Orrell rd

Hi Does anyone know any history of orrell rd, oarticulary around the area where wish fm offices are? what was that building originally, and another house that is next door, called trinity trees, and the mount. any information welcomed, i checked on this page and discovered orrell road only became that name in 1909. thanks

I think the Wish FM building was originally local government educational offices and Trinity Trees is a grade two listed building.
The Mount [pub] was a nunnery.

Abraham Guest high school was named after a gentleman that lived next to the Mount and was a clog sole manufacturer.

If you are trying to trace someone that lived along that stretch, take note that between Bankes Avenue and the library the houses on that side had names but no numbers.

The Mount pub wasn't a nunnery, it was the anchestral home of Abraham Guest and his family, the nunnery is next door and has been transformed into apartments.

Most of the large houses in the area from Holland House, Orrell Hall, the Atherton House on Orrell Rd near to Abbey Lakes, the Mount and one near the traffic lights at Orrell Post whose name escapes me were the residences of the major mine owners in the area;

Can I suggest you read "The Orrell Coalfield, Lancashire 1740 - 1850" by Donald Anderson for all the details.

I believe the last inhabitant of the Nunnery was Colonel Clarke - himself a descendent of the mine owner who actually built the Mount, it was then bought by John Strickland who has I believe turned some of the out buildings into apartments but I am fairly sure the house is still a family home.

The Wish FM building was at one time the home of Wigan's Educational Psychology Dept but that was in the 70's.

The Mount and 'the Nunnery' are two different places.

The one half of the Nunnery in the 1930-40's was lived in by Mr Joseph Dilworth Head master of St Cuthbert's school at Pemberton

Re The Mount

I stand corrected.

Thanks for all the inofrmation, i will look up the suggestions you give.
any idea on trinity trees, someone told me it was the vicarage, all i have so far is that it was built in 1832.

many thanks

I removed the harmonium in the late 70's from trinity trees - maybe some connection with the Trinity Church near the lights?

ianmcl thanks, i just looked up harmonium i wasnt sure if it was a plant or an instrument!! also took a look at your blog, very interesting, and I note you are a trainee counsellor, good luck with that, or are you qualified now? why do you think my id is Process?....i trust it....

The Nunnery is divided into two homes.
The late Lt. Colonel William Valiant Clark lived in the part now inhabited by the Stricklands.The other half is not currently occupied. Colonel Clark was not related to John Clarke, mineowner, who had Orrell Mount built for his home. Trinity Trees was only named that when the Clough family took up residence following demolition of their home on Orrell Mount when the M6 came through and 11 houses were demolished to accommodate it. The house was originally called Holly House and was built by the Bywater family who were builders.Orrell Lodge (WishFM) was the 19th century home of the Daglish family. Robert Daglish was a renowned Civil Engineer who developed the Yorkshire Horse steam engine used by Winstanley Collieries to pull coal wagons.

Thanks Process ( I think!) still training . . .

Heritagelass - v interesting; would love to learn more! I had a bit of tour with John when he bought the Nunnery - didn't realise it was only half a house!

Thanks heritage lass I couldnt remember his name== Clarke== he lived in the other half to Mr Dilworth

Thanks again for all information. I have just checked the census for 1871. and along that area i have found the following.
living at orrell mount was what looks like Thomas H Haley merchant and his wife elizabeth etc
at the nunnery was Sarah Taylor, retired linen manufacturer along with other family.
at orrell lodge was Elizabeth Harrison
at orrell mount cottage was the Rev Th Evans
at orrell house was George Henderson Farmer

I cant find any listing for Trinity trees or Holly house

can anyone shed any more light?
thanks

Thanks again for all information. I have just checked the census for 1871. and along that area i have found the following.
living at orrell mount was what looks like Thomas H Haley merchant and his wife elizabeth etc
at the nunnery was Sarah Taylor, retired linen manufacturer along with other family.
at orrell lodge was Elizabeth Harrison
at orrell mount cottage was the Rev Th Evans
at orrell house was George Henderson Farmer

I cant find any listing for Trinity trees or Holly house

can anyone shed any more light?
thanks

The lack of or changing of the names of properties causes confusion I think.
A map of ?1870's shows Orrell Mount named (now pub/restaurant). Adjacent is what is The Nunnery but not named as such.At the site of Holly House (now Trinity Trees) and Orrell Lodge (WishFM) are two adjacent properties. The residence on the HH site is called Orrell Mount Cottage, Orrell Lodge site called Orrell Cottage (home in 1841 & 1851 to Robert Daglish and family).
Elizabeth Harrison was the housekeeper to the Daglish family and later census returns (1881) show Ann Daglish (widow)as Robert Daglish Snr. had died) plus R. S. Daglish, son and servants.
Possibly Orrell Mount Cottage was redesigned/renamed Holly House when the Bywaters took up residence. Rather complicated isn't it!
Gravestones at St. John's RC church, Standishgate record deaths of a Mrs. Mc Carthy at Orrell Mount in 1828,Mary Taffe who died at Orrell Mount 1828, and a Lelia Needham who died at Orrell Mount Cottage in 1833.Don't know whether that helps much really!

Thank you Heritagelass. i will try to get more on census, Trinity trees looks so much of an unsual design. I checked on when St John the Devine was built and it fits in with the date of the house, the fact a vicar lived there once i wondered if the connection was with St Johns church. I will keep researching.

Hi I have now done more research, later census show Trinity trees/holly house listed as the vicarage, and names correspond to vicars of st Johns in pemberton. The 1891 census shows Edward francis forrest BA as living at that address and shows him as vicar of pemberton. next door is the Daglish family. still the search continues!!

I am also interested in Trinity Trees. We are looking for the history of the area since we just moved in one of the new houses behind Trinity Trees.
So to review, this Grade II listed building was originally called Orrell mount Cottage, then Holly House and finally Trinity Trees.
Has anyone seen any old pictures of the house? Since we live in its grounds, it would be interesting to see what was there before.

Hi I have the first vicar of St Johns listed as Joshua Paley, but on census of 1841 I cant find him residing around Trinity trees, so where was he. when did the vicars take up residence there, and when/why did they stop? I can find arthur coates living there on the 1851 census, yet the church was built in 1832.............anyone know?

Hi sorry to ask again, does anyone know when the vicars of st Johns pemberton took up residence in Trinity trees?
know then as orrell cottage?

Have i missed something on here with all the talk of the Nunnery where my uncle once lived Mr Dilworth no one has come up with what sort of Nuns lived there before it was divided in to two houses I know there was a small door embedded in the back garden and went into a pssage that led underground to a Alter where the Priest used to come and serve Mass there, for the Nuns, and also a portion of the wall in the Attics used to move if touched in one certain place and again thet led to steps and then underground to meet up with the Alter aforementioned

For Elizabeth: The nuns resided at Orrell Mount (now the pub/restaurant). They were a French Benedictine order and were there from 1821 until 1835. The Nunnery (next door) was actually the school run by the nuns where young ladies were educated in languages, and numerous other subjects. See the book 'Orrell in old picture postcards' by Dr. Allan Miller, published 2000, obtainable from libraries.

very interesting heritagelass, im in awe of your knowledge
thanks

Thanks for that Heritage lass but there must have been Nuns or Priests there before the school surely as why was the underground tunnel and a Altar built, and was told by my uncle that lived there it was during the persicution of the catholics during Cromwell's time that it was built for the purpose so they could hear Mass without being caught by the Comwells men