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Started by: sir bob (7084)  Report abuse
From Wigan Council Website .....

"Adoption and Fostering Week kicks off this week (3 - 9 March) with the aim of encouraging more LGBT people to consider giving a child a loving family"

http://www.wigan.gov.uk/News/LGBT-people-foster-or-adopt

I don't want to sound bigoted, but this just does not seem right to me.

Posted by: tonker (20100)   Report abuse
I couldn't care less whether I sound bigoted or not, a deviant household is NOT a good environment for a child to be brought up in!

Posted by: sir bob (7084)  Report abuse

Posted by: tonker (20100)   Report abuse
If Hitler knew what was going on nowadays, he'd rip his own tache off in frustration!

Posted by: chris southworth (565) Report abuse
100% agreed Tonker.

Posted by: tonker (20100)   Report abuse
Next time I see Dave Pasquill, I'll tell him we've finally agreed on something!

Posted by: mick-dorset (3062) Report abuse
I think some people will disagree with you on that,people such as craig faunch , ian wathey, tom o'carroll and james rennie (former chair of lgbt scotland) certainly think it is a good idea !

Posted by: detritus21 (381) Report abuse
Must admit I've also found something I agree on with Tonker

Posted by: wizzerwin (1555) Report abuse
I say don't knock it till you've tried it, I've never tried to adopt I'm a bit to old now.

Posted by: Bennie (1297)  Report abuse
Adoption should always be about the child but sadly the Guardian reading elitists who have infiltrated so many local authorities, including Wigan, put their political doctrine first and to hell with the poor child, its all about appeasing minorities and political correctness.

Posted by: walter (7025) Report abuse
Why on earth shouldn't a gay or lesbian couple, in a loving and stable relationship, be allowed to give a loving,safe home to a child who would otherwise not have one ?
Please tell me the view of same sex couples as "deviants" isn't a commonly held one on here in 2014.
Think of all the desperately sad cases of children being starved, abused and even tragically murdered over the past few years.Not one of them was from a gay or lesbian home.

Posted by: taguantar (inactive) Report abuse
walter, I'll say one thing on this; male homosexuality involves sodomy,and, as a devout Christian, no one can square this with me, be it 2014BC, or 3014 in the year of Our Lord

Posted by: walter (7025) Report abuse
And I respect your views on that my friend

Posted by: tonker (20100)   Report abuse
Regardless of the date, they're deviants. It's not a 'normal' lifestyle. And let it stay that way!
It's now had bi-sexual and transgender added to the list of 'accepted perversions'. What next?

Posted by: taguantar (inactive) Report abuse
Sheep???

Posted by: walter (7025) Report abuse
My point is, and I truly respect all views on this, that there are many gay and lesbian couples (I count as good friends 2 gay couples who have been together for over 30 years) who could provide a loving, safe environment for children who would otherwise be condemned to a life in institutions.
I equally believe that a literal reading of the Bible/Koran any ancient text needs to be taken carefully, not just picking out the sections that fit a particular argument.
This clip from what I believe to be the best TV show of the last 25 years) shows the danger of any kind of fundementalism

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eD52OlkKfNs

Posted by: walter (7025) Report abuse
Sorry, 30 years working in IT and still cant post a link !

Posted by: kryten (inactive) Report abuse
That's a different matter altogether, Tag.

Posted by: taguantar (inactive) Report abuse
I don't know what "institutions" are like these days,but I would hazard that a child growing up with two poofs, ( I don't use that word disrespectfully, but these people have hijacked the other fun loving word, and I refuse to use it in this respect), is very likely to become one itself

Posted by: elmos (2772)  Report abuse
It seems that if you don't consider homosexuality
normal you should keep quiet,but in my opinion it
is not normal for two men to have sex.
How long before paedophillia will be seen as normal.

Posted by: tonker (20100)   Report abuse
"How long before piedofilier will be seen as normal"

Phil McCrackup!

Posted by: retep1949 (537) Report abuse
Hitler . You are sick people

Posted by: tonker (20100)   Report abuse
There's no point sending posts to Hitler. He can't read 'em, 'cos he's dead!

Posted by: retep1949 (537) Report abuse
The Nazis murdered thousands of children You are very sick

Posted by: taguantar (inactive) Report abuse
retep, are you sure you're on the same subject as the rest of us?

Posted by: baker boy (14994) Report abuse
I have got to say this encouragement of such an idea, fills me full of dread.you could not possibly rely on social services to monitor such a bad idea with any effectiveness.
children need a balanced upbringing ,you PC people can say what the hell you like in its defence,but this idea stinks,its dangerous.

Posted by: retep1949 (537) Report abuse
Yes I am on the same subject, Tonker brought up Hitler

Posted by: taguantar (inactive) Report abuse
Oh, right

Posted by: retep1949 (537) Report abuse
Yes oh right!

Posted by: taguantar (inactive) Report abuse
retep, I doubt if any of us like Hitler, including tonker, but would you not care to comment on sir bob's post

Posted by: ahcawntspeyk (5827) Report abuse
Think of all the desperately sad cases of children being starved, abused and even tragically murdered over the past few years.Not one of them was from a gay or lesbian home.





So... You aware of EVERY such case then walter? I think NOT.. So you cannot make that claim can you?

Posted by: retep1949 (537) Report abuse
I will comment when I please,it's called freedom

Posted by: walter (7025) Report abuse
"So... You aware of EVERY such case then walter? I think NOT.. So you cannot make that claim can you? "

No, I'm not aware of EVERY case but I suspect that if there had been one involving a Gay or Lesbian couple then the press would (quite rightly) have been all over it and this thread would be chocka block with links to the Daily M**l

Posted by: baker boy (14994) Report abuse
walter would a gay couple bring a child up straight?
the influences of their non hetrosexual tendencies would give a child the impression two similar sexed "couples" would be the norm.

