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EX DOWNALL GREENERS 9
Started by: bambam (1725)  Report abuse
EX DOWNALL GREENERS 9


ex-Downall Greeners
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Posted by: bambam (1725)  Report abuse
Here we go number 9.

Posted by: bambam (1725)  Report abuse
Hi Bri, I hope they all have a good time when they meet up, I know what the subject will be as most of them are Leeds fanatics ha ha.

Posted by: whups (3103)  Report abuse
yes dav your right & well past their sell by date where football is concerned .

Posted by: trixie (4929)   Report abuse
Wishing all Downall Greeners present and past

A very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.for 2019. .
Xx

Posted by: dougie (3628)  Report abuse
Thanks bambam ,
A Merry Christmas and A Happy New Year I hope you all keep looking and posting, we could do with some younger people from DG asking some questions

Posted by: suesa (540) Report abuse
Merry Christmas and very best wishes for a Healthy and Happy New Year to you all!
xx

Posted by: bambam (1725)  Report abuse
Thanks everyone for keeping thread going, I would also like to wish you all a merry xmas and a wonderful new year, and all the best for 2019.

Posted by: bert (629) Report abuse
Thanks bambam ,I would like to wish you all a happy Christmas and a happy new year and hope we all still keep in touch.

Posted by: bambam (1725)  Report abuse
Hi Bert, I'm sure we will all keep in touch but like dougie said we need some younger generation to pick our brains, we have some knowledgeable people on here like dougie, bentlegs, whups, yourself, uncle joe, me , trixie, Janet, Jon dav, And all other contributors to this wonderful thread, I would love as I'm sure you all will, to pass our knowledge on to our young ones.

Posted by: trixie (4929)   Report abuse
Yes we do to stop our brains from vegitating😀😀.

How is Bentlegs and Molly,heís been quiet now for a while.

Posted by: dougie (3628)  Report abuse
Hi all It will have been on here before somewhere this,

I was on the bowling green at Garswood Hall this year someone came to me asking the question, you should have seen and remembered the red gate at DG and where it wen't too, LOL

Posted by: whups (3103)  Report abuse
up to the razzo on leyland green rd dougie.

Posted by: bambam (1725)  Report abuse
yes Bri, I remember that as you walked up dirt track between fields, and you had pit at top.

Posted by: bert (629) Report abuse
Caught some good fish up there with my brothers and mates before the pit was made there.you had to watch for the water bailiff and get ready to run over cloughin.

Posted by: uncle joe (638) Report abuse
Merry Christmas to you all from me as well.

As regards picking brains mentioned by bambam, I've got a few questions to ask you all soon. One of them regrading Kenny, Norman, my brother and Wales. Only dougie will be able to answer that one!

Posted by: whups (3103)  Report abuse
what year did they drain it bert ? .

Posted by: PeterP (6756) Report abuse
Whups I would say about 1969/70 remember walking over it shooting and the drift tunnel from Quacker pit which jutted out of the left bank of the reservoir.

Posted by: Jumpin Jack Flash (126) Report abuse
Hi Peter i had an old mate who worked at Quaker pit Sam Prior he was a real character he passed on 20 years ago though, we used to go fishing together, he lived on Downall green road

Posted by: whups (3103)  Report abuse
peter it was before that as i moved to hawthorn ave in 69 & i remember it was before that . the quaker pit only moved to the red gates about mid 70s as i worked there in 1970 as did my dad when there was only 1 pit then across from wilcock farm .i knew sammy well as did peterp as he worked at golborne for some years . take a look at the quaker house pic in pics of wigan under the work section.

Posted by: Jumpin Jack Flash (126) Report abuse
Thanks whups

Posted by: dougie (3628)  Report abuse
Any of you know the name of the road going down the brow from Leyland Green Road past the graveyard before it was called or (known) as Joe Cunley's Brow, or the one on the other side going down Downall Green Road to the dame

You can find them on one of bambam's threads on here but the older D-Greeners could name it for them that don't know and tell them why they were given the names

Posted by: dougie (3628)  Report abuse
Whups--When I was a lad going to Rectory School their was no housing estate or house's in Leyland Green Road from the terrace house's on the bend at the top brow to the farm at the T-junction by bottom razz

Posted by: bambam (1725)  Report abuse
Dougie, when was garages built at top of birch grove, was it when houses went up.

Posted by: whups (3103)  Report abuse
when you were a lad dougie it,s no surprise to me that there was no houses there as the estate was only built in 1947/48 . do you remember the houses going down booths brow rd i think tommy aspinall was in 1 of them ? .and the street at the bottom of those houses going to the right as you looked down it ? .

