a superb memory when he sets his mind to it. Speak soon. Val

Posted by: linda (170)  Report abuse
Hi Dark horse
Sorry to hear that our nancy has passed
I have not heard about our ronald
My aunty Margaret did tell me about our Christine and our Margery passing
If you want to get intouch with me my Email address is
lindapinge@hotmail.com
I would love to keep intouch
hope to hear from you soon
Take Care
Linda

Posted by: dark horse (290)  Report abuse
How about folks sharing their wallgate snaps?

Posted by: dark horse (290)  Report abuse
anyone remember the tiny milliner called Tizzy or Tilly? She used to wear very old fashioned hats she had made. I recall one looking like a huge, tall mop cap with a big frilly hem

Posted by: molly (297)  Report abuse
darkhorse. it was called tillys. if you are talking about the one that was on wallgate..
and i would dearly love to see the old photos of wallgate. i know there is quite a lot on the photo site, but i am sure other people have heaps more hiding in box's an albums. school photos .walking days family snaps please will you share them
QUESTION..what is the name of the lane way that ran down the side of wallgate bridge there was a pawn brokers down there in the early 50s... anyone know

Posted by: paul (1531)  Report abuse
Molly my mother (winnie Nicholson) nee Cahir, said it used to be called "The Ropewalk" and the pawn shop was called Seddons!

Posted by: shevylad (42) Report abuse
Hi Molly Think you will find the proper name of the Ropewalk is Willgoose lane I had a Taxi in Wigan and it was one of the nearest streets to the rank and nobody knew it. Are you from St Josephs I was there from 1934 to 44 surprised nobody mentioned old Jack Mc Guire he was a strict disciplanerian I worked for Sawbridges in Wallgate in my teens and I could write a book about the place

Posted by: mikjayfay (14) Report abuse
Flaming heck..this is a long tread..just started reading it and wanted to post,but I thought I'll just finish reading first..I'll have to come back to it..but heres my bit for what its worth..my family lived at jordans yard, lyon st around 1900,some names for you are Fahey(my GG granddad) Mahoney, Mulqueeny and Mc Knight..

Posted by: molly (297)  Report abuse
Paul thank your mum for me . please . the name of that lane has been eluding me for years ..mind you i never thought to look at the name when i was going to the pawn shop with my mother to pawn whatever she had to pawn for that week or to redeem it the following week lol ahhhhhhhh the good old days can't say i am sorry that one has gone

Posted by: molly (297)  Report abuse
Paul thank your mum for me . please . the name of that lane has been eluding me for years ..mind you i never thought to look at the name when i was going to the pawn shop with my mother to pawn whatever she had to pawn for that week or to redeem it the following week lol ahhhhhhhh the good old days can't say i am sorry that one has gone

Posted by: molly (297)  Report abuse
shevylad.. yes i went to st josephs 1942 to 1952.i remember jack very well . not saying too much cos in later life i have become sort of a relation to him one of my neices married his grandson
but for us girls we had lovely sister marie in the infants .. but ended up with sister frances in the seniors..i stil want to fade into the shadows just typing her name . as for sawbridges i remember that too... were you one of the lads that wolf whistled at the girls ALL the time ?.....dave marsh i think that is a great idea too document all the shops that traded in the streets of wallgate . it would make a good thread run in conjunction with this one..cos this one is a beauty

Posted by: pfoster (58) Report abuse
anyone remember any gregorys around the miry lane area? martha,phylis,irene,edith,sally,norman and agnes. their parents were edith and john.

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
Good to see this thread taking off again.Seems to be a bottomless pit of memories about the Wallgate area.Such a shame that the Ropewalk (Willgoose) has now been totally obliterated.If you go into the search box top right of wiganworld page and type Willgoose Lane you will find a photo that I took a few years ago.

Posted by: shevylad (42) Report abuse
Hi Dave saw your pic. of Willgoose lane changed a bit since I did my courting down there and your pic. of Liveseys our old friend Maggie Muscle lived 3 doors away and yes Molly I was the butchers boy who whistled at ALL the girls especially the blonde from Phillips Chemist her name was Kathleen

Posted by: 1934granada (inactive) Report abuse
I came past Willgoose Lane last week and the Wallgate entrance to it was boarded up. Any one know why? Also why was it called the ropewalk? Do any of you remember the Bradys from Miry Lane, Brian and Jimmy? They were both good rugby players, their fathers name was Edmund.

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
You old dog shevvylad.Do you remember we never used to walk down a street if there was an alternative more interesting way of getting from A to B.

Posted by: shevylad (42) Report abuse
Hi 1934Granada I think there was a Ropeworks down there and they used to walk along it to measure and coil the rope they made that reason sticks in my memory from way back

Posted by: paul (1531)  Report abuse
Hello Cherryandwhite, Kenny, Dave Marsh, shevvylad, 1934 granada. pfoster, molly and anyone else who contributes to this thread because my mum always asks if there's anything anyone has written again about St Josephs RC or Wallgate in general and then I have to read it to her every hour for 2 days listening to comments like "I knew her, and "I knew her mum" or " I knew where that used to be"., Don't remember the old Wallgate myself, but have heard that it was a very tight knit community with neighbour helping neighbour, all in the past now though. Good luck to you all, Paul

Posted by: patricia (112) Report abuse
Hi pfoster i went to school with a Agnes Gregory she came from the wallgate area she had a relation called Irene.

Posted by: mothertheresa (33)  Report abuse
my mum came from wallgate her names margaret hinnigan anyone know her ?

Posted by: marken (345) Report abuse
I think the Gregory's lived at 51 York St.

Posted by: fishlizzie (432) Report abuse
Does anyone remember Driving Lane at the bottom of Cross St?
We lived there till 1945....
Saturday nights, a gang of Catholics used to come charging over the fields...we called them the brewers! They were out for trouble!
The big field at the end of Driving Lane was used to store coal behind a tall wire fence and I remember the women used to dig under it and pull pices of coal out and when the lorries came to deliver they had to swing round the corner out of Cross St and the women used to jump on the back to grab any loose coal!
Remember Lizzie Willins little shop bottom of Cross St? She sold everything and it was really dark in there and smelled of paraffin...
During the war, a sailor mate of my Dad came home on leave and brought me a banana! I stood in the middle of Cross St eating it with a gang of kids all round me! We had never seen one before.
Oh I could write a book about those days!

Posted by: molly (297)  Report abuse
whew what a thread this is .need a cuppa or a drink reading through it cherryand white you really started something with this thread and i for one thankyou for starting it just reading through all the old memorys and reliving them is a pleasure that cannot be bought plus connecting people from all walks of life and all over the world.. on my next visit to dear old wigan the drinks are on me ..
Dave thankyou for the photo of the rope walk hope you dont mind it is now downloaded to my puter .. still the dark place i remember it was
1934 granada. i knew betty and teresa brady went to st joes any relation ?
paul what is your mums name ? and your mum remembers right it was a very close knit area everybody knew everybody and thier bussiness . very few secrets kept in wallgate..lets face it the houses were so close together next door could hear when you poked the fire . or turned over in bed lol..it was a time of hardship and struggle for most familys but it was amazing what could be done with a few scrag ends from the butcher and turnips with a pratter for good measure . filled your belly and warmed you up
too all who have posted and read this thread i have said it once before i say it again . thankyou and godbless each of you.. lets keep it going

Posted by: molly (297)  Report abuse
sorry paul just realized you already told me your mums name ... did she go to st joes ? and if so what years

Posted by: paul (1531)  Report abuse
Hello molly, my mothers maiden name is Cahir and even after she married people would still call her winnie cahir (car). She was born in 1919, so must have attended St Josephs round about 1929 - 1939, she's been over here in Switzerland now for the last 6 months and I have the feeling she dosent want to go back (hope I'm wrong)

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
Hi marken,I think 51 was opposite Clayton St.school yard and I remember the name Gregory.Hi Paul,the Wallgate neighbourhood may be gone but there are still a few of those good folk contributing to this really interesting thread.It wasn't Utopia by a long way but there was an unspoken camaraderie that stayed with me all these years.

Posted by: molly (297)  Report abuse
Paul thanks for letting me know when your mum was at st joes.. sorry it was before my time . and i don't have any older siblings who would have been there at that time .. but ask your mum if she knew patricia and vincent glynn..joyce bradshaw. alma warren.they are around your mums age and all came from wallgate area....
but its good to know she is being looked after and enjoying herself..

Posted by: bluechieftain2 (inactive) Report abuse
A Mrs Gregory kept a chipshop in Miry Lane (towards the bottom end) in the fifties and sixties. Is this the same lady?

Posted by: shevylad (42) Report abuse
Hi Paul and Molly I knew Vince Glynn and Andrew Chattin 2 good swimmers as I remember and Paul ask your mother if she remembers St Josephs schoolboy team about 1935 lads like Gagger O donnell young Ritchie and Harry Platt And Martin Ryan I had a postcard with the team on and on the back the record read something like played 19 won 19 729pts for 20odd against our neighbours in Chapel St were Nicholson and Fitzimmons Mrs O Niell she was the midwife and laid everybody out and also nursed me through a bad bout of Whooping cough no NHS then

Posted by: pfoster (58) Report abuse
hi all, thanks for the replies regarding the gregorys. irene was my mum who sadly passed away 1998. she always reminisced about "the good old days" and growing up in the area. i think it was york street where they lived, i will have to ask one of my aunties.
as for the chip shop, i do know that my great grandad had a chippy in that area and my great aunt ettie had a pub somewhere around there too but i dont know which one, can anyone help?

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
Bluechieftain2 is right about the chippy.It was in Miry Lane by the crossroads at the York St.end before you get to the railway bridge.All the chippies were family run by the people who lived on the premises and there was a good half dozen within 5 minutes walk of my home in York Street.

Posted by: billyh (947)  Report abuse
hi mother terasa my surname is hinnigan i have a a cousin cvalled margaret her dad was named jimmy he was my dads brother they lived in caroline street

Posted by: shevylad (42) Report abuse
Hi Billyh I remember the Hinnigans one about my age was John lived in caroline st next to the Church Inn anyone remember little Pip Cain just after WW2 he won about £4000 on Littlewoods 12 results pool lived in Princess St but bought the Church Inn should have called it the Windmill it never closed lots of family parties he didnt go back down the pit and was constantly fined by the PPC [pit production commitee]it couldnt last in the end he got a window cleaning round but first time it rained he gave the outfit away.

Posted by: mothertheresa (33)  Report abuse
hello billy.. thats my mum. my grandad was jimmy ''jelf''.wot a character he was.i saw ur mum last yr at her sisters funeral theresa. in st thomas's.

Posted by: paul (1531)  Report abuse
llo Molly, my mother says, do you remember her sister (Mary) she used to be the cleaner / odd-job / waitress up the old St Josephs club for many years, and when she lived in Wallgate could always be found chatting in the grocers that also used to sell fish (finney addy) next to Cherringtons run by a woman called Teresa, but she's forgotten the name of the shop, can anyone jog her memory?

