PTSD

just reading up on PTSD doin a bit of research on it. Far more complicated than i ever thought of, and the cbt is very interesting reading.

Mate of mine did his Phd in PTSD Wiganer. His thesis was that there is no such thing as a borderline personality disorder and the symptoms are typical of someone with PTSD. Cognitive behavioural therapy is the buzz word at the moment in psychology and on a personal level I aint wholly convinced with it. There are a lot of specialists setting up as therapists at the moment. If you are into psychology stuff, read up on NLP (neurolinguistic programming) that is fascinating. Derren Brown uses it all the time and his book Tricks of the Mind is fantastic.

HI Franny its not that im into the psychological stuff, 11 years ago i was injured in the 1996 ira attack on manchester and had several illnesses in the 11 years since and now this motorbike accident in june has just rekindled everything from the morning of June15th 1996 to the moment of being knocked off my motorbike this June. So I have just been diagnosed with Complex PTSD, Please dont think im a nutter or anything like that its just i am not dealing with the emotional side of things and the new physical disabilities i have. So I have been doing a bit of research into it to find out what ive got to do to get back on track..

this subject is too deep for me on a sunday

2 deep for me anyday m8

chin up mate, you will get there

i know (but which chin shall chin up with 1s) ive got 3

all of em then ! seriously things will get better for you

Paul McKenna has done a lot of stuff on this.
You shouldn't dismiss anythng to do with the mind it is the most powerful force in the body

I know stel i have come across his stuff this week or should i say some of his work.

Whats "PTSD" ???

post traumatic stress disorder Opti

ahhhh.....well, without trying to hurt the feelings of anyone else, i believe there is no such thing

ok thanks optimus u have just cured me and several 1000 others,,

Sorry Wiganer516, I do not think it exists, yes, a lot of people have mental problems, but blaming it on PSDT (or whatever its called) in my eyes is a cop out

fair enough i aint gonna argue over it, try doing some reading on it then it might take those blinkers off.

reading???? sorry mate, lived it.

and i still insist it doesnt exist !

contradiction in terms there u dont believe it as its a cop out (now u have lived it) which is it?

Wiganer, it is now a recognised condition. Plenty of people have been helped and all the research has shown that it is very effective. Much better than to hit the bottle, drugs etc.
It is a well known medical fact that the mind has a huge impact on physical health

OK, dont take this the wrong way mate, you have had stress, but so have I. I must admit i have been lucky, and have full use of my body, BUT, you link your PDST back to a bomb, so what???? Lots of us have stress (starting with a bomb) but we do not call it a medical/mental problem....We just get on with it

I know it is stel

oh well i must be wrong then optimus and u r right so ill take your point. Many thanks for curing it

Am not thinking you're a nutter. Im into the psychology stuff cos Im a psychi nurse!!

Just 'cos i give an opposing view doesnt mean you can play the martyr

no1 is playing the martyr mate far from it like i said i appreciate your opinion.

"Many thanks for curing it"

Thats a martyr view

is it? oh well i stand corrected thanks again

sheesh !

Okay people. Some think there is PTSD some think there is not. Simple as. Personally I think there is PTSD and I have worked with patients diagnosed with it. For five years I worked with people who had been abused and many had PTSD, usually manifesting itself in self injury. Some people have better coping mechanisms than others and for many it is not just a case of "Get on with it!" Many cannot without help. PTSD is a recogised illness under DSM5R (Doctors criteria for diagnosis. I agree some people use it as an excuse at times. There has been a massive increase in emergency services gaining compensation for so called PTSD which I am sceptical about (I think they get paid for the stressful job they do and isnt that enough? Unless there are massively extreme circumstances!)

Franny, EXACTLY, its a compensation cop out !