Posted by: dougie (3628)  Report abuse
Bambam--I would say the garages were only built in the 50s as I only remember one car on the estate in the 40s (someone else will tell you his name) that's also on here

whups--Yes I remember them house and the people that lived in them and yes Tommy Aspinall did live in the first house but he only came after Mr&Mrs Davis and family moved to Ceder Grove on the estate about 1946-7

Posted by: bambam (1725)  Report abuse
Thanks dougie, I remember Davies family well they lived at number 6 in between les heaton and john scully, their garden backed onto ours when we lived in elm ave.

Posted by: trixie (4929)   Report abuse
I went to school with Graham Davies,I think he had an older brother too.

Posted by: dougie (3628)  Report abuse
Trixie, Their four brothers Brian,Colin,and Allan,and Graham I expect you know Graham past away and so did Brian the oldest

Do you know the name of the people that lived on the farm before Cunliffe's

Forgot to say Tommy Aspinall also opened the chip shop on the corner in the 50s, plus he also had coaches bambam's dad was one of his drivers, that was long before he got his coal round

Posted by: bentlegs (4280) Report abuse
Brian Davis (Barney) was one of my mates, he died from a Kidney complaint he was only 26,

Trixie, Not doing too bad now, having all sorts of tests, only just got walking properly, They still cant give me a name for my illness but most of it was Breathing, back to normal (allmost}, Hows your Husband?

Posted by: bentlegs (4280) Report abuse
Happy New Year everyone,

Posted by: bentlegs (4280) Report abuse
Forgot to send a certain young Lady in the USA a Birthday card or a Christmas card, Found her Christmas card behind the clock yesterday so a bit late now, I will get my hands smacked.

Posted by: dougie (3628)  Report abuse
Tumtingle--It's nice to see you posting again on here some good old DGs out there yet that could pass some local history on to the newer DGs to the area,

I asked about Red Gate, asking again where was the Mangle field not for you

Posted by: whups (3103)  Report abuse
i once picked mangles at jack lyons field at the front field near his house.

Posted by: bambam (1725)  Report abuse
Hi Bri, remember jack Lyon well and the farm he owned (millfield) also remember his fruit &veg round on estate, I know Bill murphy's sons worked for him.

Posted by: uncle joe (638) Report abuse
A question for you all. In the general section on here, a map from 1892 was posted. I'm not good at links, but its on the Bryn/Ashton thread started by priscus.

Looking on it, Millingford Brook is marked as Down Brook, what I always thought of as being a mill on Dam Corner is marked as a Smithy, and what I think most of us know as Bluebell Woods is marked as The Clough. Can anyone shed any light on this?

Posted by: whups (3103)  Report abuse
millingford brook starts at the clough which is situated the other side from the graveyard on booths brow rd & it,s a contribtary stream & the bottom razz has a overflow that at 1 time lead into it.it goes down from there all the way into ashton .

Posted by: uncle joe (638) Report abuse
whups: What you wrote is exactly what I thought. According to this map...

https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=18&lat=53.4999&lon=-2.6816&layers=168&right=BingHyb

(Can someone correct the link please?) we are both wrong.

What do you call the razz? I thought that it was the one on the other side of Winstanley road, but there are two shown on this map, the second being behind what was Tommy Turners shop when I lived there.

Posted by: dougie (3628)  Report abuse
uncal joes link

Not looked at the map yet but the main water supply that feeds Milling ford brook comes from the bottom razz overflow at winstanely road this is feed from the Billinge side of the razz,

then it runs through the Dell to the Dam to feed the water mill that was on the other side of Downall green road then off to the skitters wood to form another holding lake the off to Ashton from there

Posted by: whups (3103)  Report abuse
i think it leads to owd george,s pond if i,m right.

Posted by: bentlegs (4280) Report abuse
Duggie wants to know where the Mangle field was,,It was across the road from the Police houses ,There are bungalows there now

Posted by: trixie (4929)   Report abuse
Glad your back bentlegs my husbands ok.i never really picked up this year and ended up having B12 injections which seem to be helping now.
DOUGIE I donít know who had the farm before Cunliffes as it was always them for as long as I can remember.
if Robin is still about on here he may know.

P.S bentlegs ,we are off travelling again next week.😀😀

Happy New Year to you all for 2019 .

Posted by: bert (629) Report abuse
Hi Bentlegs it is nice to see you are getting better,i have asked about you when i see molly or peter.i new where mangle field was had many good battles with them when we where kids.It is also nice to see Trixie on as well.so i would like to wish you and all friends from Downall Green a happy new year and we all have a better one.