Posted by: molly (297)  Report abuse
hi paul and your mum yes i remember her sister mary always ready for a chat with anybody lol knew every last thing that was going on in wallgate and everybody too... and if she didn't she made it her bussiness to find out . a very well respected lady.
not 100 percent certain but i think the shop your mum means was called .. ashtons .
the ones lower down were alice aspeys.. and then joe ashcrofts.. across the rd just up from caroline st was the tripe shop and then coxs fruit shop
ask your mum if she remembers dr portman next to the temperance bar.. and dr black
and ogilvys toffee shop.. i bet she doe's . give her my regards please and ty for reading this to her

Posted by: paul (1531)  Report abuse
Hello Molly, will ask her when I get home this evening "and ty for reading this to her" I will promise to do my best

Posted by: prince (1411) Report abuse
Hi Paul, how are you keeping? Please give my regards to Winnie. When is she coming back to England?

Posted by: vera howarth (2490)   Report abuse
i don`t know if this street is stictly wallgate but here goes .does anyone know anything about soho st. wher asda is now. my dad was born in this street in 1912 and his name was george whelan. when did soho st cease to be residential and are there any pics of it.
vera

Posted by: paulfitz (3) Report abuse
Fantastic thread for someone who left Wigan shortly after being born but has heard stories of all these places. Maybe these names will jog someones memories, my great grandad Thomas Fitzsimons came over from Dublin and settled in Caroline Street with wife Mary. He died in 1957 aged 76, my grandad Walter had 3 sisters Maggie (married Walter Coombs), Kathleen (married Billy Baird) and Julia. My grandma (Gladys) still lives in Wigan, her and my grandad owned the Grapes Hotel for a period where my dad John was brought up during the 50's / 60's. Will have to tell her about this thread as she already loves the photos on the site. If I remember rightly I think my Grandads cousin was married to Martin Ryan.

Posted by: prince (1411) Report abuse
Hello paulfitz, my mum Winnie, remembers all your family and asked me to ask you to say hello to them all. She didnt know however, that your Grandads cousin (Eunice Boliver) was married to Martin Ryan.

Posted by: paulfitz (3) Report abuse
Hi prince, I'll say hello to my grandma (unfortunately the only one of that generation still living but going strong at 86). I'll ask her or dad about Martin Ryan, its definately something I've been told, the other family names on that side are Meehan and Moore but you never know if people mean cousins 1st removed 2nd removed etc. Alot of them also still lived in Ireland so I'll do some digging.

Posted by: paul (1531)  Report abuse
Hello paulfitz, how come my name came up as prince? He's from London! Anyway, its good to know your grandma's keeping well and is still going strong. All the best. Paul

Posted by: cath476 (867)  Report abuse
paulfitz
eunice boliver (ryan) is my great aunt and i do see her (although infrequently) i will ask her about your grandad.

Posted by: n 17 the docs (129) Report abuse
HIYA PAUL JOE REEVES HERE THE WIFE JUST BROWSING WIGAN WORLD.CAME ACROSS THE WALLGATE STORIES. SHE REMEMBERS YOU BEING OVER IN WIGAN ANUMBER OF YEARS AGO IN THE BALL N BOOT

Posted by: shaun1966 (1) Report abuse
i hope this helps going back awhile my aunty married tony keeley back in 1930's her name was maryann o'leary she lived in victoria street not sure where tony was from in wigan

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
I have mentioned some of the shops in the streets off wallgate and thought I would try to compile a list of these small shops of which there must have been hundreds.As far as I can recollect in York St.we had the off-licence(Mrs Tyldesley),the butchers (Mr.and Mrs. Baxendale) Griffiths who sold Tizer,firewood and shoe laces,Fairhursts up York St East (Groceries and confectionary),Whittles? cycle shop and
the grocers next door who may have been Cunningham and Whetheralls the grocers.There was also a small shop that sold knitwear and wool.What a hive of industry and commerce in just one small street and on top of that we had all the horse and cart traders,Letmans milk,groceries and fresh fish.Last but not least the occassional visit of the knife grinder.Insurance money collectors did their rounds as did the rent man (Mr.Mathews)and the bookies runner.We were one of the few streets that didn't have a pub.

Posted by: molly (297)  Report abuse
corner of Bridgewater st.. bridgewater pub owned by Elsie @ Bill hartley .oposite corner used to be roy cafe .. next st was egerton st lefthand side was farrs moter repairs. oposite corner was mrs livesys chippy.. next door was mrs greens toffee shop these were just 2 small streets
egerton st is now middleton and woods funeral place.. i believe.......
who can finish Caroline st..Miss burns toffee shop and famous penny drinks..across the rd Barlows sold religious items .. what was the name of the little bakery higher up from st josephs ?

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
I'll put them on my list Molly.Forgot to mention the coalmans door to door deliveries.He would carry his sack down the lobby and tip it under the stairs.

Posted by: molly (297)  Report abuse
dave that would have been John Morris the coal man .he lived in poolstock coronation st i think
. the rent collector was Joe Lowe.
do you remember Mickey Gormely the rag and bone man always used to rattle two plates together when he came in the st ..donkey stones for old rags or if you were lucky you got a cup an saucer

Posted by: paulfitz (3) Report abuse
All members of my family are now denying saying my grandad was related to eunice bolver, not sure where I got it from . Read through some of the entries to my Grandma and she thinks this whole interweb stuff is great now.

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
Hi Molly,I remember as a child sitting on the lav at the bottom of the yard reading the lavatory paper.All would be quiet when suddenly a horrible noise would scare the daylight out of me,"aaagggboooo" it shouted "aaagggbooo".I would sit there terrified until the rag and bone man had gone.

Posted by: paul (1531)  Report abuse
n 17 the docs . Hello Joe, I remember you well. I was actually over in Wigan this weekend fot Derek (Degsey) Heatons wedding on Friday and on Saturday went to the Great Britain versus New Zealand match and a couple of pints with Brian Ready in the Charles Dickens afterwards!

Posted by: pancake (7)  Report abuse
just hopping through messages. It brings back many memories. I wasborn in Haig st.(Dobbs Fold)in 1935 I went to st thomass. I rmember Tom Hughes bike shop at the top of the street and nelly daveys chip shop and gregory's chip shop and toppings shop in miry lane. On wallgate was nelsons toffee shop,fanny lea,s papershop,acloggers, 6d doctors(portman) and many more. The bakers in caroline st was Donaldsons, a cousin.Freddy Dyke was a policeman who played a bit for Wigan RL. His grandson is Barry John Mather.

Posted by: yipeee (2)   Report abuse
My mam was brought up in wallgate, she lived in Sharp street, her name was Mary Melling, her sister is called Joan, my grandma and grandad were called Tommy and Sarah Melling.
Im sure there was a brewery or bottle yard opposite them in the street.
My mam would love to read all these messages, i know it would bring back lots of memories for her.

Posted by: yipeee (2)   Report abuse
Does anyone have any pictures of wallgate ?
I am also after pictures of poolstock between 1974 - 1990.
If anyone can help contact me at yipeee at blueyonder.co.uk

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
Thanks for all the shop names pancake.For the life of me I could not remember the name of the sweet shop in Miry Lane.....Mr Toppings.We used to hand over our sweet coupons for a quarter of sweets.I remember Freddy Dyke our friendly copper.He once gave me a leg up over the railway fence to retrieve our football.

Posted by: İartİ (6152) Report abuse
Freddy Dyke used to be in the Sea Cadets, same time as me late 40's/early 50's.
Martin Ryan (RIP)& Eunice were regulars in the Old Pear Tree for years.
here's a pic of Martin, playing the part of priest,marrying an owd pensioner to a young lady, in the Pear Tree:


Posted by: fishlizzie (432) Report abuse
re Caroline St shops.....Charlie Nolan's on the right going up from wallgate....he was a tailor and sold clothing/shoes etc.
he made all my Dad's suits and also made coats/hats for me and my sister.
You could have a "book" and pay weekly!
When I was 4, my sister 8, we had a baby brother and after saving all our pennies to but something for Mother's birthday, we went to Charlies, taking the baby with us in his pram.
We bought a silk hankie for a shilling and were so excited and rushed home with it.
Mother said "where's our Lawrence?"
W had left him outside the shop!
Found him being wheeled up and down Caroline St by an old woman!

I think there was a shop called Hollands too at the top of Cross St.

Posted by: bumper (311) Report abuse
Hi could any of you tell me more about the hollis's in clayton street who had the wagons .I have been told the lived on prescott street, thanks a lot Bumper!

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
Hi Bumber,I remember the Hollis's.Old man Hollis and his two sons ran a haulage business at the bottom end of Clayton St.The lorries were I think,were 2nd World War Army trucks.One of the sons used to take my brother out with him for the day.Often they would pick up from Liverpool Docks as in those days it was a thriving port.The old man always looked very severe and spent his time servicing the trucks.

Posted by: bumper (311) Report abuse
hi Dave, thanks for that he did have four sons and a daughter he died in parbold in the 70s .Everyone said he was strict he used to take four lads for suits to save money .he did have some wagons I have go pics of them any more info thanks again

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
Love to see the photos bumper.One of his sons was a huge practical joker.He once slammed on his brakes and jumping out of the cab ran into the shop in Clayton St."Have you any Ice Buns?" he asked."Yes we do" came the reply."Then go slide on them"he said making a quick exit.

Posted by: lucky_lady_0404 (158)  Report abuse
dont think st georges street was only for rc cos i grew up in george street lived thr from birth till i was 9yrs old then we moved and i was ce went to st thomases school oh the good old days no hot water no electric only a gas mantel no teley no wonder we all had big families then lol

Posted by: lucky_lady_0404 (158)  Report abuse
does anybody remember the lady with 2 wooden legs she used 2 live at the top ov great george street in the houses that had steps leading up to thr doors cant remember her name she would sit outside her house evry day she actually tought me to knit and i still drop stitches to ths day

Posted by: bumper (311) Report abuse
Dave the childrens names where Tom,Bill,Edmund,Lawerence,and bessie.whats there today do you know ?
bumper

Posted by: KatieD (62) Report abuse
Hi lucky lady,I remember the lady with the two wooden legs.It always amazed me how she managed to get up and down the steps.I lived in Prescott Street and as kids we used to play in the railway sheds,jumping on the turntable when the steam engines were being turned,pretty dangerous thinking about it now.My friend and I used to stand under the "little tunnel"that connected Prescott Street to York Street when it was raining and sing all the latest pop songs,the acoustics were great!Does anyone remember the little row of houses just past the tunnel? Someone who lived in one of them played the piano quite beautifully.There were also houses on each side at the Prescott Street end,just before the White Bull pub,Anyone remember those?

Posted by: lucky_lady_0404 (158)  Report abuse
hi does any1 remember sherringtons shop and the second hand shop on wallgate just under the bridge going down from wigan on the right hand side oh yea and the chippy 6pence fr a bag ov chips and scratchings they were yummy can taste them now out ov newspaper

Posted by: lucky_lady_0404 (158)  Report abuse
hello does any1 remember the hornby family from clayton street as it is my mothers maiden name im trying to trace any ov my family

Posted by: lucky_lady_0404 (158)  Report abuse
does any1 remeber the tarbuck family from darlington street they lived next door to the foundry pub and the pepper mill was at the back now its liddle supermarket

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
Hi lucky lady,I remember sherringtons very well.My dad used to buy his leather there to sole and heal our shoes.We may have been poor but always walked on leather unless we wore clogs.KatieD I remember the Bull and the houses either side of the Little Tunnel but never new who lived in them.I remember the turntable by the engine sheds.When I was very young my Grandfather took me down there to give a little food to the Italian prisoners who were taken there to work.There was a huge coal pile down there and I am sure the railwy didn't miss the few cobs that went missing.