Weak willed people exist, they need an excuse for being weak willed

and if u dont get compensation optimus what is it then??? just a cop out

However Optimus, I still think there is PTSD and Wiganer may well have it. Its not a nice illness at all and for genuine suffers there is a need for treatment and in my opinion one should not start off with the view that someone is just attention seeking or using things as an excuse. One diagnosis which does make me question sometimes is ADHD. When I was a kid, kids who misbehaved were basically naughty kids. Now ADHD is banded around a lot and sometimes too much in my opinion. ADHD may exist but I fail to believe that there has been a massive increase in it in the last two years!

I honestly believe this new found 'illness' IS a cop out.

This compensation culture of ours (which i detest) allows people to attribute there weaknesses to a so called illness, and then have financial gain.

Its like everything, genuine sufferers get tarred with the same brush as the ones who do abuse it. There are a lot of people with mental health problems that could have been helped with the correct treatment. Its easy to pick on mental health disorders and disbelieve, because you cannot see the illness.

lol

Stel, why do only 'some people' have PDST ? and not all ?

PTSD aint newly found though optimus,it has been around for years. First World War soldiers had a lot of it but then they used to call it 'Shell Shock'. A mate of mine had a job for a while working in the USA with Vietnam Vets with PTSD. There is a compensation culture and I agree with you on that, its just that those people who do not have the symptoms and say they do are causing people to be sceptical about genuine sufferers. Its the same I guess for the many people on disability benefit who claim when they are not really disabled. That takes resources away from genuine disabled people. There is a woman where I work and she gets on my nerves because she drives a massive Mercedes sports car,can walk well from what I have seen of her and yet has a disabled sticker on her car!It is very annoying!!

optimus im my personal opinion what u r sayin is degrogetory and discriminative and offensive to any sufferer that has offically been diagnosed with it.

Medically its as recognised as any other illness so if someone has a disease that is medically recognised are they faking it? as that is what your implying

"Medically its as recognised as any other illness so if someone has a disease that is medically recognised are they faking it? as that is what your implying"!

YES

There are many reasons, hundreds in fact, which can range from evironmental, family support, age of incident or incidents, lifestyle ie. people who are involved in accidents are much more able to adapt than someone who has had major injuries and has to adapt their entire lifestyle

note - no 'implication'

"people who are involved in accidents are much more able to adapt than someone who has had major injuries and has to adapt their entire lifestyle"

Er, surely the incident itself is sufficient for the 'illness' ?

100% blinkered and you have never LIVED through it as you claim otherwise you wouldnt be so flippant and offensive in your discriminative remarks (which i do believe being discriminative is 1 of the forums no nos) well done mate

Wiganer, to get any info you need to speak to someone who actually knows what they are talking about. ie. an expert in the field. You won't get anywhere with someone who just has a personal opinion without any knowledge or facts.

stel I already have love my original posting was just saying i didnt realise it was so indepth and wide spread

"you have never LIVED through it"

Blown up once (IPG Attack)
Mortared twice
Shot at 3 times (2 x Heavy machine gun, 1 x sniper)
Watched a mate die with a cut throat whilst locals clapped and cheered
Dug bodies out of the ground with their removed heads shoved into their slashed abdomens
Dragged bodies out of a river (had been in there so long there limbs came off)

Nah, sorry, your right, time I shut up

Are you a psychi nurse Stel?

There has been a lot of research done in this. Even from a medical stand point. They now acknowledge that even with physical illnessess the psychological aspect is as, if not more important than physical aspects

and yet u say it doesnt exist your just shooting yaself in the foot every time u type something. never heard some much nonsence of 1 individual in 1 posting i think your in denial of your own condition

No i work in medicine. I have done a lot of reading on the subject as it i find it interesting

1. I dont have a condition
2. No denial
3. I guess i'm just a normal person who doesnt blame a loud bang on me filling my kecks

"you have never LIVED through it"

Blown up once (IPG Attack)
Mortared twice
Shot at 3 times (2 x Heavy machine gun, 1 "x sniper)
Watched a mate die with a cut throat whilst locals clapped and cheered
Dug bodies out of the ground with their removed heads shoved into their slashed abdomens
Dragged bodies out of a river (had been in there so long there limbs came off)