Posted by: walter (7025) Report abuse
I guess this is one of those discussions that can never be resolved as all parties have a genuinely held belief one way or the other

To answer your specific point :

I don't believe that people either choose to be gay or can be 'raised'to be gay, if that were the case then the contrary would surely apply (i.e a straight couple would only raise straight children),if that were thev case then my guess would be that 99.9999% of the population would be heterosexual when that patently isn't the case

I suggest we just live and let live

Posted by: jathbee (9570) Report abuse
Baker boy. If that statement held any kind of truth there would be no gay people. All children are born from a male/female union, and brought up in a male/female environment, for the most part. Most gay people have been brought up in a heterosexual environment, it didn't 'prevent' them from being gay. Being gay is not a lifestyle choice, it is who they are. And they should be allowed to live their lives with the same rights as everyone else, without fear of prejudice or persecution.

In adoption the child's needs should always be what is important and if that means being adopted by a same sex couple, I don't see a problem.

Posted by: Anne (3580)  Report abuse
When starting school there could be problems with being shunned/bullied because their "parents" are seen as being different. Other children are bound to hear snide remarks.

Posted by: jathbee (9570) Report abuse
Other children are bullied in school for a variety of reasons. I wonder how some on here would react if any one was to admit to being gay. Bullied probably and they are supposed to be grown ups.

Posted by: basil brush (12718) Report abuse
People on here have been bullied for having an opinion.

Posted by: joseph 1 (inactive) Report abuse
Flippin' eck, Basil, just let it drop.

Posted by: basil brush (12718) Report abuse
See what I mean!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: joseph 1 (inactive) Report abuse
That's bullying?

Posted by: pisolivadi (1812)  Report abuse
walter's link

Posted by: jathbee (9570) Report abuse
Lessons to be learned. That's a good link, thanks.

Posted by: pisolivadi (1812)  Report abuse
I had a lesbian friend in the eighties who struggled to, but eventually adopted a paraplegic baby whose only known senses were touch and sight.

I wouldn't call her a deviant . I'd call her a saint.

Posted by: jathbee (9570) Report abuse
I wouldn't call them deviants either. They are just different but then aren't we all, it would be a very poor world indeed if we were all the same and worse still if we all the same thoughts.

Posted by: basil brush (12718) Report abuse
Totally agree, pisolivadi.

Posted by: grandad (2082) Report abuse
I really need more time to think about this maybe I'm biased but I think it would be fine for two ladies to adopt,. not sure about men

Posted by: jathbee (9570) Report abuse
Why would you think gay men are less trustworthy than gay women. They are not paedophiles.

Posted by: barflag7 (1865) Report abuse
Are homosexuals more likely to be paedophiles than heterosexuals are? I've seen articles about sexual abuse victims saying that boys make up about 1/3 of victims. And that seems about right from what I've read when news stories about abuse are in the media. Since most abusers (at least those that make it to court) are men and homosexuals make up between 2% and 10% of the population depending on who you believe, it would seem they are responsible for more abuse per capita. Now maybe it is a case of those homosexuals who are abusers are more prolific on average. Or maybe homosexuals are more likely to be abusers. I don't imagine we'll see any government funded studies to find out anytime soon.

Posted by: walter (7025) Report abuse
Sorry barflag,I have no idea how you arrived at your conclusion which I assume is that (and sorry if I'm misreading your post) that the majority of paedophiles are gay men ?
The data you hve used would appear to prove exactly the opposite of that

Posted by: barflag7 (1865) Report abuse
I did not say the majority of paedophiles are homosexual men. I said the proportion of male victims (approx. 1/3) is much larger than the proportion of homosexuals in the population (2-10%) and thus either the homosexual abusers are more prolific on average than heterosexual abusers or homosexuals are more likely to be abusers.

Further to the adoption issue, I would have concerns about a man adopting a girl child as well. And apart from the risk of abuse there is the issue that children should have both sexes to interact with as parents in the home. Sometimes kids only have single parents. They can get by (as in the case of many single mothers) but the best is to have two of the opposite sex.

Posted by: grandad (2082) Report abuse
Nothing to do with men being gay jathbee just that woman are natural homemakers and the gentler sex ( so we are told ) I also think there would be less bullying at school for the kids if its two woman who adopt rather than two men, for some reason lesbians are more acceptable in society than gay men, not that it bothers me either way, live and let live is my motto.

Posted by: elmos (2772)  Report abuse

Some have put the case for lesbian and homosexuals,it being
They were born that way.
That's fair enough,but how does that work with bisexuals.
Am not getting into the transgenders.

Posted by: jathbee (9570) Report abuse
There will be concerns in any adoption and there are interviews and rigorous checks carried out beforehand. It has to be better for a child to have the love and care of two men or women in a stable home than to spend a life time in care to be left alone once they reach adulthood.

Posted by: barflag7 (1865) Report abuse
It seems strange that one hears of many heterosexual marriages that can't produce children and they apply for adoption and there is a long waiting list so they wait and wait or go offshore. Then single sex relationships get children to adopt. It appears to be experimental social engineering. Experimenting on humans was frowned upon when a certain European leader was doing that 70 years ago. Time to retake society. I'd like to see people get their torches, pitchforks and ropes and do a little housecleaning.

Posted by: walter (7025) Report abuse
Last sentance,another joke I hope ?

Posted by: jouell (4705) Report abuse
I am just saying this and no more, but.. I personally know a gay couple, one of them had been married to a woman, they had a beautiful daughter together, after a few years they divorced the daughter chose to live with her Dad.. Later he began a Gay relationship, after finally admitting to himself that try as he may to live a 'straight' lifestyle, he couldn't... He and his partner have been together now for 18 years, they brought up the girl together, she is a beautiful girl, doing great in Uni, is very well adjusted and has a boyfriend... It doesn't mean that because her Dad is gay and she was brought up in a 'gay' household that she has somehow been damaged and will never be normal...