Posted by: marken (345) Report abuse
Katie. The pianist was Joe Parkinson.

Posted by: lucky_lady_0404 (158)  Report abuse
i lived at great george street at no 21 i remember sum ov the families there was the brookes the chadwicks

Posted by: lucky_lady_0404 (158)  Report abuse
wallgate i remember it well marsdins shop the old doctors surgery the newspaper shop next door the old chippy didnt go any further down than that midleton & woods cos iv u went there u werent cuming out lol

Posted by: lucky_lady_0404 (158)  Report abuse
i remember sum ov the people from great george street wallgate i lived at no21 there was the chadwicks family the brookes

Posted by: lucky_lady_0404 (158)  Report abuse
i remember the outside privvi no posh toilet roll holder a 6 ins nail on the back ov the door and no posh toilet paper either with the labrador puppy it was newspaper and iv u were lucky u didnt get print on your bottom lol we was good recyckle then to. and iv u eard a noise on the roof it was only lads pinching the lead off the roof to weigh in oh yea and the slop stone sink was cold. and we all ad a tin bath hung outside our back doors. washing days were always mondays with the dolly tub and mangle never figured out wy it was wash days on mondays .any1 no

Posted by: KatieD (62) Report abuse
Hi marken,yes you are right,it was Joe Parkinson who played the piano,you have a good memory!What was that little row of houses called?I know the other side of the tunnel was called Bridge End.Our big communal back garden or yard I suppose we called it then backed on to the houses in Bridge End.There was a big wash house with a boiler in it and all the women who belonged to the yard would be in there on a Monday doing their washing.They didn't seem to change the water from what I can remember so it wasn't good to be the last one to wash.My Mother never used the wash house,she prefered to use a "rubbing board" and a huge black pan to boil whites in on the fire,one of those huge black ranges that we had to "blacklead" every Saturday for some reason.Those were the days!

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
A very Happy Christmas to everyone who participated in the Wallgate Street and Families thread.It has been a most pleasant experience reading all the comments through 2007.It was a good place to grow up for most of us with rich memories of a community that disappeared in the name of progress.I hope more memories will be recalled in 2008.

Posted by: annefair (872) Report abuse
Here Here Dave Merry Christmas to everyone on Wigan World.

Posted by: number uno (241) Report abuse
Hi Paul your jimmy is no manager he likes to think he is and not looking after is mum is shame on him HIS MUM is the best friend he will ever have so its hes loss and all the people at Heinz no what hes like anyway

Posted by: molly (297)  Report abuse
well said dave .. i too would like to thank everyone for thier posts .it has brought back so many memories of dear old wallgate . and to everyone .
A VERY HAPPY SAFE CHRISTMAS .TO YOU AND YOURS.. AND MAY THE NEW YEAR BE THE BEST ONE EVER
MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE . FROM ME IN AUSTRALIA

Posted by: paul (1531)  Report abuse
Hellp number uno, thank you for your kind comments. Personally, I don't care if he's a manager or a cleaner, but its his loss either way. Even though my mother is 88, she's (luckily) got all her faculties, so she knows whats going on and it sometimes makes her very sad, At the moment though, she is anything BUT sad, stopping up every night chatting to the grandkids (kids?) until nearly midnight. Your right about the best friend bit as well, I have the feeling he will bitterly regret ignoring her when she is no longer here. Anyway Merry Christmas p.s. number uno, do you work at Heinz as well?

Posted by: number uno (241) Report abuse
HI Paul i do and like you say its his loss and i will tell you something he has lost the best Friend he will ever ever have but the best thing in all this you still have the best Friend with you and she knows that beaus you remember she brought you up and made you that kind of man so have a very happy Christmas and a very good new year to your mother and the rest of your family because he will be the one not having is best friend with him

Posted by: snowman (830) Report abuse
Merry Christmas numero uno, can I ask you if there no way you can shame him at work? Do the people at Heinz know about him his mum and Wigan World? I cant understand why no one has said anything to him. Know what I'd say!

Posted by: alanrabster (59)  Report abuse
does anyone rember bessie dykes chippy on prescott street she was the mother of the bobby freddie dykes

Posted by: paul (1531)  Report abuse
Hiya alanrabster, my mother remembers when there was TWO chip shops in prescot street. One was opposite the White Bull and one was opposite the cattle market.

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
I remember Mrs Dykes chippy very well and Freddie who often did his beat on the streets around Wallgate.Chips were 4pence or 6pence depending on the size of the portion (early fifties prices)and most people took there own bowl for there chips.Freddie kept an eye on us youngsters and I remember him now as a good community policeman.The shop was half way between the Bull and Miry Lane on the opposite side of the street.Almost opposite the Bull was the entrance to the engine sheds where the industrial site is now.The only houses remaining from that time are those opposite the old cattle market at the top end near Frog Lane.

Posted by: itsme (179) Report abuse
as a child i lived at 128 grt george st went st josephs, in my class from wallgate were. madaline tigh,rita kelly,
margaret fairhurst her grandma owned sharples shop, my grandma was alice keogh

Posted by: snowman (830) Report abuse
Hi itsme, what class was you in a St Josephs, was it Mr. Unsworths and do you remember the headmaster Mr. Cain?

Posted by: itsme (179) Report abuse
hello snowman i started school about 1955 coz ime 56 now my first teacher was mrs gormly, mrs todd was my last teacher and was it mrs dutton who used to put the fear of god in you? cant remember heads name

Posted by: snowman (830) Report abuse
Hello again itsme, just remembered St Josephs was segregated, there were no girls in my class at all, worse luck!

Posted by: jonah (22)  Report abuse
Found this thread very interesting.My family came from Wallgate.It was a street off Miry Lane.It was called Vere Street.I think that is how it was spelt.It was my grandparents home.They where called jim and Beatie Monaghan.Their only daughter was Pat Monaghan.They used to tell me all the old stories about the area.In those days my pop said everyone looked out for each other and you could go out and leave your door wide open.I was born in 1964 and i am sure they where still living there when i was born ?

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
Hello jonah.I lived just around the corner from Vere St.It was a short street,just a few houses and ended at the railway embankment.A lot of the streets were still there in 64 but the big demolition had already started and huge areas had been cleared.

Posted by: jonah (22)  Report abuse
Sorry it has took me a while too reply.Did you by any chance know my Grandparents ?

Posted by: lynnm (16) Report abuse
My grandparents joe and elizabeth holland lived in clayton streer we lived at 5 york street east.

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
Hi lynnm,I went to school with Alan Myers and Irene Mills from York St.East.Allthough I was born in York St. my last address before I left England in 1966 was Appleton St. at the top of York St.East.Good to see this Wallgate thread go on and on.

Posted by: 1934granada (inactive) Report abuse
Dave Marsh, Do you remember Roy Thornley, his father Frank, Barry Taylor, Billy and Maggie Taylor? They lived in Bradford Street, Johnsons Terrace. Roy would be about ten years older than yourself. He attended St Thomas's and then went to All Saints. He used to go in St Thomas's club. He was a very good friend of Norman Cherrington the Wigan second row forward.

Posted by: empress (9660)   Report abuse
I love this thread, so am knocking it back up to the top cos I have read it all so far. My mam was raised in Wallgate, so its good reading about how it was.

Posted by: crabby (69) Report abuse
if everyone remembers all the streets in wallgate eg clayton st etc then does anyone remember the little tunnel that went through to frog lane then, i heard a few storys about that tunnel from my old grandma that lived in the street next to sharp street, make ya hair curl, ghosts and stuff, which street was halliwells bottlers in then?

Posted by: marken (345) Report abuse
The little tunnel is from York St. to Prescott St.I went through it quite a lot at night, in my courting days but I never saw any ghosts.

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
We played football on a bit of spare ground at the York St. end of the tunnel.P.C.Freddie Dyke would nod his approval as he pounded his beat.There was a warehouse (Seddons) close by and the owners let us move our Coronation street party under cover when it began to rain.

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
Give your mum my very kind regards empress,this could run longer than Coronation Street.

Posted by: susiew (181) Report abuse
bert whittle is my dad if its the same one. he was a bus conductor/driver in the 70s. my mum lived i wallgate as a girl and moved to ridyard st later on. ot sure of dates tho. mums name is kathleen whittle nee highton.

Posted by: fish n chips (32) Report abuse
MY DAD AND HIS FAMILY GREW UP IN MIRY LANE,THE AINSCOUGHS,DOES ANYONE REMEMBER ANY OF THEM?DADS AGED 66 NOW.

Posted by: patricia (112) Report abuse
Hi susiew was your family related to the sinclairs i have a relation by the name of bert whittle and he worked on the buses. what is your grandmas name.

Posted by: number uno (241) Report abuse
crabby halliwells bottlers was in wilcock st

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
Hi fish n' chips,your dad is 1 year older than me and I lived in York Street so our paths must have crossed.

Posted by: crabby (69) Report abuse
thanks number uno, i do remember now yes, see some people still do remember

Posted by: number uno (241) Report abuse
dose any one rember the pro fottballer who lived in wilcock st

Posted by: fish n chips (32) Report abuse
Hi fish n' chips,your dad is 1 year older than me and I lived in York Street so our paths must have crossed...



HI DAVE MARSH,REPLYING TO YOUR POST ABOVE...^

My dad is George(aged 66)he had a brother Jack and sisters Dot and Doreen.They lived on miry lane.

Posted by: tony j (497)  Report abuse
i think the pro footballer would be john pearson, went to man utd.

Posted by: annefair (872) Report abuse
My husband worked at Halliwells bottlers.Does anyone know Trevor Ramsdale?It was about 1967.

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
Hi fish n' chips,It's been a long time (over 50 years) the surname rings a bell but my minds a bit blank.Which end of Miry Lane did they live in,the Wallgate end or down by the railway.

Posted by: bluesfan (1415)  Report abuse
We lived in Yates St, My dad's name is Joe Topping he worked in the mills back then and I used to wait for him at the top of Miry Lane when I was a nipper. My name is Tony Topping and I attended St Joes till 1965. My Mam's name was Jean Hurley.

Posted by: number uno (241) Report abuse
tony i you are spot on did you live in wilcock st because he played football with us some times on the park you was able to get on the park from wilcock st and sharp st

Posted by: lynnm (16) Report abuse
my grandparents came from wilcox st and we lived in york stree east dad used to sing and tony keeley used to play piono dad is steve adams

Posted by: tony j (497)  Report abuse
number uno,no i didn't live round there, but i knew jimmy hart very well, he used to play football on the park as well.

Posted by: fish n chips (32) Report abuse
Hi fish n' chips,It's been a long time (over 50 years) the surname rings a bell but my minds a bit blank.Which end of Miry Lane did they live in,the Wallgate end or down by the railway.

