Woolies c. 1826

Can't remember meeting any lasses outside of here.

The name is derived from the Arms of the Stanley family, which can be seen on the wall to the left of the sketch('Brid and Babby'). This hotel was the main coaching inn in the town, and was used for important meetings and dinners, on occasions the upper rooms were used for theatrical performances. The Ostler (stableman) at the inn was Thomas Casson former coachman for the 7th Earl of Balccarres and 24th Earl of Crawford at Haigh until the coming of the railway to Wigan, and by 1850 Thomas had left his Lordships's employment. While at the hostelry Thomas continued to recieve £3 annually from the Haigh estate for attendance to the Earl's horses.

Mr Casson

I said Ostler not hustler.

I'll get me bridle.

That's really interesting, XRH. Does it not deserve a place in the Old Photos of Wigan topic?

Not sure Mollie, I couldn't make me mind up so I put it here.

Well, it is an old picture of Wigan, albeit not actually a photo.

I can't find the Old Photos of Wigan topic Mollie.

Eh? It's definitely there, XRH! I's't bump it up for ya lad.

Mollie, what was I thinking about. I had a very different thread in mind.

No worries.

It's that Dostaf's fault, he makes me yed go all fizzy.

This was drawn / painted by Whitehouse who lived in Millgate in the building now known as Penningtons!

Whey aye!!! Nice one Ian, any more info on this 'Whitehouse' chap please.

ok . . . do my best! Here's an entry from "Wigan and Distric: a local Record" by Folkard printed by Starrs in 1916 and kept in the University of California, LA.

"Millgate. House built by Alexr. Radcliffe,
mayor, and leased by Thos. Whitehouse,
1785-1790. 3 views, front, liack, and
garden, water colours. 1826. [White-
house.] "

This is the "Penningtons building, included in the book are lists of his paintings such as :

Whitehouse's, Thomas, premises. Market
place, 1826 ; and accompting house,
1785, water colours. [Whitehouse.]

Wigan. View of the town from Swinley,
water colour. [182— i] [Whitehouse.]

Pied Bull, Hallgate. i82(), water colour.
[Whitehouse.]

South-west. 1826, water colour. | White-
house. 1

I have the book on pdf if anyone wants a copy, just drop me a line

XRH this was a subject only the other day and sorry to condradict you but the Eagle and child is where Marks and Spencers are,see a picture Aitch put on for me , see under heading ==another Hotel apart from where Woolworths was==

Thanks for that Ian.

Yes Elizabeth I did wonder about that after seeing Aitch's post. I can only go off what is written under the the sketch.

Sorry Elizabeth - I can't find the post you refer to but maintain that the Royal Hotel and Eagle and Child occupied what was Woolworth's and down Standishgate to probably the building next door.

Where M&S now stands was the Unicorn; I'm placing this by judging where Douglas Terrace ran - this is the narrow gap that was between M&S and Debenhams.

Ian if you look on General about 23 march under heading =another Hotel apart from where Woolworths was

XRH well we will never know whether the artist had ,had a few drinks or not and got confused ha ha perhaps I am you never know these senior moments do happen

At the risk of shouting you down Elizabeth, the picture on your other thread is the Royal Hotel and Eagle and Child! It's not architecturally that different from the Whitehouse drawing at the top of this thread!

Marks and Spencer is much further down Standishgate than the pillared entrance you suggest; and where M&S is now was The Unicorn as I stated previously.

Have only just seen this message board thread on the Eagle & Child & Royal. From 1825 to 1833 my wife's gg-gf George Mawson and his wife Elizabeth [Melling] were licensees there having moved from the same role at the Buck I'th Vine by the old North West railway station. Many of the major events and agitations concerning the disputes surrounding who should vote in elections for local members of parliament were acted out inside and outside the hotel while they were in charge [before and efter the 1832 Reform Bill]. If it is of interest I'll post some details now with Brian's help I'vr hopefully learned how to reply.

But help - how do I send an image??

http://www.wiganworld.co.uk/scan165,May 08.jpeg.

The Ship Inn plot is 100 yards long mid 19. Look how much longer the Royal plot is - right down across to the River Douglas.
It no image comes with this someone please tell me how to do it.

It's not a valid address I'm afraid!

I'll try again!!

Thanks for that aumc - though I'm at a loss to understand where the Ship yard comes into it . . . am I missing something?

It's a super map - if you have it further down Standishgate - to where it says "Plan referred to " it might answer some interesting questions ! As it stands it does clearly show that Elizabeth is mistaken in her belief.

Thanks again.

The plan was prepared for some central Wigan pub property transactions and I think the Ship and the Royal were both part of that. I think the Royal plot is one of the old mediaeval burgess plots stretching down to the former course of the Douglas before it was diverted for the construction of the old Grand Central Station. I believe the plan is c. 1850. Woolworth's etc had the old Royal wall along Station Road and I could not believe it when the Ship front was preserved but not a small sample piece of the Royal wall inside the new development. It did not have the architectural interest of the Ship frontage but would have been of "group value" as in the English Heritage images of England approach.

I've lost part of my text somehow. The 1893 makeover of the Royal contained some decorated upper panels that would have gone well with the Ship frontage if the paint was clreaned off

Hi ianmcl
I'd love a pdf copy of the Folkard if that is OK
aumc39@dsl.pipex.com

Across from the Eagle and Child was the "Legs of Man" another Stanley family emblem. I do not know if they owned the land at one time.

On our dining room wall

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Try again

This WiganWorld/New Gallery/Roman Wigan/Coccium 57 annotated aerial shot shows the white E & C & R wall along Station Rd and how the plot swung down to the original course of the River Douglas.