Just thinking about it, I know another couple, lesbians, one had been married before and had two daughters, before starting her relationship with her partner of 25years.. The two daughters lived with their Mum and partner, had a brilliant childhood, both went to Uni, , both are now married to a man, both have children of their own, one is a professional musician, plays the oboe, the other is a Vetenarian... All three have grown up 'normal' and done great in their lives, in spite of being brought up by Gay and Lesbian parents...

Posted by: jathbee (9570) Report abuse
Nice examples that it can and does work.

Posted by: ststephens97 (inactive) Report abuse
God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve,
Alan Patridge circa 1996

Posted by: pisolivadi (1812)  Report abuse
@barflag...
'' Time to retake society. I'd like to see people get their torches, pitchforks and ropes and do a little housecleaning.''

....and your white pointy-hat and cloak.

Its not a joke, sadly, Walter. Jokes are funny.

He is truly beneath contempt.

Posted by: barflag7 (1865) Report abuse
I'm very hurt that you feel that way. Your opinion might not be important to anyone else but it is to me.

Posted by: tonker (20100)   Report abuse
Jouell - I also know some 'gays' (although I prefer to call them by their correct name, Homosexuals) and can say there's a wide range of them.

Here's an few examples :-

Closet,

Extreme,

And In your face!

Normal, heterosexual people, who based their lifestyle on sexual perversions would be branded as unfit to adopt!

Posted by: baker boy (14994) Report abuse
jathbee
your holding the wrong end of the stick,nowt to do with how "gay" people became/realised they where gay .i said would gay people bring the child up straight or would their undoubted influences encourage single sex liasons.
the parents influences in childhood instil certain beliefs, which we carry through our lives has adults.

Posted by: jathbee (9570) Report abuse
Baker boy have you read my 10.48 post?

Posted by: baker boy (14994) Report abuse
no

Posted by: madamehmurray (6144)   Report abuse
I agree with Tonker that is not a good household to raise a child in.

Posted by: jathbee (9570) Report abuse
To be honest baker boy, I don't care

Posted by: baker boy (14994) Report abuse
only joking touchy

Posted by: jathbee (9570) Report abuse
So was I, did you overlook my smiley, touchy

Posted by: d_cottriall (68) Report abuse
Has anyone that has said its not a "good" environment to bring a child up ever actually spoke to a child who has gay parents and got there opinion on the matter? There is plenty of straight house holds that aren't a good environment to bring children up in exactly the reason why so many children are up for adoption in the first place. This lad makes a very good point http://youtu.be/yMLZO-sObzQ

Posted by: sir bob (7084)  Report abuse
I know a bloke who is as queer as a duck and he has a daughter, who has got mental problems, she needs a squad of four full time carers, to look after her.

Posted by: d_cottriall (68) Report abuse
It doesn't matter what you do or who you do it with behind your bedroom door if you can provide a loving stable home for a child that hasn't got one NO ONE should tell you that you cant purely on THERE believes. The majority of gay couples don't adopt because of the stigma the child will receive at school and out and about which has nothing to do with the child its peoples opinions of people they more than likely haven't even spoken to.

Posted by: sir bob (7084)  Report abuse
I know a bloke who is as queer as a duck and he has a daughter, who has got mental problems, she needs a squad of four full time carers, to look after her.

Posted by: d_cottriall (68) Report abuse
Don't understand the point to that message

Posted by: sir bob (7084)  Report abuse
I don't understand why my last message was sent again at 12.04pm

Posted by: walter (7025) Report abuse
Never mind it appearing twice,why did you post it at all unless you're saying there is a cause and effect link between the dad and his poor daughter ?

Posted by: d_cottriall (68) Report abuse
That was the impression i got

Posted by: taguantar (inactive) Report abuse
Question: I'm asking this because I don't know the answer;
For how long have homosexuals been allowed to adopt? Have any homosexual couples had a child from infancy to adulthood?
I would never agree to the idea, but I'm sure there are enough experts among us to provide an answer

Posted by: d_cottriall (68) Report abuse
Gay couples have been able to adopt since 2005

Posted by: hotwaterpastry (inactive) Report abuse
" ever actually spoke to a child who has gay parents and got there opinion on the matter?"

Asking children is utterly ridiculous.

Fred Wests kids thought they had a normal family. Fact is that the attempt to portray homosexuality as perfectly normal wont stand up to serious scrutiny. Immediately the argument is seen to be lost it descends into the fascists accusing "non believers" as homophobes.

The reality is that homosexuality is a deviancy "deviation" and NOT an orientation. That does not say that anyone with that DYSFUNCTION should be persecuted but then again it should not be promoted either. What homosexuals do is completely their own affair right up until they start telling me how I should think, my children should think or discriminated for my views in employment or society as a whole.

Whenever you you say you are not a homosexual the tolerant brigade then jump on that saying "If you keep denying it you must be a closet homosexual". A catch 22 to embarrass you and shut you up.

So here's a question:

If thats so... does that mean that all the gays who claim they are gay and even go to the extremes of organising Gay Pride events, Gay pride and "Hug a gay" days are not really homosexual at all but CLOSET HETEROSEXUALS.

Now theres a conundrum.

Posted by: d_cottriall (68) Report abuse
Around 4,000 children are placed up for adoption each year with around 60 of those going to same sex couples that otherwise wouldn't have a loving home to go to. The uk is in desperate need of foster parents and people to adopt thats why the publicity has been towards same sex couples some of which didnt know they could adopt or as made quite clear on this topic by posts above feel that the public would be against a same sex couple to adopt.

Posted by: d_cottriall (68) Report abuse
What is it with you people in bringing the words gay, murderers and phedophile up in the same sentence?

Posted by: hotwaterpastry (inactive) Report abuse
Baloney.