FOR DAVE MARSH-
I ASKED MY DAD AND HE SAID HE LIVED IN LEEDS STREET AND KNEW EVERYONE AROUND MIRY LANE SO I BET YOU WOULD KNOW EACH OTHER BUT AS YOU SAID ITS BEEN A LONG TIME!(IM SURE IF IM NOT MISTAKEN HE SAID HE LIVED NEAR "UNCLE TOMS CABIN"?(OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT?)DO YOU KNOW WHAT HE MEANS?

Posted by: stalin (inactive) Report abuse
Uncle Toms cabin was the name of a pub in Miry Lane. Near Nelly Davies Fish & Chip shop.

Posted by: fish n chips (32) Report abuse
OH THANKS STALIN FOR THAT BIT OF INFO,I COULDNT QUITE RECALL WHAT DAD HAD TOLD ME BUT NOW I KNOW,ITS A PUB.(SHOULD HAVE GUESSED!!!)LOL

Posted by: cerridwen (746)   Report abuse
For those old St. Joseph's folks... Here it is today..

Photo by aisforandy..


Posted by: molly (297)  Report abuse
cerridwen.... thankyou for the photo.. it so sad to see such a fine old church go. it is many years ago that i last walked into st josephs. it was closed then . but millie the caretaker let me in for a last look around.. i spent many many hours in that fine old church i made my 1st communion there and my confirmation.. when fr o'shea was priest.
but the memories of the beautiful masses and the people who attended st josephs will always be with me..

Posted by: molly (297)  Report abuse
cerridwen.... thankyou for the photo.. it so sad to see such a fine old church go. it is many years ago that i last walked into st josephs. it was closed then . but millie the caretaker let me in for a last look around.. i spent many many hours in that fine old church i made my 1st communion there and my confirmation.. when fr o'shea was priest.
but the memories of the beautiful masses and the people who attended st josephs will always be with me..

Posted by: daniel (217)  Report abuse
Whats the plans for St Josephs is there anything in the pipeline to change it to something else?

Posted by: cerridwen (746)   Report abuse
The building should have been pulled down when the church closed. However some bright spark decided it should be listed, so it now stands empty and very sad.

Molly I went to St. Joseph's school, and remember Fr. shea(just) Mum mopped those altar steps every week. Dad fitted the bell that still hangs up over the roof. His name was Gerry Hodgkinson. Mum was Cathrine called Kath or Kathleen. She is still living , in a nursing home in Hindley. Don't know if you know any of them?

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
Hi,fish n' chips.I think Uncle Toms was the pub on the corner of Leeds St.and Miry Lane.I think the Shufflebottoms lived next to the Pub which was on the opposite corner to the Chippy.One side of Leeds Street was taken up entirely by the boundry wall of the factory.I must have passed your dads each time we took our bowl to the chippy.All those streets were traffic free except for the various traders going on their rounds and even that was usually horse and cart.I can only recall two motor cars in the area and that was the butcher and the plumber.There were always children playing their various street games with no objections from any of the householders unlike today when the police are called if a ball is kicked against someones wall.

Posted by: cerridwen (746)   Report abuse
If anyone is interested I have just put some pics of St. Joseph's church on my blog.

Posted by: molly (297)  Report abuse
cerridwen thanks for the photos on your blog hope you don't mind but i have now got them as a screen saver on my puter.. and yes i remember the lady who used to mop those steps but i did not remember her name .. but she was always humming a hymn.. what was her maiden name ?
st joes was such a grand old church..i spent many hours hiding in there when i was in trouble at home .. (which was very often)
i was wondering if your mum would have any old walking day photos of st joes? would you mind asking her

Posted by: itsme (179) Report abuse
did the lady that looked after the church have a son joseph or am i dreaming?=

Posted by: plumbob (187) Report abuse
It's been great reading about Wallgate and Miry Lane i used to live in Lea St and went to St Thomas's and then All Saints school i would like to try and find my old mate Margaret Owen from Chapel Lane, she was in St George's house and was school captain in our final year at school, are you are anybody who knows her out there

Posted by: bluechieftain2 (inactive) Report abuse
Who remembers Joe Morris's garage in Miry Lane?

Posted by: bluechieftain2 (inactive) Report abuse
Who remembers Joe Morris's garage in Miry Lane?

Posted by: dark horse (290)  Report abuse
My grandad John (Jack) Morton bought my mam a necklace from a shop i Wallgate for her 21st in 1944. Does anyone have an idea what the shop might have been called please? Also I am trying to do a family tree, so if anyone knew the Mortons or Higgins's I would be so grateful for any information, pictures etc. I know an uncle was living with Jack and Maggie I think they called him Bulger.The Rachel I mentioned earlier in the thread was Rachel Winrow I have since found out. Many thanks to anyone who can help.

Posted by: lucky_lady_0404 (158)  Report abuse
well i lived in great george street and im defanattly prodistant so sum1 gt all thr wires croosed thr sumwere

Posted by: keona (146)   Report abuse
Hi everyone
I love this thread my family grew up in this area does anyone know the Fisher family there were quite alot of them, I noticed Katie D mentioned Bridge End Street my gtgtgrandmother Catherine Fisher lived at no 3 other relatives Lyons, Mcmahons, Sollars, Fairhurst, Garrett, Donahue all originating from Prescott Street area I am doing my family tree and would love to hear from any descendants

Posted by: jackdog (489) Report abuse
Mrs Wallace was the lady who kept St Joseph's, I think. Joe Wallace was her son.

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
Hi keona,I lived in York St.and Bridge end was a few steps away.There were 2 or three houses on the York St.side with a small area of land in front of them then going through the tunnel there were a couple of houses on the left then The Bull public house and a few houses on the right.There is a photo of mine in the streets section (York St. showing Bridge End)but I have never seen photographs of the houses or pub that was there.I remember the Athertons who lived by the engine sheds.

Posted by: reenie (180)  Report abuse
my grandma lived in caroline st a few doors up from st; joseph's her name was n.crompton

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
Hi Keona,I sat next to Ann Humphreys aged 11 at St Thomas's,1952.

Posted by: keona (146)   Report abuse
Hi Dave
Humphreys is my married name don't know much about this side I'm afraid but thanks anyway

Posted by: lindseydot (2) Report abuse
My husbands family came from Wallgate, they are Lannon and my Mum also came from wallgate, catterall, her Dad was John and Mum was Harriett (nee Dobson) my husbands Dad is called Sylvester Lannon

Posted by: saintpat (786) Report abuse
my husbands family all came from wallgate and to lindseydot my husbands family are dobsons and he had an aunt harriet and uncle john his dads name was ted dobson

Posted by: mojim (1679) Report abuse
I lived in great george street all my life until just before it was demolished.I remember all the shops on wallgate and most of the families,the mcmahons,brenda clarke who had dark curly hair,tommy sweeney who at one stage went to africa,the queens head was further down our street,their daughter used to shout the dogs name(qeenie)as she rounded the top of the street.the lowes,callaghans(who later took the ropemakers in caroline street).the deaf and dumb old lady in our street who was also a sweeney.middletons,whittakers and so on and so on,it was a brilliant place to have your childhood.

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
Hello mojim,this thread keeps bringing back the memories.I had 3 boyhood friends from Gt.George St. in the 50's.Roy Jackson,my best mate and Tony Deane,who lived a few doors away.Tony had a very serious accident involving a lorry but luckily survived.We used to hang on the tailgates of what few lorries drove through the streets and take a ride to nowhere.Geoffrey Green was a real nice lad who sadly died at a very young age.My very last address in England was 8 Appleton St. just off Great George St.It was 1966 and almost all the houses had been demolished.I tell this one as Les Dawson would have but it is true.When the house next door was knocked down,they used a ball and chain then,me and the Mrs.would lie in bed watching the stars through a crack in the wall.10 minutes after I closed the front door for the last time the house was a pile of rubble.We were very happy there and the Mrs. did her best to be Northern and even kept a pigeon in the back yard....happy days.

Posted by: budgie-uk (inactive) Report abuse
hi bluechieftan2 i used to live at 49 miry lane and joe morriss`s garage was in our backs , my name was sheila gladwin i have a brother called billy , i went to st thomas`s and all saints my mam is maggie and my dad was john , i lived next door to tony +teresa berry and the murphys on our right , next to the berrys was a girl called anita and i think they moved to canada and next to them was brenda billinge , i remember playing down on the sands on the round bricks never bothered about the stink from gallegers , it was one of gallegers lorrys that killed our little dog monty and never stopped some things you never forget. joe morris used to come in our house for a drink of tea and he had a mean called billy working for him , my aunty silvia had the shop next to the chippy called toppings and we used to go on a thursday for toffees we had sixpence each to spend and it was put in a book and payed for at the weekend

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
Hi Budgie,I remember Toppings and an elderly grey haired gentleman who was always on the go.We used to take our sweet coupons there to buy a few sweeties.You have jogged my memory about the round bricks,we would leap from one to another oblivious of danger.Talking of dogs,there was always a small terrier hanging around the corner of Horsfield St. and if we said "rats" as we passed,he would follow us down to the cobs where we would dig for rats and finish them of with the help of the dog.I'm talking 1950 and upwards here.Maybe those round concrete cob were originally intended as anti tank barriers.I know that Chester Zoo where I worked built the original polar bear pit using similar cobs.

Posted by: budgie-uk (inactive) Report abuse
hi dave marsh do you remember a lad being murdered in the sands , i think the man lived near Bluecoat school who did it, did your dad used to go fishing with the Colliers Arms , my dad had a mate called Marsh who he went fishing with

Posted by: budgie-uk (inactive) Report abuse
hi carolastin do you remember me i think i was in your class at school, st thomas`s
i used to sit near Harold Mac Andrew in front was Kathleen Brown and Alan Davis then June Shufflebottom and Jim Atherton then Dorothy Hilton and (i think ) David Prince then at the front desk were Lynn Smith and Terence Richards, I have been on friends reunite for 12 months and got now were i found this site last night and have seen many of my old friends and neighbours, i went to Christine Hornbys 50th ten years ago it is my 60th in december and im having a big party

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
Hello budgie-uk,I remember little Billy Harmer very well.He came to our class at St.Thomas's when we were 10 years old.He wore a leg caliper and had spent time in care and as a result he spoke in a less broad accent than the rest of us.He was a very polite little boy and seemed a bit quiet and reserved.I believe the evil person responsible for the crime was hanged at Walton prison.I always think of little Billy and say God Bless whenever I pass that spot.Of all the boys then, he was the one who deserved a break.
Yes,my dad was an expert angler who made all his own rods,works of art they were,but I think you must be refering to my younger brother John, who did a lot of fishing with a pub land lord from Frog Lane.

Posted by: budgie-uk (inactive) Report abuse
hi dave marsh my dads been dead now since 1982 i think your brother was my brothers friend his name is billy gladwin he was 60 in december last year , do you remember the stores at the corner before you went under little tunnel , i vagely remember my mam going with a ration book for butter and tea , also i am trying to trace my cousin Eunice she is the daughter of Billy Gladwin who was killed in w.w.2. my dad had 4 brothers Billy , Tom, my dad John, Harry and Clarence(Clet), as there is only my mam and Clet left i would love to find Eunice as its my 60th in december and want to invite her as she saved my life when i was 5

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
Indeed I remember the stores by the Tunnel,budgie uk .I think it was Mr Cunningham.One of those shops that sold everything with the little bycycle shop next door on the corner.On the other side of the shop was the Mellings and Mr Melling taught me how to swim at the old Wigan Baths."Jump and I'll catch you" He didn't, and hey presto I learned how to swim.Seddons warehouse was opposite and that where we ended up with our Coronation street Party when it began to rain.Hope you find Eunice,how old would she be now?