Posted by: dougie (3628)  Report abuse
Trixie--I remember the old woman that still lived on the farm Mrs Shuff, the siblings had different names Joe Shuff, (always got Joe Cunliffe)+ Bill and Ema Cunliffe,

I hope someone on here can put me right about this as we lived across the road in the Wilcock's (Old House Farm Cottage), well my older sisters did till 1936/7 so the brow was always known as Willcock brow till the farm was pulled down then it got Cunliffe Brow

Posted by: dougie (3628)  Report abuse
whups they have built a big underground holding tank at the bottom of Princess road by Millingford brook to stop any flooding in Ashton

Posted by: PeterP (6756) Report abuse
Whups I thought the wood running along the side of the graveyard was the DELL ( Dellside Close on the other side of the brook) and the wood running along side of Spindle Hillock was the Blue Bell or Clough Wood

Posted by: bentlegs (4280) Report abuse
Tumtingle, When i was a kid, a long time ago most Cunliffe,s in Garswood,& simms road had a nick name, i think you may have known some at Stone,s Pit, Remember Burt Mucus who drove the endless rope at the to of the Ravin Brow, I remember , Ciggies_ Blanders_Stuggs_& many more & i think that Shuffs could also be one of thease, Anybody who can remember any more please add them on, Ay i wish mi mother was here she would fill a page,

Posted by: whups (3103)  Report abuse
the clough was the opposite side of the road peter . slaters pen led down to it.bluebell wood was behind the rectory school the reason it was called that is because if you can remember it was festooned with them . anyone remember "the stuffy" in simms rd ? .

Posted by: bert (629) Report abuse
The clough was where Jack slaters dad had a pen at the back of slaters pen on the hill,then when followed the brook at the side of the grave yard that was known as the dell,then when you got to the cottages wher Jimmy Ormshaw and maud lived it was called the dam,then under the bridge going into the yard what Ryders had then was took over by Sharples and we knew it as sharples pen.then you go into the bluebell wood upto the railway.

Posted by: dougie (3628)  Report abuse
When I was a lad their was only one bluebell wood even tho as you all say they were all full of bluebells but you could put a name to them all except this Bluebell Wood,

Names of woods--The Cloughing as never been a wood,

The Dell,Downall Green Wood,which was divided by the brook to make two woods one side was Joe Cunliffe's the other side Tom Ferne's,

Then across the railway lines (which I never did)to the Gypsy wood, follow the brook to Low-bank road over to the left was the skitters wood, to the right was the Long Cover and cover to Liverpool Road and Lord Gerard's estate

Posted by: dougie (3628)  Report abuse
Tumtingle Thanks for that,You may be right about the name Shuffs

I also was I had asked the older people about thing I now wish I knew more about

Posted by: uncle joe (638) Report abuse
dougie, thanks for correcting the link to the map.

My memory is getting a little vague now, but I seem to remember that in the Dell there was a bridge over what we knew as Millingford Brook (marked as Down Brook on the map) that must have been used by the Vicar to go up to the church.As regards the woods on the school side of the brook, I dont remember it being called anything, even if it probably was!

I only remember two things about that particular area. First, when we were at Rectory School, we would play cricket there on the odd occasion.

Second, it was where one of the vicars assaulted a young lad. I'm not sure which one it was, but the incident would have been around 1960 or so. This particular vicar passed away about 12 months after the event. It was a bit of a scandal at the time. Although the lad was not serious enough to be sent to hospital, the attending Doctor, (McCurdy) wanted the parents to press charges. This was averted by an apology made by the vicar.

I always knew the woods near Spindle Hillock as being Bluebell Woods. Thats the reason I was surprised to see it marked as The Clough on the map.

Posted by: trixie (4929)   Report abuse
I did hear it was Rector Hall but not sure if it was true or what for.

He was a very popular and well liked Rector as far as I know.

Posted by: whups (3103)  Report abuse
just to wish all ex downall greeners a happy new year .