One of the reasons for the "Shortage" of foster parents is the reluctance of the politically correct to foster black children with white parents.

Here's another question:

If the politically correct think that thats fine that like is fostered only by like should not homosexual couples only be allowed to adopt homosexual children?

Theres another conundrum

Posted by: d_cottriall (68) Report abuse
=hotwaterpastry you cannot tarnish all hay people with one stick neither can i tarnish all straight people with your views

Posted by: hotwaterpastry (inactive) Report abuse
what the heck does that tripe mean?

Posted by: hotwaterpastry (inactive) Report abuse
Try answering the questions instead of doing EXACTLY what I expected you to do

Posted by: d_cottriall (68) Report abuse
That makes no sense at all

Posted by: taguantar (inactive) Report abuse
Since 2005, then we are still nearly half a generation away from claiming that it is a good idea, and I'm sticking with, It's a very bad one,and it is, as someone suggested, social engineering "Suck it and see"

Posted by: hotwaterpastry (inactive) Report abuse
only if you dont want it to ............. another one in denial of the real world and how ridiculous its become

Posted by: hotwaterpastry (inactive) Report abuse
@taquantar

Thats exactly what it is ... social engineering from the same facist left wingers that thought multiculturalism was the way forward and is a complete failure

Posted by: d_cottriall (68) Report abuse
It means you are set in your ways and narrow minded

Posted by: d_cottriall (68) Report abuse
How can i answer a question that makes no sense

Posted by: hotwaterpastry (inactive) Report abuse
and you are a complacent fool

"the complacency of fools shall destroy them"

Its in the bible .. you want to try reading it sometime. It has something else in it as well. Morality.

Posted by: hotwaterpastry (inactive) Report abuse
answer this

"If the politically correct think that thats fine that like is fostered only by like should not homosexual couples only be allowed to adopt homosexual children?"

and this

"If thats so... does that mean that all the gays who claim they are gay and even go to the extremes of organising Gay Pride events, Gay pride and "Hug a gay" days are not really homosexual at all but CLOSET HETEROSEXUALS."

Posted by: d_cottriall (68) Report abuse
I was waiting for the bible bit, shall we stone our children as well because it says so in the bible

Posted by: hotwaterpastry (inactive) Report abuse
just answer the question

I was waiting for you to avoid them which you have

Posted by: hotwaterpastry (inactive) Report abuse
as for the bible bit its not about any "morality" its about common sense and how fools create their own problems by their complacency

Posted by: d_cottriall (68) Report abuse
That doesn't make any sense, how do you tell if a child is gay before they know what it is to be gay and develop and your other question is just stupid. Like i said you cant tarnish all gay people. I dont go out organising protest rally's im defending my self against your views one and you have never met me

Posted by: d_cottriall (68) Report abuse
The sooner your generation dies out the better

Posted by: taguantar (inactive) Report abuse
d cottrial, some of us are against this because of our Christian beliefs, and DON'T YOU DARE suggest otherwise!!

Posted by: hotwaterpastry (inactive) Report abuse


figures

I could have wrote that for you.

Like I say homosexuality is a dysfunction just as bad eyesight is and anybody with bad eyesight that went around insisting their eyesight was absolutely normal would be encouraged to see a psychiatrist. Anybody who goes around saying the same about a sexual dysfunction should be encouraged to do the same

Posted by: d_cottriall (68) Report abuse
Like a broken record, i didnt bring anything to do with christianity into this all i said was i was waiting for the bible bit.

Posted by: taguantar (inactive) Report abuse
You didn't need to, you silly sod, it's a Christian issue, to Christians, and you are probably a poof yourself

Posted by: hotwaterpastry (inactive) Report abuse

"The sooner your generation dies out the better"




You think?

My youngest son goes to University and told me that some of the whats classed as "Racism" and "homophobia" that goes on there OUTSIDE the student union would make Nick Griffen blush.

Things go around, nothing more quickly than fashion. You cant fight the instinct that something is wrong, you can keep it quiet for a while but it will always come back and bite you in the end

Posted by: d_cottriall (68) Report abuse
Id encourage them to ho to the opticians not a psychiatrist

Posted by: hotwaterpastry (inactive) Report abuse
for treatment?

Posted by: d_cottriall (68) Report abuse
So your passing your ratted onto the next generation

Posted by: hotwaterpastry (inactive) Report abuse
Thats just it. Anybody who knows me knows I have never "programmed" my kids into the way I think I have always encouraged them to make up their own mind.

I didn't say he contributed to the "racism" and "homophobia" I said he commented on WHAT IT WAS LIKE AT university

Posted by: d_cottriall (68) Report abuse
You get your eyes treated at the opticians.... They give you glasses

Posted by: taguantar (inactive) Report abuse
Pastry, walter's waiting, stage right, or is it left?

Posted by: d_cottriall (68) Report abuse
Seeing as you have such strong views it only takes a few comments hear and there to pass your views on children

Posted by: hotwaterpastry (inactive) Report abuse
The thing is this. If anybody questioned the students about these issues they would give you the answers you wanted to hear but its not what they think. Thats why people like you dont have a grasp of "the real world"

Posted by: d_cottriall (68) Report abuse
Is that why you are so uptight because you need glasses and have been doing to the wrong place?

Posted by: taguantar (inactive) Report abuse
d cottrial "so your passing your ratted onto the next generation"? spelling mistakes are forgiven on here, but what meaneth that?

Posted by: hotwaterpastry (inactive) Report abuse
"Seeing as you have such strong views it only takes a few comments hear and there to pass your views on children"

I dont indoctrinate them with a falsehood unlike what you are doing.