Posted by: budgie-uk (inactive) Report abuse
hi dave marsh i think Eunice will be 66 her dad was killed in 1942 and never saw her so she will be round about that age her mother came from one of the streets at the bottom of miry lane but i dont know which one her name was sally bradshaw

Posted by: budgie-uk (inactive) Report abuse
to dave marsh how do i make a quick link to wallgte streets and families?

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
Names ring a bell budgie uk but the memory fails me.I do remember June Shufflebottom from St.Thomas's School.Quick link wise,try adding it to favourites.

Posted by: budgie-uk (inactive) Report abuse
thanks dave marsh will do that. no june shufflebottom lived next to uncle toms cabin she was in my class at school shes about 59-60

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
Budgie-uk, Did June have an older sister Barbara?

Posted by: budgie-uk (inactive) Report abuse
hi dave marsh yes i think she did

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
Cheers budgie-uk,it would have been the older sister in my class.I certainly remember them living next to the pub.We are going back 55years now so the old brainbox can kick into gear now and then.Thanks for the memories,I have enjoyed our chats.I am away now for a few weeks...hope the Wallgate thread continues to give pleasure to many more,thanks to cherryandwhite.

Posted by: dark horse (290)  Report abuse
mojim I used to go to tommy and Maggie sweeneys often as a child. they had a black labrador. One time a wagon drove straight into their house and there was a picture of Tommy and Maggie in the paper surrounded by bricks and stuff. My parents live at 188A Wallgate which was the Coffee House. I recognize a lot of names in this thread but they are really only whisps of memories. My mam and dad Nellie (nee morton)and Jack Higgins would have loved this thread. Jack and Meg Morton were my mums parents and they were living at the coffee house for years. They had 13 kids but only four grew up. I have only found out the name of one child - vincent morton who died at six months. Any body remember them? Perhaps PAULFITZ mum might.

Posted by: coco (885)   Report abuse
hi carolastin do you remember me i think i was in your class at school, st thomas`s
i used to sit near Harold Mac Andrew in front was Kathleen Brown and Alan Davis then June Shufflebottom and Jim Atherton then Dorothy Hilton and (i think ) David Prince then at the front desk were Lynn Smith and Terence Richards, I have been on friends reunite for 12 months and got now were i found this site last night and have seen many of my old friends and neighbours, i went to Christine Hornbys 50th ten years ago it is my 60th in december and im having a big party

Posted by: andycapp (inactive) Report abuse
Coco did Jim Atherton have an older brother frank. Plus a sister Nadine.

Posted by: coco (885)   Report abuse
yes andycapp he did thet lived opposite me in miry lane

Posted by: andycapp (inactive) Report abuse
Coco then you must have lived near Mick Lea. Our Frank died a dew years ago Our Jim and Nadine are still around. I had two aunties and my grandma lived in Miry Lane.

Posted by: coco (885)   Report abuse
yes i did i lived at 49 joe morris had his garage in our backs, i remember Mick Lea having polio and being in Wrightinton for a long time, we used to go and visit him and take his sister Mary , they lived in the first house that stepped back , do you remember my brother Billy,

Posted by: copperhead (1239)  Report abuse
My Great Grandfather live at No 48 Miry Lane in 1896 my Grandparents lived at No 35 from 1896 to 1917 my Father was born at No 35 in 1906.

Posted by: coco (885)   Report abuse
copperhead what were their names

Posted by: copperhead (1239)  Report abuse
hi Coco my Great Grandfather was William Bagnall he lived at 48 My Grandparents were James and Annie Guest they lived at 35 untill 1916/17. then they moved to Ince.

Posted by: coco (885)   Report abuse
sorry copperhead before my time 1948

Posted by: copperhead (1239)  Report abuse
I realised it was well before your time Coco. Didn't think you were that old lol. I just wondered if there was any of them still in the area in the 1950/60's. Particularly the Bagnalls they moved from Miry Lane to Taylor Street. I pretty much know where all the Guest finished up.
Hope you find all your old friends for your Birthday bash.

Posted by: coco (885)   Report abuse
cheers copperhead ive found 4 already thanks to itsme on ww

Posted by: coco (885)   Report abuse
did anyone ever go on a cherabang to morecome lights with i think mrs howorth out of sharp st, we used to pay sixpence a week for 12 months and went to a park in morcombe, we all got a stick of rock on the way home

Posted by: empress (9660)   Report abuse
I'm taking this back to the top, I love reading this thread. Its my mams area and grandmothers.

Posted by: bluechieftain2 (inactive) Report abuse
Coco I seem to remember a Mrs Howarth. Was she a big lady?

I can't remember exactly where Sharp St was. Was it near Leeds St or Swan St?

Posted by: shevylad (42) Report abuse
Hi just cathing up with this thread as my health has not been too good. Well Dave I knew Bert Whittle he owned thegrocery shop one of the first to have a car and joe cunningham was related he was the lead singer with St Joes Opera Eileen Frain and Marie Cox also took part. I knew Mrs wetherall very well as I took the meat orders there in the war years for her customers who were on munitions and other jobs.Did you know Syd Cross at 9 Vere St I sat next to him at school (st joes}. Now for Molly and Cerridwen I knew Fr Shee very well I was an alterboy and he wanted me to go for the priesthood thank god he did@nt succeed his parents in Ireland left him a fair amount of money so he built a brick garage on to the church and a little Standard 8 car and he paid for the marble alter rails the rest went to charity and there was Helen Morgan who went to be a Nun and Miss Duffy had her breakfast at our house every morning before school i could write a book about Wallgate so more later

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
Hello shevvylad,sorry to hear you haven't been to good and hope you are feeling better.Mrs. Wetherall was a lovely lady and a good friend of my mothers,was her name Betty?Mrs Baxendale (Mollie)had the butchers just round the corner in York St.She was another lovely lady,always busy.Her husband owned one of the few cars and I can remember that he kindly drove me and my mother to Southport to see my dad in hospital just before dad died.All good things come in threes and close by was Sissy Griffiths little shop.You had to go through to her living room to ask for something from the shop.A very kind old lady.Why did it all have to go?

Posted by: mojim (1679) Report abuse
hello shevylad,I too am sorry you haven't been so good.I went to st joes,and remember Eileen Frain,who could forget a voice like hers.Marie Cox was the older sister of my school friend Pauline, they also had a brother Billy.I could talk about Wallgate all day, my heart is still there along with my memories, I hope you start feeling better very soon.

Posted by: bluechieftain2 (inactive) Report abuse
Yes, but where was Sharp St?

Posted by: bluechieftain2 (inactive) Report abuse
WHERE WAS SHARP ST? Somebody must know.

Posted by: 1934granada (inactive) Report abuse
As you cut through under the little railway bridge off Prescott Street that brings you out near a dairy I think its somewhere near there. Sharp Street still exists as I've seen the street sign.

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
Sharp St. lay between Wilcock St. and Tickle St. off Wallgate just befor Seven Stars Bridge.

Posted by: bluechieftain2 (inactive) Report abuse
Thank you 1934granada and davemarsh, but I think Sharp St was off Miry Lane.

Unlike other streets in that area it doesn't come up under STREETMAP or GOOGLEMAP. And yet I recall it so well from my childhood. But I can't remember exactly where it was. Am I going mad?

SOMEBODT PLEASE HELP!!!!

Posted by: copperhead (1239)  Report abuse
Dave Marsh is right I'm looking at the map and there it is.

Posted by: molly (297)  Report abuse
thanks shevylad for your post . sorry to hear you not been well hope your feeling better now..... so you was an alter boy at St Joe's did you know Billy devine he lived in egerton st. john an kevin quinlan.. vincent glynn from bridgewater st.. and Eileen Frain what a glorious voice that girl had.. used to send shivers down my spine when she sang ave maria... and who could forget Miss Hamilton who played the organ at st joe's. could have listened to her all day every day. such happy memories. as proven by the fact that this thread just like wallgate will not fade away

Posted by: bluechieftain2 (inactive) Report abuse
Who remembers Bridie Corcoran who played the organ at St Joseph's for many years (but she lived in Whelley)?

Posted by: andycapp (inactive) Report abuse
dave marsh wasnt The old original Victoria Labour club in Sharp St before it was relocated to worsley Mesnes.

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
Going down Sharp St.from Wallgate Their was a large building on the left before it crossed Pennyhurst St.This may have been the Labour Club you refer to andycap,I am not sure.

Posted by: shevylad (42) Report abuse
Sharp St was the first St on the left as you as you came into Wigan over Seven Stars Bridge the club was on the corner. Wilf Brogan and Albert Eckersley 2 ex mayors were often in there until they met at the Victoria Labour Club I think Albert is still around but not sure. Well Dave a few places for your list Wheatsheaf Hotel (Mr Lowe) then Gouldings and Harry Cox (fruit) Bankes Arms (Tommy Dean)Sutcliffs (tripe)Corletts (elec) Wally Mills my sister worked for him Rita Cassinellis baby clothes and Dr Simons the shilling doctor and Marsdens the butchers the Machine House (Pub)Melbourne St and Victoria St the woodyard and Joe Whalley ( potatoes)The Grapes and then Middleton & Woods oh my God its getting nearer.We'll start at the bottom long pull and work up next post

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
Thanks for the memories shevvylad,you certainly have them stored away safely.I went to school with Irene Mills daughter of Wally the bookmaker...it was the end of the bookies runner when the betting shops became legal.Do you remember the temerance bar on Wallgate near Sharp St.We used to go in there for a 1 penny cordial.

Posted by: itsme (179) Report abuse
i lived at 128 grt george st the faulkner family

Posted by: molly (297)  Report abuse
dave the temperance bar on wallgate was next door to the post office then dr portmans then the paper shop then grimshaws chippy...oposite side of the road was the wood yard next door was the bridgewater pub cnr of bridgewater st. the next st down from bridgewater st was egerton st farrs on one cnr mrs livseys chippy on the other

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
Cheers molly,Dr.Portmans....you really bring everything back to life!The chippy must have been very busy when the factory whistle blew.

Posted by: andycapp (inactive) Report abuse
There was two temperance bars on Wallgate one was next door to the post office like you say and one Mushes was near sharp st.
accross from where you caught the ribble bus for Orrell.

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
Cheers andycap,I think it was the Sharp St. that we would have frequented.I remember we could buy 5 cigarettes at a shop on Wallgate at the top of Miry Lane.We then walked down to the Flashes to save our bus fare that we had spent on the fags and enjoyed an afternoons fishing and a woodbine.

Posted by: molly (297)  Report abuse
dave the toffee shop was ogilvys next door was a butchers then o'malleys clog shop then the temperance bar post office etc....
now lets see if anyone remembers the herbalists that used to be right hand side of wallgate past the old ribble bus depot..

Posted by: coco (885)   Report abuse
wasn`t wilcock st. the 1st on the left before seven stars bridge,sharp st was the 2nd, my auntie doris and uncle horis lived in sharp st, i used to go through the so called park to get to them , they had 3 kids dennis pauline and gillian (brighton )

Posted by: paul (1531)  Report abuse
Coco, you dont look like your nearly 60, in fact you dont look like your nearly 50!