Nah, sorry, your right, time I shut up"

Opti, perhaps thats why you are so angry and intolerant all the time

well just for the record I personally find what you have written very offensive and bigoted. but do wish you all the best in your recovery

This is getting out of hand a bit. Can you two just agree to disagree??? People cope with things better than others, people are different simple as that. Optimus, in years to come you may have PTSD. Who knows what is around the corner? PTSD can manifest at anytime

Thought you had Stel, Im a psychi nurse and thought I may have known you. Trained at Winwick before they shut it!!

"Opti, perhaps thats why you are so angry and intolerant all the time"

Only when I meet whining "I deserve more than I've got" types

"well just for the record I personally find what you have written very offensive and bigoted. but do wish you all the best in your recovery"

and just for the record, I find you a moaning, whining person, life is not perfect, GET ON WITH IT !!!

"Optimus, in years to come you may have PTSD"

How can I get it??? Its a created fop for this mild mannered PC led country of ours. It is NOT an affliction, its a way out !

Opti i do agree that some people are looking for a cop out. If there is one thing that gets my goat its No win No fee Solicitors who have made this problem a thousand times worse. There are some people who would gladly cash in on anything so long as they didn't have to get a job or cope with life. And the ones who jump on a diagnosis because it gives them all the excuses they want and absolve themselves of any responsibility for themselves. However there are real sufferers and correct diagnosis and treatment is vital for them. Some people have falsely claimed to have cancer in order to scam money. It doesn't mean cancer doesn't exist

Well as I say Optimus its your opinion. And for the record, i dont think you are being discriminatory, just expressing an opinion which is what this site is for isnt it?? I think PTSD exists but agree some people may try to make out they have it when they have not. Its important those people are weeded out. However, I dont agree everyone uses PTSD as an excuse and Wiganer may well have it, I do not know! I do not know Wiganer! And thats my opinion as well!!

Stel, dont pull 'cancer' out of the hat, that is low (thought you better than that !!!!)

Franny, I agree, its an opinion, BUT, it makes me mad when someone says they heard a bang in manchester 11 years ago, and then use that as the foundation of a non-existant 'mental problem.

There is, in MY opinion, only one mental problem in that case....and you know my thoughts on that....'nuff said

Opti that was just an example. ok, then muscular dystrophy, multiple sclerosis,back problems. All the same to me. Just an example of what someone will use if they want to. Doesn't mean they don't exist just because someone uses an illness for another purpose

classical absolutly classical optimus, closest you have got to those situations is playing with your action men which i think u should stop as it cant be healthy.

Oh and its JUST MY OPINION

"muscular dystrophy, multiple sclerosis,back problems" - Physical injuries, not applicable

"classical absolutly classical optimus, closest you have got to those situations is playing with your action men which i think u should stop as it cant be healthy."

Yeah, suppose your right !

PHYSICAL INJURIES INCLUDED AS I WAS PHYSICALLY INJURED IN MANCHESTER (helps if u get the facts 1st)

what was that then 516?

what was what? OPTI?

your injury? in 1996?

Just as a point really im actually on several websites 1 actually describes the moment a fire officer saw me being blown off my feet and over a car" and then carrying me into the place i worked. so dont tell me about physical injuries u half wit

answer the question

loss of hearing torn back shoulder muscles glass cuts and glass embedded into my back and arm,swollowing the glass as it flew in the air as the shock wave got us b4 the sound came. Bit more than hearing a bang

Wiganer, why are you justifying yourself. If thats what your doctor says then i would be more inclined to follow his advice rather than someone whose knowledge is " i don't believe it exists". Go with the experts and get yourself sorted

still not good enough to qualify for your stringant medical knowledge?

because stel someone who is meant to have witnessed what he claims has such a limited knowledge of the condition so the work the legacy project at warrington is all for nothing is it an absolute fool u r opti and i am not justifying myself im showing u up for the tool u r. infact i think u deserve my 1st ignore as i cant be bothered with such a half wit any more

PMSL , ok 516, you were 'seriously' injured (not).