Walter? He gets his morality and political views from TV programs like the west wing ..... you know the real world with real people

Posted by: d_cottriall (68) Report abuse
Lmao think you need to read that comment back and listen to what you wrote that goes for your opinions aswell

Posted by: d_cottriall (68) Report abuse
No i dont love, im in my 20's so if your saying people views outside the student unions of which im one how are my opinions the same as yours

Posted by: hotwaterpastry (inactive) Report abuse
"
Is that why you are so uptight because you need glasses and have been doing to the wrong place? "

Yeah right.

The only people who are uptight are the ones who think you have to promote homosexuality. I dont, people can do what they like behind closed doors and I dont care a fig whatsoever but dont try ti indoctrinate either me, my kids, family and society as a whole that what you do is right

Posted by: d_cottriall (68) Report abuse
Again your telling me where im getting my knowledge from when you dont know me

Posted by: taguantar (inactive) Report abuse
d, you're English is falling apart, you need walter, I'm off to the pool for an hour, then lunch, pastry will have shot you to pieces by then, (if you haven't done it yourself)

Posted by: hotwaterpastry (inactive) Report abuse
"
No i dont love, im in my 20's so if your saying people views outside the student unions of which im one how are my opinions the same as yours"

Posted by: taguantar (inactive) Report abuse
d, what are you reading at university?, the Beano? Bye!

Posted by: walter (7025) Report abuse
Ah,fire under this thread again
Funny Angry Man is back from wherever
I just read the homophobic bile you and others spew out and despair
Thank goodness the next generation have a different view.

Posted by: hotwaterpastry (inactive) Report abuse
@ d_cottriall

"
Again your telling me where im getting my knowledge from when you dont know me"

You dont have any .... its all propaganda

Posted by: hotwaterpastry (inactive) Report abuse
@walter

Here we go man of no argument .... everybody's a homophobe


"Thank goodness the next generation have a different view."

Thats just it they dont

Posted by: d_cottriall (68) Report abuse
Im trying to type while im walking down the street, i think its quite funny

Posted by: hotwaterpastry (inactive) Report abuse
dont bother its not worth reading

anyway dinners finished Im off.

Posted by: walter (7025) Report abuse
Luckily for the world not everyone is a homophobe,you certainly are (unless you'd like to say that you're not ?)

Posted by: d_cottriall (68) Report abuse
Yea its propaganda love like global warming

Posted by: d_cottriall (68) Report abuse
You need get your eyes sorted at the opticians then go doctors about pills for the menopause you will feel like a new woman

Posted by: hotwaterpastry (inactive) Report abuse


Say no more. Its a well trodden path ... you just prove everything I say in bucketloads.

the 21st century inquisition

Posted by: hotwaterpastry (inactive) Report abuse
I will feel a new woman the next time I turn out and she'll like it

Posted by: hotwaterpastry (inactive) Report abuse
gone

Posted by: walter (7025) Report abuse
He really is a very funny, angry man.
Top class entertainment

He is a spoof right ?

Posted by: d_cottriall (68) Report abuse
Sorry ate you still going on

Posted by: d_cottriall (68) Report abuse
That was are incase you didnt understand it

Posted by: d_cottriall (68) Report abuse
Was enjoying that, anyway im off to turn everyone gay so we can all where pink hot pants and have pool partys listening to to WHAM

Posted by: sir bob (7084)  Report abuse
Homolulu

Posted by: walter (7025) Report abuse
My how we laughed
You going to answer my question from earlier today Sir Bob ?

Posted by: taguantar (inactive) Report abuse
For anyone interested, take the time to count the fors and againsts on this subject, and you'll find that morality wins.
walter you started posting well, but you've gone south and now sound like you're ghost writing for darren, d. cottrial is definitely batting for the other side and so should declare an interest

Posted by: jamse (4118) Report abuse
I would not take a poll of WW as being representative of people in general.

Again taking refuge in the false security of consensus. taq.
There's no morality on hwp side.

Posted by: taguantar (inactive) Report abuse
jamse, I knew it, you've done exactly the same thing again, come in with a late vote
There are now 3 of you with strong feelings on this subject, why don't you start something; for example;
Wigan Worlds' Society for the Support of Sodomy, (S.S.S)
President; walter
Secretary; jamse
Head Gardner; d.cottrial
You could start another thread all to yourelves

"Who put the sand in the vaseline, walt?"

Posted by: d_cottriall (68) Report abuse
The views on this site certanly dont represent the general public the majority of people on this forum come on hear to moan about somthing or express there views. What does it matter if im batting for the othere side or not.

Posted by: sir bob (7084)  Report abuse
walter:
"Never mind it appearing twice,why did you post it at all unless you're saying there is a cause and effect link between the dad and his poor daughter ?"

In this case I don't think that there is a link between the daughters mental illness and her fathers gayness.

But the point I am making is that in 'gay' homes all might not be honky dory ...

I cannot categorically guarantee, that the daughters mental illness is 'not' caused by her fathers gayness ?



Posted by: tonker (20100)   Report abuse
Ooooooooooh, you're awful, but I like you!

Posted by: jathbee (9570) Report abuse
Gay people are in every walk of life, a gay doctor, surgeon dentist or nurse may have treated you, gay teachers may be teaching your children. I would imagine most would go about their business without broadcasting the fact that they are gay and is it any wonder. Other's ideas of sexual morals should not be foisted onto others no more than religious beliefs should. They are breaking no laws and it's a matter of opinion if it is morally wrong or not. Now is it just male gays that some men object to because that's where the problem with men on here seem to lie, or is it with females too?

It's both criminally and morally wrong to subject children to sexual and physical abuse but it happens frequently and with heterosexual parents.

I don't see a problem with same sex couples adopting a child if they can give a child a good home and the love, care and attention that every child deserves.

Posted by: walter (7025) Report abuse
" I cannot categorically guarantee, that the daughters mental illness is 'not' caused by her fathers gayness ?