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
Hello coco, the"park" was a bit of an enigma that I never could understand.For those who didn't know it,it was a very large piece of land plonked right in the middle of all the terraced back to backs and did not appear to serve any purpose at all.We rarely played on its concrete surface and just used it as a short cut from Wilcock St to Herbert St.

Posted by: paul (1531)  Report abuse
Morning Dave, just a word concerning the "park". I was on the phone to my mother last night and she remembers a set of swings and a roundabout, she says they were dismantled sometime in the thirties!

Posted by: andycapp (inactive) Report abuse
Swings and a roundabout was still up in the 60s. One lad fell of the swings in the early 60s and lost a leg. There where three entrances an exits from the little park. The one onto Wilcock St had an engineering works near the gate that always had sharp smelly bits of drilled metal scrap in the corner. One of the other entrances was accross from the barbers shop. The last one in the middle led onto Sharp St.

Posted by: annefair (872) Report abuse
Hi not looked at this thread for a while.It just goes on and on.Brilliant!A lot of the names are so familiar.Does anyone remember Kathleen Higham,John and James Tither,Kathleen Unsworth,Rita Murphy,Pauline Halliwell and me Anne Wareing? All lived around Edith Street/Miry Lane in the 1950's.

Posted by: paul (1531)  Report abuse
annefair, hope to see you at the WW get together and we can have a chat about Wallgate and its characters. Paul

Posted by: annefair (872) Report abuse
thanks paul look forward to seeing you and reminising.Anne

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
Hi Paul.I can remember the swings still just about swinging late 1940's...health and safety would have a field day these days.

Posted by: coco (885)   Report abuse
annefair ,i used to play with all those people you mentioned, i lived at 49 miry lane,next door to teresa +tony berry , my name was sheila gladwin and i have a brother billy, which st, did you live in?,
the swings on the park never got on them , `the big lads` used to throw them over the bars,
andycapp did you live down miry lane way ?

Posted by: coco (885)   Report abuse
paul, thanks for your comment , i`ll buy you a drink ,

Posted by: andycapp (inactive) Report abuse
coco. No I lived on Wallgate itself My grandparents and several aunts uncles and cousins all lived in Miry Lane. On my mothers side. The Howorths Riches walls Athertons.

Posted by: annefair (872) Report abuse
coco I lived in Edith Street.

Posted by: itsme (179) Report abuse
i know rita murphy and see her now and agaian she lives at goose green

Posted by: coco (885)   Report abuse
andycapp i know them all well i was in the same class as jim atherton,

annefair was edith street at the side of bellchambers shop ,i was in the same class as pauline halliwell + john tither

itsme , got up to allsorts with rita murphy, teresa berry her cousin , jean nolan, christine fairclough , kathleen brown, all above the law of course

Posted by: andycapp (inactive) Report abuse
Coco did you see the video with Our Jim Atherton on it on Youtube. He was selling the daily worker or some paper like that and shouting some rather crude remarks about some powerful people. Seeing as he was Cambridge educated it seemed funny.

Posted by: itsme (179) Report abuse
my sister joan faulkner was best mates with rita murphy through scool

Posted by: itsme (179) Report abuse
i remember all above coco i bet we know one another

Posted by: itsme (179) Report abuse
coco you know jean haverd june hall carole white ?

Posted by: itsme (179) Report abuse
the people i remember from wallgate are rita murphy jean haverd madaline tigh june hall ,rita kelly, tereasa brindle,margaret fairhurst,do you remember the lady at top of georges street with no legs used tostand at front door with two wooden poles for legs what she could have done with the false legs they have today

Posted by: molly (297)  Report abuse
andycap i knew a beatrice howarth and a dorothy ritche went to st josephs school they came from mirylane.. and there was a jimmy and dolly atherton lived in egerton st across from mirylane any relation ?

Posted by: molly (297)  Report abuse
andycap i knew a beatrice howarth and a dorothy ritche went to st josephs school they came from mirylane.. and there was a jimmy and dolly atherton lived in egerton st across from mirylane any relation ?

Posted by: andycapp (inactive) Report abuse
Dorothy Riche was one of my great aunts. Not sure about B Howorth. The Athertons lived in Miry Lane and were Nat & Agnes.two son and a daughter.

Posted by: annefair (872) Report abuse
coco yes Bellchambers was at the top of Edith St.

itsme I remember the lady with the wooden legs,when I was little I was a bit frightened of her as she stood by the door.Think that they were made of very dark coloured wood.
Anne

Posted by: annefair (872) Report abuse
St Thomas's School.I have asked before does anyone have any class photos of St.Thomas's around the years of 1955-1960.I never remember having any taken or was it that my mother didn't buy them?Please put them on WW or bring them to the get together.Thanks.Anne

Posted by: paul (1531)  Report abuse
Annefair, my mother said that the name of the lady with the wooden lega was Mrs. Lillianne Varley and she married an Irishman (!!) Hello Andycap, will you be going to the WW get together?

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
Here's a little story annefair.In my final year at St Thomas's I was made ink monitor.It was the first time I had ever reached such a heady height and it was my job every Friday to top up the inkwells.We had a tray for the little pots of ink from each desk and we would gather up the pots,take them down to the boilerhouse,top up with ink then return them to the desks.Now there was a lovely girl who sat at the far side of the classroom from me.She always wore a lovely frock and her blonde ringlets cascaded over her shoulders creating visions I should not have been entertaining for one so young.Now,as you may know,each inkwell sat in a recess in the desk and the only way to remove it was by sticking your finger into the pot and lifting it out.I must have been in a lovesick trance and the lovely lass hadn't used much ink that particular week.It all happened so quickly,a fountain of ink covered her long golden curls and her pretty white dress.For the first time in my young life I wished the earth would swallow me but thankfully that wonderful,wonderful girl just gazed at me and laughed at her own predicament.

Posted by: annefair (872) Report abuse
dave marsh Do you not remember her name?If only she was a ww member.Happy days thank you for that info it made me smile.
Anne

Posted by: coco (885)   Report abuse
andycapp iv`e not seen jim on you tube he was always the funny one in our class

itsme june hall used to go around with me and some other friends there is a picture of us all on here called 1970 ibiza and olive abbott (something like that) posted by doc of the bay
with the help of him and a couple of others i found nearly all the girls on the photo, as i`m having a party for my 60th in dec, and wanted to invite them ,

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
Off course I remember her name annefair,she was a lovely lass from the corner of Faggy Lane and I hope that life has been good to her and all my childhood friends.

Posted by: andycapp (inactive) Report abuse
coco will try to find the link and post it on here for you

Posted by: annefair (872) Report abuse
dave where was faggy lane I have not heard of that?

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
Hi annefair,Faggy Lane was just of Chapel Lane where the railway bridge crosses and ran down to Ironmonger Lane.I had an up to date photo on Wigan Streets section but I think that it has now been wiped off the map like The Ropewalk was.It is sad that streets that I have photographed in recent years now only exist in records like wiganworld.After school at St Thomas's we would sometimes go to the childrens library,up Chapel St.then right into Princess St and left into Ironmonger Lane into Faggy Lane.Then it was just a short walk to the library were we shared the Adventures with the Famous Five.

Posted by: annefair (872) Report abuse
Thanks dave for that. I was born in Chapel Street where we lived with my grandma and grandad for a short time before moving to Edith Street.What a shame you will not be at the get together there would be so much to talk about I'm sure.Anne

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
Nice talking to you annefair.After 6 months of retirement I have been only to pleased to get back into work albeit only 3 hours a day but I can't take time off until I retire once more in October.Must admit that the extra cash comes in very handy.I am sure it will be a night to remember.

Posted by: dark horse (290)  Report abuse
Dave Marsh that is a lovely tale about the inkwell. I can't believe no one remembers the mortons though, especially little nellie or the coffee house. I remember having me shoes made by Mr Malley too...I can smell the shop yet when I walk past....And I do miss me uncle Tommy and Aunt Maggie Sweeney.

Posted by: coco (885)   Report abuse
annefair did you live at the bottom of edith st. and did you have dark hair , i`m trying to remember you

Posted by: andycapp (inactive) Report abuse
Coco here is the link Thanks to Danni of WL. For tracing this film.

This England

Posted by: annefair (872) Report abuse
coco no I lived at No 6 which was about half way down. Kathleen Unsworth lived at the bottom.I noticed that you worked at Newtown Post Office.I also worked there,must have been after you and before I went to work in the office at Heinz.I left Heinz after 7 yrs to have my son.Anne

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
To annefair,if you go to street photos on wiganworld then to the section headed 'mixed',you will find a photo of Faggy Lane circa 1900 and this was more or less how it looked in the forties.

Posted by: annefair (872) Report abuse
davemarsh pls look at posting re tommy woodcock

coco pls do the same

dave i will look at that thanks

Posted by: nightshift (587) Report abuse
Have been reading this thread with interest and although not from Wallgate can really relate to the place and the people that lived there. It makes me envious because it seems Wallgate was a very friendly part of Wigan where the neighbors knew one another and everybody "mucked in" through thick and thin and muggings and pedophiles were unknown, the elderly could walk about without fear and the children could play without their parents being anxious every 10 mins. Wallgate is gone now and part of our history has disappeared, but is it really progress I for one am not so sure!

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
It wasn't Utopia nightshift, but it was a lot different.Now and then bad things happened but children had a freedom that they don't have now.It has to be said that many things have changed for the better since my own chilhood days in the forties and fifties,but if I compare what I had with what my own children had I think I had the better deal.Children could be children in the backstreets around Wallgate without any unpleasant concerns for our safety.

Posted by: shevylad (42) Report abuse
Hi Annefair I too was born in Chapel St do you remember Jack Mc Hughs shop at corner of princess st one thing that stays in my mind is that we never had a house key a hefty lock but no key talk about open all hours

Posted by: coco (885)   Report abuse
you`re so right dave marsh we could go anywhere,and my mam would know we were safe, nobody locked their doors , you could just knock and walk in, next door neighbours were called aunties and uncles, could rely on neighbours if times were bad, everyone looked out for one another

Posted by: 1934granada (inactive) Report abuse
Faggy Lane is still there, well whats left of it! Its situated approx opposite the Range on Chapel Lane.

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
I don't ever remember seeing a key to our house in York St,coco.Everyone just walked in down the lobby...rent man..coal man...insurance man would just appear in the room and pick up their money off the dresser.

Posted by: annefair (872) Report abuse
sheveylad No sorry I don't remember the shop we left when I was quite young and moved to Edith Street.

Posted by: coco (885)   Report abuse
davemarsh our key was tied on a string and hung under letter box on front door so if my dad came home late he could just put his hand through and get key

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
Do you remember,coco,the occassional front door with one of the bricks painted white at eye level......show me the way to go home.There never seemed to be any problems though.On week-end afternoons the customers from the Bull at Bridge End would congregate for a few games of toss the coin and if the bobby was around they would go down by Gallagers field near the canal for a little illegal gambling.