Posted by: trixie (4929)   Report abuse
Yes same to you Brian and everyone .xx

Posted by: PeterP (6756) Report abuse
Happy New Year to all Downall Greeners and Ex Downall Greeners Let us all enjoy 2019

Posted by: RobinG (438) Report abuse
Good evening all, I hope that you all had a Good Christmas. Unfortunately, I had a problem logging onto the WW site, as it had now gone to Number 9, possibly because I had not been in the best of health this year and I had not been on the site for such a long time. Glad to see that a lot of the old names are still around, and that you seem to have remembered to ask lots of interesting questions of them. Without asking questions, the history of Downall Green will be lost. My family are growing up fast, my youngest Daughter and family are now living in Canada, they are very much into skiing, today I heard that my Grand-daughter had lunch with the Canadian Prime Minister yesterday and then joined him for some skiing on the slopes. My other Daughter and her family are still living in Rochester and making a success of their lives. May I wish you all a Happy New Year, and hope that I do not leave it so long before I am in contact with you all again.

Posted by: jouell (4492) Report abuse
Happy New Year to one and all.. Hope 2019 is good to you..xx

Posted by: uncle joe (638) Report abuse
Happy New Year to all. Lets hope 2019 is a good year for all of us.

Posted by: tonker (19648)   Report abuse
Happy New Year .... to all you St.Helensers, from all your Wigan neighbours! 😀

Posted by: dougie (3628)  Report abuse
The truth is out there about the Ashton and Haydock boundary cock-up, I Knew the truth before it happened m

Posted by: tonker (19648)   Report abuse
What's the Ashton and Haydock boundary got to do with Downall Green, Dougie?

Posted by: bentlegs (4280) Report abuse
Tumtingle. You mentioned the Shuffs (Cunliffes) Do you remember Margret who came round with the milk float, She befriended Dorothy Bold & Ema Befriended The eldest girl ,Yeds gone, cornt remember her name, From what i was told Ema did a lot for her,
Come on, Who went to Tommy Gum for a hair cut& where did he live, He charged the old Tuppance & could talk back legs off a Donkey & then there was Tommy Gregg & his brother Peter next door to Jack Pye.s shop,Did you know the Opera singer who lived at the bottom of Rectory rd, Plummy the Bobby & pellet nose the other bobby, There was also Eric Cartwright from Spindle Hillock,They were all carictures,

Posted by: bentlegs (4280) Report abuse
Tumtingle, Doreen Bold was the girl i couldn^t think of & Percy Hurst was the opera singer,

Posted by: dougie (3628)  Report abuse
Percy Hurst I don't remember him but was he the father of Fred & Crissy Hurst as they lived there,

The other post was very good Margret & Ema befriended me long before Doreen & Dorothy Bold from Rectory Road, as we only lived across from the farm in the 40s and as you will know Margret never had any children and Ema never married she was about the same age as my sisters they played together as children,

I kept in touch with Ema by phone a few times and sent her some old photo's of the area the last phone call off her was asking me could I get any old photo's of the children walking round the church on their confirmation day ( I didn't get any)

Posted by: bentlegs (4280) Report abuse
Tumtingle, I dont know if Percy Hurst had any kids or not but he spent most of his adult life down in London, I never spoke to Ema after i left Our Lady"s school she gave me a hell of a time while i was there all because i would not go to church . I left at 11 & went to Central school as it was then, now Cansfield,

Posted by: erwick (130) Report abuse
Dougie, Fred and Chrissie were born at 62 Brocstedes Road to William and Alice.

Posted by: erwick (130) Report abuse
If it's any value, William Hurst married Alice Cunliffe. Could be a connection?

Posted by: erwick (130) Report abuse
There was a Frederick Hurst born in 1929 at 341. Garswood Road to PERCY and Esther.

This is Eric Winstanley , Downall Green University, Studying Geneology.

Posted by: bentlegs (4280) Report abuse
Chrissy Hurst lived at the bottom of Rectory Rd, Very keen bowler,

Posted by: bentlegs (4280) Report abuse
Hi Bert, Fist time i have seen your new car coming up Wigan rd on Tuesday, That was the first time we have waled into Ashton since May, Of coarse i was knackered when we got there but it"s a start to getting back to how i was,
Hi Trixie, have you booked for 2019 yet? Molly is talking about it but not sure i want to go,

Posted by: tonker (19648)   Report abuse
Fame at last?
A block of flats in Bolton!

Posted by: bert (629) Report abuse
Hi Bentlegs it was lovely to see you and Molly walking again,I could not stop for a chat i was going to exercise rehab at D w.hope to see you soon.