You stupid,stupid man

Posted by: Bennie (1297)  Report abuse

Posted by: taguantar (inactive) Report abuse
Very good benny, but I fancy he's more like Capt. Mainwaring

Posted by: kameras (444)   Report abuse
Just because something is popular does not make it right ( or wrong)
In times gone by Gays were not permitted to voice their views.
Today the straight community are not allowed to voice theirs , we seem to have exchanged positions.
Straight people are in my view , as a result of legislation and pressure, saying things that they really do not believe in lest they be labelled as homophobic or bigoted. The truth is that Whilst I defend the right of anyone to do whatever they like in their own private surroundings , I don't think that they ought to be able to adopt children. They are attempting to deprive a child of a mum and a dad. which is the right of any child......

Posted by: taguantar (inactive) Report abuse
Well said kameras, and very true, although some of us will still tell it as it is

Posted by: barflag7 (1865) Report abuse
It was said by someone above that you may have had a (homosexual) doctor treat you. As if that made a case in favour of acceptance of it. I had one, at least that I know of, 40 years ago and in doing so he made the case against acceptance of it.

Posted by: sir bob (7084)  Report abuse
walter:

"" I cannot categorically guarantee, that the daughters mental illness is 'not' caused by her fathers gayness ?

You stupid,stupid man"


Posted by: sir bob (7084)  Report abuse
What a bigoted thing to say to me walter

Posted by: walter (7025) Report abuse
There is nothing bigoted about calling someone stupid when they say stupid things
If you believe (truly believe,not for the purposes of this forum) that a poor girl's mental health problems are (or even could be) the result of her father's sexuality then you are a stupid bigoted man
I make no apologies for my choice of words

I'd suggest that bigotry is at the root cause of your views (and the views of many others on here)

Being gay is not illegal (unless we refer to the truly despicable approach in certain African countries)

If your objection is on religious grounds then I kind of respect that but ,as previously pointed out by me and others, you cannot pick and choose the elements of the Bible you wish to support and ignore the other positions which are simply not relevant in our modern world.

Posted by: sir bob (7084)  Report abuse
walter

I am not messing now or joking, this is what I genuinely think ...

The girl who I have mentioned, who has mental illness, I personally don't think that is anything to do with her father being gay.

I personally am not bigoted in any way and in fact I find queers to be funny, they make me laugh, both men and women and I could spend all day with them and enjoy their company immensely.

In fact I will state it more clearly and say that "I Like Queers"

Have you got that walter ,,,, "I Like Gay Men And Gay Women"

Posted by: walter (7025) Report abuse
"Queers" - really Sir Bob ?

Posted by: sir bob (7084)  Report abuse
walter

When I say they make me laugh, I mean the ones who are openly very gay, they talk that way and walk that way and dress that way ...

I suppose in most cases you can't tell, whether a person is gay or not.

Queers or Gay or Homosexual, they all mean the same thing and none of those words are derogatory, but there are many words used in society, which are derogatory, towards minority groups ...

That is except for the word 'Fat' because in society it is still acceptable to abuse somebody for being overweight, with the most vile of insults, which surely is an 'hate crime' but you are saying walter, that you cannot call an homosexual person a 'Queer' but society would let you call that same person a 'Fat B*stard' and that would be acceptable

Posted by: taguantar (inactive) Report abuse
sir bob, what walter said to you wasn't nice, the rantings of a man with nothing to say, in fact,since he first posted yesterday,looking forward to some action, he's said nearly nothing on the subject in hand, only posted nonsense and insults

Posted by: baker boy (14994) Report abuse
I don't mind what gay folk get up to behind closed doors ,just don't want it rammed in my face,these folk are beginning to think their special cases ,they aint.
why do they think i'm gay I can do what I like.

Posted by: walter (7025) Report abuse
taquantar :

"sir bob, what walter said to you wasn't nice, the rantings of a man with nothing to say, in fact,since he first posted yesterday,looking forward to some action, he's said nearly nothing on the subject in hand, only posted nonsense and insults"

Not sure how you deduce that I have nothing to say on this topic ?

I have stated my case for tolerance and equality ,criticised others for stupidity
If you'd like me to cut n paste partisan rubbish from newspapers or rant like the homophobe gang please let me know

Posted by: barflag7 (1865) Report abuse
Ivory horse.

Posted by: walter (7025) Report abuse
I honestly have no idea what Ivory Horse means ?

Posted by: taguantar (inactive) Report abuse
Walter, I did say since you came on yesterday, you had plenty to say before that, but kameras makes the correct point, if we are bigots, then so are you

Posted by: poppy (437) Report abuse
I see nothing but good coming out of same sex couples adopting a child. It's much better for child to be in a
loving home than in a Children's home with no-one to love or make them feel special.

Posted by: baker boy (14994) Report abuse
poppy
childrens homes should be loving homes ,if they aint sack the lot of em.

Posted by: taguantar (inactive) Report abuse
Absolutely

Posted by: mick-dorset (3062) Report abuse
d. cottrial, let me point out some FACTS for you, i'd be interested to hear your opinion as someone in their 20's,

1) craig faunch and ian wathey, the first 'gay couple' allowed to foster kids, 'they're gay not paedophiles' was the clarion call from west midlands social services, yet both were later jailed for sexually abusing the boys in their care (and social services were slammed by the judge for trying to cover it up)
2)james rennie chair of lgbt scotland, also the ringleader of scotlands largest ever paedophile ring
3) peter tatchell gay rights campaigner who led a campaign to lower the age limit to 14
4)tom o'carroll, leader of the paedophile information exchange, who also had a seat on the 'gay rights' committee of the national council for civil liberty's (and don't forget his status as a paedophile was never hidden )

whilst not all homosexuals are paedophiles, statistics show that while they make up less than 6% of the population they are responsible for 1/3 of sex offences against young boys, isn't that 'disproportionate' doesn't that make them a high offender risk?