Posted by: lucky_lady_0404 (158)  Report abuse
yea i lived in great george street from when i was born in 1953. to the age ov 10 when we were offered a house in norley hall .cos our old houses were slums as they put it. but them was the best slums i av ever seen. people were proud ov there houses then. stoneing steps ect. and always ad gleaming windows . we didnt av so much luxuries in them days and we ad a gas mantel to light our house. but we were happy u could leave your doors open then not like today .and the neighbours were all in the same boat .no keeping up with the jonses then , ohhh the good old days oh yea and we was defanatly C ov E i went to st tomases school in caroline street

Posted by: dark horse (290)  Report abuse
For all us Wallgaters (and I guess I was one of the last havin moved to norley at age of only two weeks) I hope you enjoy it as it was written form my mam. I think I lost some verses but what I can recall aint bad I think. Here you go(plse dont reproduce without asking)....

MY CHILDHOOD WALLGATE

(C) Dark horse 1980

Sitting on the counter
Mother by my side...
Mr Malley choosing
The nicest, softest hide

He measures up
Two little feet...
But the cobbler seems to know
They mustn't be expensive shoes
Just 'good'
With 'room to grow'

The fingers on the clock
Flew round
The years so swiftly passed
The shop closed
And fell derelict
The business did not last

Yet through the shuttered windows
I could see the counter, plain...
And from the cellar
Rose the smell
Of leather once again!

But the Coffee House
Where I was born
Like Malleys wallgate store
Is but a memory
That laps
Upon time's shifting shore.

Posted by: lucky_lady_0404 (158)  Report abuse
good poem dark horse which part ov norley ar u from

Posted by: paulw40 (123) Report abuse
Hi everyone, i,m new to this site.
Does anyone remember the Highton family from Melverley street, they moved out in 1953. They are my mums family, Kathleen, Billy, Frank, Tommy, and Joseph, dec.
Frank was a £10 pom in the 60's and is over on holiday at the moment.
Cheers. Paul.
Also my Dads family came from Wallgate, Clayton st i think, Bert Whittle, Frank, May, Agnes and others that i dont remember.

Posted by: mojim (1679) Report abuse
Hi Paul,I dont remember any Hightons, there was a Maureen Whittle in my class at school many moons ago but I don't think she came from Clayton st, my Grandad did he's name was Mcgovern,I was brought up in Great George st,I know I'm not really helping you any, but I love to talk with anybody with Wallgate connections,good luck with your search and a very warm welcome to you

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
I remember Lilian Highton in my class at St.Thomas's around 1950.She used to stand in front of the class and recite poetry and monologues in a Wigan accent"there were a knock t'doer an who dust think it were".....she was a character.Enjoy wiganworld especially the Wallgate thread,paul40,I think thar on a winner here.

Posted by: handey (20) Report abuse
andycapp,you must be my cousin your dad is bill&mum molly,they had the qeens on walgate,brother kev,sister kathleen,who ham i.i lived at number22

Posted by: cfarrimond (490) Report abuse
only just joined wigan world and i am addicted.i remember loads of names on it and as for the little tunnel used to walk under it at least 8 times a day going backwards and forwards to all saints school cause if you lived within walking distance you had to go home for your dinner! sharp st. was the one with victoria ward labour club i know cause mi dad was president there and we used go southport every year with our little name tags on. ohhh i could write a book thanks for stirring up memories x

Posted by: handey (20) Report abuse
cfarrimond,hi do you have a brother vince i used to be friends with him when i weas a kid,i lived at 22 miry lane,think my sister val is your age about23we wish,or my brother john hes 65

Posted by: cfarrimond (490) Report abuse
hiya handley no i diidnt have a brother vince my brothers were billy and tommy and i am not quite 60 yet my name was woodcock think i remember valerie wots her surname?

Posted by: handey (20) Report abuse
cfarrimond,hi i was going off your name now,i do know you and your brothers my name is walls,sister val your age,brother was freids with tommy ,his name john,we were only across the road at no22.vals name is now cooper.your dad use to sing slow boat to chiner when he had a drink.

Posted by: handey (20) Report abuse
andycapp,are you kevin or vince,your dad bill&mum molly

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
Hello cfarrimond,Billy and Tommy Woodcock ring bells.What street did you live in?

Posted by: ann-spam (2825)  Report abuse
hello good yhread can aybody tell me anything about betty smith as iam related to her iwas born in wallgate left when iwas 4yrs somebody mentioned a funny lady giving her a fur coat i think that is my mother

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GREETINGS TO ALL ON THIS GREAT WALLGATE THREAD THAT IS NOW CELEBRATING 500 REPLIES.CHERRYANDWHITE CERTAINLY GOT A GREAT BIG BALL ROLLING EARLY LAST YEAR WHEN THIS THREAD STARTED.MAY IT CONTINUE ON TO SCORE ANOTHER 500 REPLIES.

Posted by: mojim (1679) Report abuse
And so say all of us Dave.

Posted by: chatty (2981)  Report abuse
somebody must remember Tommy the tramp who lived rough in the old houses around wallgate in the 60s and 70s

Posted by: cherryandwhite (548) Report abuse
Fame at last!, cheers Dave Marsh

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i remember tommy the tramp. he lived on a coach on Queen st.

Posted by: jud178 (163) Report abuse
hi.i lived at no13 vere st.my name is madeliene boyd went to st thomas then all saints.remember brenda oakes phillis gwinnit eileen atherton agnes gregory anne waring kathleen unsworth to name a few .lots of memories playing skipping rope for hours london to new york in back yard behind the crown. making shop near the pens on canal banks.even remember the knocker up man.bonfire night with black burnt potatoes .punch and judy coming to the park in wilcock st . could write a book .

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Spent many a happy hour ratting on the cobs by the pens jud178.Now and then a chap would let us in to see his pig.It was as big as horse and used to jump up with its feet on the wall.I remember Vere St.well and often think of Little Billy Harmer with a great deal of sadness.

Posted by: jud178 (163) Report abuse
my grandmothers sister used to run the pub under the little tunnel on the right off york st.always looked at the bikes in whitles windows, but never got one. used to go to the nursery in clayton st they used to put little camp beds out to have a nap,never went to sleep.can remember having may queens and having a party in the platelayers pub upstairs.my little brother was always a pitman.

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What a great thread this is Brought back great memories of my grandma and all my aunties uncles cousins who all lived in Miry Lane. Some sad some funny great thread about great people.

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Hello jud178,I remember the pub very well.It was always refered to as The Bull and was the last pub my father would have known.I went to the nursey in Clayton St and I remember several things very well even tough it was 63 years ago.Indeed there were the folding beds on which on which we all pretended to go to sleep.There was a large slide and climbing frame and also a sandpit.No health and safety then.In the Winter we had a coal fire where one of the teachers would warm her behind whilst reading us a story.All my memories are happy ones in Clayton Street nursery.Mrs Anderton was one of our teachers.

Posted by: jud178 (163) Report abuse
as anyone out there been poor and didn,t know it?its only when your older you think otherwise,we thought everyone had overcoats for eiderdows,newspaper hung on string in the loo.my granddaughter laughs when i tell her we didn,t have a phone, she asked me did i use my mobile to see if my friends could play out.

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Jud178,when we used the term 'bed clothes',that's exactly what they were,usually old overcoats.We didn't have the paper on a string just an old Evening Chronicle stuffed at the back of the lead pipe.I suppose if you had string you had bottomed out and were on the way up.

Posted by: molly (297)  Report abuse
jud178.don't know which was worse the heavy army coats or the scratchy army blankets. as for loo paper we were posh we had it pushed on a nail..and it was my job every saturday morning to scrub that outside loo and donkey stone it..after that i went from white to black . blackleading the grate.ah the good old days

Posted by: jud178 (163) Report abuse
hi molly. one job i can remember my mother doing was saving old tea leaves and spreading them on the carpet to stop dust flying everywhere when she was sweeping up with a brush.we also had horrid brown sticky roll you used to hang next to the gas mantle.can you just imagine that today.

Posted by: mojim (1679) Report abuse
That business of going for a new gas mantle was like overcoming a great hurdle, they were so delicate if anybody knocked you or you tripped the thing would have shattered, I was always relieved once I'd got home from Macmahons shop.

Posted by: molly (297)  Report abuse
hi jud178 gee's you were posh. carpet .. all we had was oilcloth.. and a peg rug made from all sorts of old coats and jackets . used to love it when wigan fair came and the man used to have his oilcloth stall he would throw a roll out and slap it with his hands shouting who will give me 10/- ok 7/6.. i watched him for hours..and as for the sticky fly catchers well you can still buy them

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hi jud178 gee's you were posh. carpet .. all we had was oilcloth.. and a peg rug made from all sorts of old coats and jackets . used to love it when wigan fair came and the man used to have his oilcloth stall he would throw a roll out and slap it with his hands shouting who will give me 10/- ok 7/6.. i watched him for hours..and as for the sticky fly catchers well you can still buy them

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
Hi molly,Sir Ian Mckellen once said that watching the stallholders perform at Wigan Market was one of the things that inspired him to become an actor.They certainly were star entertainers and performers.

The oilcloth used to take on the contours of the old slab floor underneath after a few years wear.

Posted by: molly (297)  Report abuse
yes dave it did take on the contours of the flags.. thats why it needed replacing every year. but did'nt the new stuff look great all those vibrant colours and patterns... one thing about the stall holders was the man who sold the crockery he would rattle those plates and never break or chip any of them.. but me when i tried to do it i broke the pair of em.yep got a clout round the earhole for my attempts..never tried again.. now having said that there is a couple of old plates back of my cuboard might go and have another try . well there is no one here to clout me if i break them... wish me luck






























































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Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
Never thought we'd be discussing oilcloth and flypapers like this 60 years down the line.molly.Hasn't this old world changed.Has anyone mentioned the cockroaches?

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God those cockys were everywere, if you put the light on in the night they ran all over the place, had to shake all cloths and shoes before putting them on
uuck makes my skin crawl thinking about it,
jud178 was your grans sister called nelly who had pub under little tunnel

Posted by: molly (297)  Report abuse
showing our age dave in more ways than one lol........ they say they were the good old days ? but i would not like to go back to them again..things have changed a hell of a lot since we were kids maybe not all of them for the better, but one thing that i believe will never change is that sense of humour born and bred in every wiganer . and that out stretched hand when anyone is in need

Posted by: jud178 (163) Report abuse
coco,im not sure if that was her name or not,my mother died jan 07,no one to ask,i no my grandmothers name was alice hornby,and my mother used to talk of her aunt.my grandmother was estranged from us as she left my mother as a child.i know that her sister was a small lady with red hair,met her once or twice but did,nt know of her when living in vere st.iwas born in miry lane1950. lived with grandparents,robert and margaret boyd, then we moved into vere st till 1962.

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jud178 i was born in miry lane 1948 no 49 went to st thomas`s school , nellie did have red hair always had her makeup on ,

Posted by: jud178 (163) Report abuse
coco,iam 58 and went to st thomas,s so i may know you,my first name was madeleine,was friends with doreen ainscough ,eileen atherton, brenda oaks.what was your name?

Posted by: jud178 (163) Report abuse
coco, did you live near, mary lee, brenda billinge?