I appreciate your current situation (believe me I do), BUT, i must withold my sympathy for you so i can better make use of it for invalided comrades of mine who have suffered loss of limbs, sight, full hearing etc through a bomb blast and still, to this day, (we are talking '87 and '91) do not have RSVP (whatever !)

You were lucky that day, dont milk it !

Dear God, where would this country be after WWI and WWII if PTSD was 'going' in those days? Folk are too soft nowadays and need to grow backbone which this country was renowned for, instead of whinging and moaning, and now we're known as spineless b'stards! Let's get a grip and sort ourselves out!

516, 'ignore' is the refuge of scoundrels....so, you fit the bill, do it

Stel, well, use the 'ignore' too

Wiganer, his opinion is worthless as it is just that, a personal opinion. If he doesn't believe something exists it doesn't mean it doesn't. He is not an expert in the field of medicine, psychology or psychiatry. So don't worry about it and stick with the people that are

What do YOU know Stel ???

Opti why would i use the ignore.Your opinions don't bother me at all. If you object to mine you also have the priviledge of the ignore button

What do YOU know Stel ???

Obviously a damn site more than you Opti

Stel "Your opinions don't bother me at all"

Stel "his opinion is worthless"

??????????

Go back to lah-lah land woman

Opti you are just an ignorant bully. Well i will not be bullied by the likes of you.

stel dont worry i can more than handle myself with halfwits like him i just cant be bothered talking to someone with his condition , if he is still ranting on he is only doing so to get attention as his action men dont satisfy him the way they used to. having grown up in the military surroundings both parents were serving with the army for my childhood ,He was clearly chucked out at the recruitment office never mind served.

PMSL, now an accusation of bullying. You are a contradiction in terms. Talk sense, or dont talk !

There is no such thing as a contradiction in terms ,actually it is a misnomer

"He was clearly chucked out at the recruitment office never mind served."

NOW You are annoying me gobshite. Have you served???

stel dont use words he cant understand anything more than 1 sylable confuses the likes of him

I'm actually bored with it now zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

"There is no such thing as a contradiction in terms ,actually it is a misnomer"


Ok, Ok, lol, are you of the intelligentsia ? Are you trying to brow beat this working class man ?

Actualy, i dont give a damn

i like this when it shows up next to his name ignored and you cant read it, its funny

516 copped out, what a surprise

I'm also bored with this topic too, stel48 and agree zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

I aint sure it exists either.....sorry franny!
I've known soldiers who've been knocked a lot senseless by what they have experienced and then healed over time, I aint convinced its ptsd, or even if that term should just be called stress. Theres differing levels of many illnesses, stress and depression being under the same blanket.
I've lived in Northern Ireland during the troubles and seen first hand what its like, been threatened a couple times usual stuff and I am just a ex wife of a squaddie, yep it was scarey some of the time, but I don't think that has anything to do with me being the miserable git that I am lol.
Yep bombs are nasty, so are wars, bullets, etc etc. I think it depends on the strength of the person or whether they want to live forever in that minute when something went bad. Personally I see my life as a once only thing, I'd rather have a future than live in the past, if more thought the same there'd be less stress, depression or ptsd .

After reading all the threads in this posting its obvious that someone has a serious disorder or denial, and thats in no way aimed at you Wiganer516.

Empress, well said

Honk, I am neither in denial nor do I have a 'disorder'. Though, now I think about it, maybe I DO have a disorder, its called coming to terms with lifes surprises and upsets and dealing with them, NOT blaming it on some fictional medical problem instead of addressing the real issue, weak will !

i think i have a form of PTSD but mine aint post its present,,,,,

mines caused by kids

lol tracyh oh dont start someone off he will have u down as a weak willed parent.