Posted by: jathbee (9570) Report abuse
But it doesn't make them all paedophiles. You can't punish all for the sins of the few. Paedophiles always put themselves in positions were they have access to children and that includes many who are not gay. How many who are not gay have slipped through the net, many.

Posted by: barflag7 (1865) Report abuse
Well that's progress.

Posted by: mick-dorset (3062) Report abuse
jathbee, who said they are ALL paedophiles ? going back our old 'friend' darren produced a set of stats showing that one particular race made up only 7% of the population, and he produced another set of stats showing that people of that race made up the second highest rate of child sex offenders at 28% of offences, so how does that work out? is that not 'disproportionate' as they say? or are the police being 'institutionally racist' as the left would have us believe ?

Posted by: d_cottriall (68) Report abuse
In 2012/13 English councils launched 127,060 high-level investigations - known as section 47s - into children thought to be at risk, analysis of official figures shows.

That is the equivalent of one in 100 of the country's entire population of under-18s and represents a 42.3% increase in cases since 2009/10.

In some areas the figure is much higher with the equivalent of 4.5% of children in Blackpool, 2.6% in Doncaster and 2.1% in Peterborough being investigated.

Experts said the significant increase in suspected abuse cases could be explained by the heightened awareness of the issue following the tragic case of Baby Peter Connelly in 2008.

However, they also said the impact of the recession on households had led to a marked rise in ill treatment of children.

The figures follow a series of high-profile cases of child abuse including that of four-year-old Daniel Pelka who was starved, tortured and brutally beaten to death by his mother and stepfather.

Dosent matter if your gay or straight there will always be sick people out there who wish to do children harm. My earlier comments where my opinion of gay adoption and i can accept and understand other peoples opinions why gay couples shouldnt adopt. What i cant stand is blatant homophobia for the sake of it which certain people felt the need to hijack this post with.

Posted by: mick-dorset (3062) Report abuse
thanks for the reply, but i think you have dodged the question, i'm not one for political correctness - it supresses the truth for starters, we hear all too regularly (especially on here) people being labelled with words ending in 'ist' or 'o'phobic' by some other people who don't agree with what is being said , taking race or sexuality out of the equation, i have no time for jimmy saville, gary glitter or michael jackson so by definition does that make me paedophile-o'phobic ?there always has to be a balance and denying something that is a proven fact just to be politically correct does nobody any favours

Posted by: taguantar (inactive) Report abuse
You rage and stamp your feet lad, someone may pay heed

Posted by: d_cottriall (68) Report abuse
As i said there will always be people who want to do children harm. I have gay friends who have adopted both male couples and female couples and the children in there care are happy and well looked after, one couple has a child that is 14 that they adopted a few yrs ago and understands everything that is going on and she has two mums and everyone else has one. She has had a lot of abuse at school just because her mums care about her
So much to give her a loving home. If you put the percentage of child abuse cases caused by straigh people against the population you could look at it that straight adults are also a risk to children. In my opinion and thats what it is MY opinion the people i know would never harm a child but thats not to say some gay Couples wouldn't just like some straight couples. There is a hell of a lot of sick people out there and its up to the people in child services to make sure a potential foster or adoptive parent has the childs best intetests at hart.

Posted by: mick-dorset (3062) Report abuse
i understand what you say, but how do you justify west midlands social services sweeping a case of abuse by the very first 2 allowed to foster kids, under the carpet in order not to jeopardise their politically correct pet project? you can say from the evidence that at least 1/3rd of homosexuals are paedophiles as well, which is disturbing when they only make up less than 6% of the poplulation

Posted by: taguantar (inactive) Report abuse
d please understand that there are people who will never accept this for their own reasons, and you can go on about it 'til the cows come home, and another thing, you banging on about it, dismissing other people's views, makes you a bigot, look go try imposing your views in Regent's Park mosque, because I, for one, have heard enough from you

Posted by: jathbee (9570) Report abuse
Mick Dorset. Stats mean bugger all. They are easily manipulated.

Posted by: d_cottriall (68) Report abuse
I have no idea why they did that probably because they rushed into it and didnt do the correct checks they should have and didnt want the media attention of there balls up. also no one knows the percentage of gay people in the uk its on no census all figures are estimates.

Taguanter i did say i accept other people views who thonk gay couples shouldn't adopt in a recent post so im not dismising other peoples views at all you dont need to read my replys if it is anoying you so much. They are my opinions just like you have yours, i think i am right you think you are right thats why people have opinions on things. Iv said my point. The only reason i replyed to the last few comments where because they where directed directly at me and it was a sensible question which wasent homophobic unlike others. Dont come on hear that often and just happened to see this post which was totaly one sided so thats why i put my views across. Said enuf on the matter now.

Posted by: taguantar (inactive) Report abuse
jathbee, have the pro sodomy brigade not used any stats on this thread?

Posted by: jathbee (9570) Report abuse
Taggy, I know bugger all about sodomy, so up yours.

Posted by: taguantar (inactive) Report abuse
Very good, I like it!
d. I think we all hope so

Posted by: sir bob (7084)  Report abuse
Starting in a couple of minutes on ITV1 'The Unforgetable Larry Grayson'



http://www.radiotimes.com/the-unforgettable-larry-grayson

Posted by: mand1 (140) Report abuse
Going off the subject a little, how would you feel if any of your own children/grandchildren came home and announced they were gay?

Posted by: sir bob (7084)  Report abuse
mand1

Personally speaking, it wouldn't bother me in the slightest and I mean that, but I think you should be able to have a light hearted attitude to such things in life

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifUQq5p5i2g

Posted by: mand1 (140) Report abuse
Funny, I have seen it before. Oh and by the way, the question I posted wasn't directed at you personally, it was in general.

Posted by: veg grower (inactive) Report abuse
I think the treatment of D Cottriall on this thread has been appalling.