Posted by: coco (885)   Report abuse
sheila gladwin have a brother billy, now i know you madeleine boyd did you have dark hair and live near brenda oaks

Posted by: coco (885)   Report abuse
i lived 3 doors away from brenda and next door to teresa berry

Posted by: jud178 (163) Report abuse
coco, remember both you and your brother well,we were probobly in the may queen at the same time, can remember being a gypsy, and a paper girl,used to go to nellie davies chip shop,do you remember our robert he would be your age,but sadly died about 10 yrs back

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hi coco&judi178,you both must rember me ray walls ,hows your old man madeleine still at 57.coco you will know my sister val.i do remember your billy is mate was richard blakley.

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hiya ray no not at heinz now took early retirement in feb.how r u doing are you still in ashton.

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Hi handey,did Richard Blakely have an older brother Colin.

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i remember a david blakely he was in my class at st toms,must be around 59.they lived somewhere near sharp st me thinks, sure he had older brothers,

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hi dave marsh,yes that is collin his his brother,they used to drink in the star and the seven stars.collin was a mate of my brother john walls.i should know you but no must be getting old.

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jud178.thought the old man would have retired he is 20 years older than you hi.yes still in ashton just had heart repaired again 3 time lucky.keep in touch.

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
Hi handey,Colin was in my class at St.Thomas's and I knew he had a younger brother.I remember him as a very pleasant lad (weren't we all) and his mum a very nice lady.If you ever see him please pass on my best regards and tell him I was asking after him.Seemslike only yesterday.

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handley, yes i do remember val we lived acroos road from her, and saw richard blakely last year at one of our dances, he will be 60-61 like my brother billy.

jud178 knew your robert very well , sorry to here about him ,
we went to nellie davies for 6pence worth of chips with pea wet and scratchings , and then to my auntie silva`s shop (toppings) for our toffee we used to get 6pence on a thursday for toffee

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I used to hand my sweet coupons over to Mr Topping as soon as I had them.

Posted by: bluechieftain2 (inactive) Report abuse
Who remembers Belchamber's shop?

Posted by: handey (20) Report abuse
bluechieftain2.i remember belchambers they had a girl name of kay she trained to be in the police ,think they had a car crash and were all killed.

Posted by: coco (885)   Report abuse
my brother billy used to take me to belchambers for 1p lolly when we were only 3 or 4 used to call in on way to school, who had that shop further up miry lane you had to go down the lobby to get in was it mrs fairbrother? i used to get rainbow crstals and a 1/2p spanish

Posted by: cfarrimond (490) Report abuse
hiya handley i remember you now and val.my dad always sung slowboat to china in club thanks for remembering it brought tears to my eyes but always nice memories

Posted by: cfarrimond (490) Report abuse
hiya davemarsh are you same age as our tommy or our billy we lives in herbert st 1a. yes richard has a brother colin sadly his brother david died

Posted by: cfarrimond (490) Report abuse
hiya judi178 i remember robert very well lovely lad we used play together when we were kids. david blakeley died about 5 years since. we used to take an oven shelf in a pillowcase to keep us warm in bed because them houses were freezing icicles inside the windows were spoilt now

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
Hello cfarrimond,I will be 66 next month and still working part time.Maybe it's that hot brick out of the oven that keeps us going.My own children never had heat in their bed-rooms and didn't seem to suffer from colds.To be honest I think our back to back terrace in York St.was warmer than most modern houses today because you also got the heat from next doors fire coming through the wall.

Posted by: cfarrimond (490) Report abuse
hiya davemarsh our tommy was 65 in june and has just retired. our house in herbert street was freezing especially when they knocked all the front of house down and we only had a tarpaulin up we were frightened in case we walked about in our sleep and fell through!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: cfarrimond (490) Report abuse
to davemarsh how do i get to recent messages on wallgate streets and families without having to scroll through all previous messages?

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
Morning cfarrimond,I don't think you can go straight to recent messages without scrolling.My last address in Wigan was Appleton St and me and my wife could lie in bed watching the stars through cracks in the wall,quite romantic.

Posted by: handey (20) Report abuse
dave marsh.dave do you remember andy cap he was always drunk,he was just like the one out of the news paper,he used to fall out of ungle toms capin every saterday night.

Posted by: frenchy (2) Report abuse
Last July Darkhorse posted a poem about Malley's shop - I've only just found this website - I married one of Mr Malley's sons and we live down south now, but we still come up to Wigan every couple of weeks. Mr Malley (lovely man) sadly died 2 years ago but after they moved from Wallgate he went to Fabrex to help adults with learning difficulties.
He read the poem in the Post and Chronicle in the 80's and was delighted to see it.

Posted by: molly (297)  Report abuse
frenchy .would that be Bernard Malley you married?... so sorry to hear of Mr Malleys death . yes he was a very nice gentlemen . he mended my clogs many many times. i used to watch him work how easily he cut that leather he always fascinsted me. if that had been me i would not be typing now i would have had no fingers left

Posted by: frenchy (2) Report abuse
Hi Molly - no, I'm in the next generation of Malleys. I married Bernard's brother's son. Bernard's brother, Francis, was my father in law and took over the shop from his dad in the late 50's and still ran the shop till it was compulsorily purchased in the late 60's. Bernard and Francis's brother Tom moved down south and died about 1988. We see Bernard though when we come up to visit. When we cleared out the loft after Dad died we found some fantastic shoes with designs on the soles that he had won competitions with.

Posted by: kathykins (150)  Report abuse
My Uncle Joe and Aunty Doris (Walker) used to be the Landlord and Landlady of "Uncle Tom's Cabin" in Miry Lane

Does anyone remember them and their big Alsation Dog?

Posted by: bluechieftain2 (inactive) Report abuse
I remember Mr and Mrs Walker. Nellie Davey, who had the chipshop on the other side of Leeds St, was my grandmother. I was a young child at the time, but I recall Doris Walker as having blonde hair, and Joe as a big, jovial, friendly man.

Posted by: paul (1531)  Report abuse
Hello Bluechieftain2, my mother (Winnie Nicholson nee Cahir) asked me to tell you that she remembers all of those people, in fact she used to be very good friends with the daughter of Nellie Davey and she also said that the landlord and landlady of Uncle Toms Cabin had a son who unfortunately was confined to a wheelchair

Posted by: kathykins (150)  Report abuse
Landlady of Uncle Toms Cabin (Aunty Doris) did indeed have white hair! very unusal black eyebrows too !!!

Posted by: europa (23) Report abuse
My Mum was brought up in Taylor Street - her name was Winnie Walsh (her parents were Harry and Maggie) - my Dad Tommy Brogan lived in Chapel St - both of them went to St Josephs. My eldest brother Michael was born in Taylor St - I remember going there when I was a kid to visit my grandparents - I always remember the faded Union Jack on the wall and there used to be a shop at the bottom of the road and I think an ice cream factory at the top end.

My grandad always warned us never to go near the little bridge (which is still there) I think there was also a pub there too called The Bull. There used to be a shop on the corner of Wilcock Street near the Seven Stars and I remember once me and my brother going in and no one was there - we freaked out and ran out in case we got caught for something we hadn't done...lol.

Back again - just whisked through the threads - blimey some memories there am going to have to let my Mum read this - she will know more people than I do.

Joe Parkinson - I knew him - my Mum used to take me to visit him such a lovely little old man and he played the piano beautifully.

I also remember the Whit Walks - walking down Caroline St in our white dresses and people used to throw pennies for the children. My brother Michael was a St Josephs (he is 64 yrs old) - I remember Mum telling me that the teacher - i think her name was Smith - wanted him to play Jesus when he was about 5 yrs old as he had curly hair (not sure if Jesus actually had curly hair but....lol) and once she put the long gown on him he burst into tears cos he thought he would have to die because as far as he was concerned Jesus lived in heaven and that is where he would have to go too....aaaaaaw!!

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
Hello europa,I lived in York St. and our yards backed onto Taylor St.There were communal yards with rows of lavatories across in Taylor St.I remember the Union Jack being painted for the Queens Coronation and what a site the streets were on that memorable day.Taylor St.was quite a long street with many families living there.We used to take potato peelings to 'the pig lady' in one of the houses at the top of Taylor St. and she would give us a handfull of dolly mixtures.

Posted by: molly (297)  Report abuse
europa ..yes it was miss smith (gertrude) a great teacher ..dave .that lady was named mrs thomas i believe .. her son jimmy married my cousin

Posted by: annefair (872) Report abuse
Jud 178 Hi it's Anne here (Wareing as was)
not seen you for ages.Looked at the last posts on this site and thought I must know jud then I found your earlier one with more detail on it.Hope you are keeping OK. Anne

Posted by: dave marsh (3324)  Report abuse
Hi Molly,thanks for the information.I just recall a very pleasant lady.The pigs were kept in pens 'o'er Gallahgers' and there were pigs as big as horses.

Posted by: europa (23) Report abuse
I remember my grandmothers house - it had a sink with one cold tap - the communal yard in the back - and the posh front parlour which I think I only ever got to go into once in my life. They had a small tv that used to take ages to warm up......lol.

But you know - with all the technology we have today I remember how much fun my brother and I used to have watching the horse racing with my grandad and we used to use matchsticks to bet on the horses.....lol.

My grandmother loved the wrestling - she turned from a sweet old lady into this woman who shouted ' Rip his head off' at Jackie Pallo etc.....ROTFL.

Great days!!!

Posted by: molly (297)  Report abuse
europa.. my mistake (getting old lol) it was miss hilton who's name i believe was gertrude

Posted by: jud178 (163) Report abuse
hello annefair, fine it was reading your posts that made me remenise, loved the photo of you and david it could win a baby show,can you imagine a family photo of our lot,they would think it was a class photo.saw david at man united a while back my hubby knew him from the old 57var.im fine so is all fam,got a photo in st thomas school yard me,margaret ashton,maureen farley june cadman who recently passed away and linda gaskell.

Posted by: annefair (872) Report abuse
jud178 can you put the photo on WW pls. I have not seen any photos from our class.I did not know about June sad news what happened to her, do you know. Anne

Posted by: jud178 (163) Report abuse
annefair,dont know details was speaking to maureen farley,it was very recent, and i think she was living in tenerefe,frightening.as to photo will have to search through a mountain of photos but will try, couldnt tell myself on it i had a perm gone frizzy yuk.i know doreen ainscough has photos not sure if from heinz or school days.

Posted by: mojim (1679) Report abuse
Molly, it was miss Hilton who's name was gertrude,she was at a reunion and birthday do and she's just the same as she ever was,eighty odd and as bright as a button.

Posted by: mojim (1679) Report abuse
Sorry Molly,what I really meant to say was you are right.

Posted by: molly (297)  Report abuse
thanks mojim... i wish i could have been there to see her at the reunion .were there many of the older girls there ?.where is miss hilton living now .. and do you know if any of the other teachers are still going strong.

Posted by: mojim (1679) Report abuse
Hello Molly,there was probably a dozen or so.Miss Hilton still lives in the Shevington area,I don't know if any of the other teachers are still with us,I found out at the reunion that Miss Halliwell had died, she was my favourite,she was an excellent music teacher.

Posted by: bluechieftain2 (inactive) Report abuse
Paul, my father has told me that it was not Joe and Doris Walker who had a son confined to a wheelchair. It was the landlord of Uncle Tom's Cabin before them. His name was Jimmy Woosey and I think he was a widower.

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