Posted by: bentlegs (4280) Report abuse
Uncle Joe, You mentioned the bridge over Millingford Brook near to the two cottages, From what i have been told is that Thomas Crompton had it built so that his sister Dot Crompton could walk to church in her younger days, later she was taken in horse & trap & later by car, Cromptons payed for the tower to be built at the front of the church,

Posted by: dougie (3628)  Report abuse
Yes you right about the bridge they also put the red shale drive and trees from the bridge to the church so they only had a short walk, as Dot Crompton's played the pump organ for years before Harry Lowe took over

Posted by: dougie (3628)  Report abuse
Just come back from Ashton I've been talking to a man that lived in the Blue Bell Cottages as a lad, anyone know him not many on here will have seen the cottages that was in the schoolyard till about 1944

Posted by: jouell (4492) Report abuse
Before my time Dougie, I only moved to DG in 1948, when I was 4.

Posted by: uncle joe (638) Report abuse
bentlegs/dougie, thanks for the info about the bridge and church tower. Not something that I had known of.

Returning to earlier questions, does anyone know when Down Brook had its name changed to Millingford Brook? Was it a smithy or mill on Dam Corner?

Who would have been rector in the early 60's? Would it have been Rector Hall?

Posted by: PeterP (6756) Report abuse
Where did Moor lane start and finish also where was Simms Road

Posted by: bentlegs (4280) Report abuse
Uncle Joe, The smithy was where Millingford factory used be, It was owned by Fred Lowe & the Blacksmith was Billy Wilkinson from Garswood, The Mill was over the bridge just inside what is called the Bluebell wood, it was driven by a water wheel, If you look over the wall on the other side you can still see the remains of the sluice gates fastend to the wall, From what i can remember Moor Lane was where Downallgreen Rd is now just had the name changed, Simms Rd is an area round about where the pub is ,

Posted by: tonker (19648)   Report abuse
Simm's Lane End. Downall Green Road used to be called Eddleston's Lane, and Tomplum's ancestors used to own it. If you wanted to go to Ashton town centre, down 'their' lane, you had to pay 'em. That's why Tomplum's well-off and can afford to retire early!

Posted by: i-spy (14151)  Report abuse
I don't think I've ever been to Downall Green. Is it worth a sightseeing tour

Posted by: tonker (19648)   Report abuse
You'll need a visa!

Posted by: bambam (1725)  Report abuse
Hi uncle joe, Rector Hall was replaced by Rector Gale not sure of year, then it was Rector Eaton.

Posted by: bentlegs (4280) Report abuse
Eddlestone Lane only ran from Soughers lane to Bryn Cross.

Posted by: dougie (3628)  Report abuse
Moor Lane started at Moor Lane farm at the top of Soughers Lane to the top of the brow going down to the Del/Dam at the bottom.

Moor Lane pit was on the left just before going down the brow and Moor Lane Co-op on the other side, pit area as now been changed it's name to Moor Lane farm but their was never a farm in that area

Posted by: whups (3103)  Report abuse
my dad worked at that pit dougie.it,s straight facing booths brow rd isnt it ? .

Posted by: dougie (3628)  Report abuse
Yes that's right, your uncle John also worked there and at Landgate in the 50s, I don't know your Dad but the Scully's was a big family with a lot of off shoots in the 50/60s

I worked at Stones in the 50s on day shift and on Fridays (payday) I was one of the lads that would take their wages home for them coming on the afternoon shift, your Dad may have been one if he was John's brother

Whups --I had done my face training on the yard mine face before I was 20

Posted by: dougie (3628)  Report abuse
BamBam---I think it was 62 as rector Gale married us in November 1963, have you ever looked where Rector Hall was put to rest it would have been at the bottom of his tennis court feet facing the church,

if you don't know why we will wait for someone to tell us

Posted by: tonker (19648)   Report abuse
Rector Gale!

Posted by: uncle joe (638) Report abuse
Which one of those three rectors was the one that was known to keep the Bluebell in profit? Was it Rector Hall?

Posted by: bambam (1725)  Report abuse
Yes it was Rector Hall uncle Joe, he always told his congregation that if anyone wants him when church is over they will find him behind Bell door.

Posted by: RobinG (438) Report abuse
Hi Downall Green from the Garden of England. Hope that you are all settling into the new year. Dougie, glad to see that you are keeping everyone in order. I remember the Moor Lane pit and the Co-Op on the corner of Booths Brow Road, how many remember the open cast mine at the rear of Our Ladies Church/Coronation Street/Brockstedes Avenue and down to Drummers Lane. I think that the Blue Bell Cottages were demolished in 1943/44 as I had just started at Rectory School and remember one of the games that we used to play against the wall dividing the playground and the cottages. Also, as the war was still on, there were the air raid shelters in the field where we later played games. I am sure that Rector Hall died in 1961 as I was in the RAF and attended his funeral as one of the coffin bearers. Keep up the good work.

 
 
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