Many thanks Honk wouldnt bother me as at the end of the day its only a screen that we r reading no point in getting wound up about some1 thats not real so no i didnt see it aimed at me

516, you seem like YOU are in denial just because not everyone seems to think/agree PMT (or whatever you call it) is real. I have experienced more than some 'true suffers' have, but I dont claim I have 'ABCD',. how do you account for that? Or am I liar making it up?

oh bugger can someone tell me what the toy soldier is having to say cos i cant be bothered takin her off ignore

he said

516, you seem like YOU are in denial just because not everyone seems to think/agree PMT (or whatever you call it) is real. I have experienced more than some 'true suffers' have, but I dont claim I have 'ABCD',. how do you account for that? Or am I liar making it up?

oop's

oh right not worth asking for it really but many thanks i thought she might have put summat worth reading never mind

Please, someone relay the message to "I heard a bang, once, now i'm living in terror and having bad dreams, pissing my bed and WANT, NAY DESERVE, TAX PAYERS MONEY to alleviate my serious medical issues"

Ta

awwwwww u sword

who did who sword

oh yeah sorry meant to put these links of for any1 who is suffering from anyform of mental ilness through being in the armed forces.ALLIED SPECIAL FORCES PTSD
BBC NEWS ON FORCES WITH PTSD"
Study into forces with ptsd"

plenty of reading for those interested for those not then dont need to read them surprising even the british army has websites regarding this

Yawn, cheers, now, you go back to quivering in a dark room, i'll continue with living life.

TTFN

Wiganer, as i have said before please ask your doctor for a referral to the pain clinic, as it is known that living with chronic pain can cause severe depression and they are very good at dealing with it

"as it is known that living with chronic pain can cause severe depression"

Stella, is that an XYZ symptom???????

XYZ off

sorry stel must av missed that i go to the pain clinic for whats left of my shoulder and arm More titanium in it now than bone but thanks love

Oh, go away Stel, you and your kind sicken me, you really do. I bet you lived in an Igloo at Greenham Common didnt you????

i take it toy soldier is spouting on stel dont take her on it bugs em what they know ya cant see wots said

516, if you cant view, shut up. If you have to hide in ignorance, then do so, dont snipe, that is the action of a waster

Opti you really are becoming sadder by the minute. Go on take it out on me. Gives me a giggle if nothing else.

Stell, kudos to you, at least you dont hide behind 'ignore'

You ARE misguided, but at least you dont run & hide

Wiganer, Opti is more self opinionated than me , and thats saying something

stel ive come to the conclusin SHE is nothing more than a biggoted fool who clearly has never been in any kind of situation SHE claimed to have. As PTSD is not real neither is HER fasination at playing with action men and getting banned off here constantly and constantly being allowed back on HER biggoted and offensive remarks should be taken as they are read and intended by HER. SO dont waste your time with HER

Stel "Wiganer, Opti is more self opinionated than me"

I SO agree Stel, but, my opinion is derived from real life, where is your opinion derived from???? Text books? TV?? The Internet??

LOL, 516, you crease me

No education and research for the last 30 years. Also a lot of time working in medicine.

Internet learning is for fools. Give me some credit

Wiganer, i do think Opti has indeed done and seen the things he claims and i will give him his due. If he goes away and reflects on something and thinks he was wrong he is big enough to admit he was wrong and apologise. He is a stubborn bugger though and his beliefs are held fast.

stel ill leave the subject with u i really wont be wastin time with it, and i would rather stick pins in my eyes than the thought of an apology of that tool. Dont worry ate bigger crisps than that fool

Good god i'm not saying he will apologise to you. Just leave it, you won't get anywhere. It doesn't matter anyway there is no need for justification. people will think what people will think. You can't change that. And it is their right at the end of the day. Only you know how you feel at the end of the day and you will always have them gorgeous kids, so nothing else matters