I have a sister who is gay and she plays an influential role in the life of her girlfriend's daughter - they have a fantastic relationship. Having said that, I do not think that social services should be placing foster children in the care of homosexual couples, nor do I think they should be allowed to adopt - and that is just my own personal opinion.

The reason there are so many children waiting to be fostered or adopted is because people are allowed to be so picky - they want this or that but not the other, they want a perfect child that fits their rose-tinted view of children and their idea of the perfect family - they don't question whether they are suitable for the child - it is the same with IVF which couples demand on the NHS - their right to a child, never giving a thought to the rights of the child yet to be born - and whether they would make suitable parents for the unborn child.

Adopton agencies are also far too choosy when selecting would be parents, citing smoking and obesity as reasons not to let them foster or adopt - instead preferring to place a child with a thin, gay couple in order to tick a few boxes and appease the suits in Brussels. My father was seriously overweight for all his adult life, drank like a fish and smoked like a chimney, but he raised 5 brilliant kids, none of whom smoke BTW.

I know of a white couple who were never able to conceive and in the 1960's they applied to adopt and were given a black baby - however they gave the baby back as she couldn't deal with it - not sure if it was the colour, but anyhow there was less choice then, and also the authorities were a lot less choosy and just very keen to place youngsters with childless married couples.

I have read several cases where gay couples (men) have fostered/adopted young boys and have gone on to abuse the boys placed in their care - what I find ridiculous is the shock feigned by Social Services when the cases have come to court. That is not to say I believe all gay men would behave in such a way.

Posted by: taguantar (inactive) Report abuse
(Comment removed because it broke the rules)

Posted by: walter (7025) Report abuse
"the boy's a bigoted sodomite"

You have problems mate

Posted by: taguantar (inactive) Report abuse
I was talking to vg, walter, and I can assure you that I have no problems whatsoever

Posted by: barflag7 (1865) Report abuse
A lot of what Veg said has common sense. She agrees that homosexual fostering and adoption has risks. Her sister's situation seems safe. I would accept that. Maybe the problem is men. Males who are either single or in same sex relationships shouldn't adopt in most cases. Because they don't have the moderating influences of women in their lives. Single people can adopt but I don't think regular men should be adopting girls and I don't think homo men should adopt boys. Exceptions might include when a long term common law partnership sees the woman die and her daughter has no one and sees the man as her dad. A little flexibility is in order.

So why do I see lesbians and homosexuals differently here? Partly because the latter, being men I see as more sexually aggressive. And my personal experience verifies that. And of course as an enlightened renaissance man and reformer, I have a soft spot for fallen women. (Just kidding.)

As far as the treatment of Mr Coatrail goes, I think he brought it on to himself as tag points out.

Posted by: barflag7 (1865) Report abuse
Walter seems to think a homosexual can't be bigoted, that the peculiarity seems to miraculously create a level of perfection unobtainable in the general population. Or he practices the discrimination of diminished expectations.

Posted by: veg grower (inactive) Report abuse
Taguantar @ 14.10 - "the boy's a bigoted sodomite"

....I would be interested to know who the moderators are on Wigan World because that ^^^^^^ is not on!

Posted by: taguantar (inactive) Report abuse
Well, veg, he wants the likes of pastry and me dead, so I wonder how that lies with them also,as for my comment, the boy certainly appears to be homosexual, and he is clearly a bigot, he wont accept a word anyone else says, so what else am I allowed to call him???,

Posted by: walter (7025) Report abuse
"the boy CERTAINLY appears to be homosexual"

How on earth do you arrive at that conclusion ?

And if he is,who cares ?,his views are as valid as anyone else

Posted by: tonker (20100)   Report abuse
Call him a Pooftah!

Posted by: taguantar (inactive) Report abuse
walter, the third line of your post is the clincher; if he is a practising homosexual, then he indulges in sodomy, does he not?, yes, he does. It's already been decided that you and he are the worst bigots on this board. Therefore, the boy is, sin duda, a bigoted sodomite. And you, walter are, as you even described yourself are a "simple" man, I'll go along with that

Posted by: walter (7025) Report abuse
I hope we get to meet in person one day
It will be very pleasant,we'll have a good chat

Posted by: walter (7025) Report abuse
" It's already been decided that you and he are the worst bigots on this board. "

By the Brain Trust I assume ?

Posted by: taguantar (inactive) Report abuse
Doubt it walt, bye

Posted by: taguantar (inactive) Report abuse
last word to veg, any criticism from you, I would normally take on board, but you haven't looked at this one properly

Posted by: walter (7025) Report abuse
" Doubt it walt, bye "

A pity,I think we would have got on famously and you could possibly have converted me to a homophobic bigot, pity, your loss.

Posted by: taguantar (inactive) Report abuse
doubt it walt, bye

Posted by: tonker (20100)   Report abuse
Fancy a Bum?

Posted by: firefox (156) Report abuse
we are all born different. My Brother told me he was gay in 1976, he was 13. I took a few kickings, but got up again to protect him. I have been to two Manchester pride rallies, and two Wigan pride rallies to support him.

Both my marriages have failed, his one has lasted 20 + years. I am proud of my Brother.I can only hope he is as proud of me.

Posted by: John59 (453)   Report abuse
now you've all got that off your chests maybe a community singsong is in order, but remember you don't have to be gay to sing the chorus, but it helps :-)

Posted by: derek (379)   Report abuse
Something is going badly wrong in this country. I don't have a problem with gays per say BUT children are not items to be GIVEN away, I couldn't care less about the feelings of gays who want a child the only consideration should be the child and to place a child with two people of the same sex is wrong. I was at school with a kid who was brought up without a male in the house and he was bullied shamefully by the other kids ( not by me I might add )and he ended up extremely withdrawn. I recently emailed my MP to complain about a TV program called KIDS IN DRAG and she replied basically saying it was fine. Sorry but I cant get my head around this.

 
 
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