He is one sad piece of cr@p.After today,s twitter business
anyone who votes for this mon is either a bigot themselves or an idiot.

what has he allegedly done now?

He should have been removed a long time ago.

He's not ALLEGEDLY done anything.
He HAS posted on twitter the address of the gay couple who were awarded damages from the christian hotel owner who refused them a room on grounds of their sexuality,and has called for a gathering at the said address to protest at the judgement.
When challenged by the press he said his only regret was not tweeting the judges address as well.

He has done enough to warrant his removal from office. Time he was replaced.

Twitter have banned him,not much but it's a start.

It was not a hotel it was a B+B in their own house. I hate the BNP but I think if you choose not to let someone stay, it is up to you. I certainly would not like the thought of two homosexual men staying in my house, so why should they be awarded damages. Call me all you like but that is how I feel

Am suggesting his past indiscretions should have made him unworthy of leading any party. Never mind recent events

You are missing the point rio
What right has Griffin to publish the couples address and call for them to be harassed in their own home.

He shouldn't have posted the addresses but aside from that I agree with Rio. I know it isn't illegal and whilst I am very tolerant I wouldn't like to think they were in my home. Do gooders and Bible Thumpers please do not reply. My thoughts are my thoughts.

broady what if it were two stunning lesbians that wanted to cavort in your front room

is publishing their address illegal? is it any different from the local press reporting 'joe bloggs of smith street in the town' ? the b&b owners have a policy in place which states they will only rent double rooms to married couples, therefore they not only don't accommodate gays in double rooms they also do not accommodate unmarried heterosexual couples in them either, so the reality is they are not being treated unfairly because of their sexuality. if you choose to do business with a company don't you have to accept their trading terms and conditions?

I have to agree that he wasn't that wrong! The address was in the public domain anyway and the judgement was a joke!

The couple that own the b and b would let them stay but not in a double bed, the same as they do with unmarried couples. The judge accepted this but then ignored it wasn't homophobic!

I don't agree with much that bigot says but I do with this!

I agree. Should be allowed to choose who you allow to stay in your home.

The whole sexual orientations legislation is a complete farce anyway, - the way it is worded, you are not allowed to refuse service to somebody because of their sexual orientation, which on the face of it doesn't sound too bad, but if you are running a family orientated pub or other family orientated business and somebody you know to be a convicted paedophile - (such as gary glitter etc) walks in, then according to this legislation you would be breaking the law if you refuse to serve him because of his vile sexual orientation. is that the 'good thing' that the politicians would have us believe it is?

KD,

Please, please don't change the subject.

Are we on about the same Nick Griffin who dabbled in homosexual practices himself? One of his own party members said they had be at it for ages some years ago. The man and his ideology are rotten to the core. Shoot the one eyed tosser in the temple with a large bore gun.

I think the difference is that paedophilia is illegal homosexuality is not.
People should stop judging others and take more notice of their own behaviour. I will never understand why people are obsessed with what consenting adults do in private.

Stel, I think the problem is that you are dictated to that you MUST allow groups of people into your home, whether you agree with it or not. Such as the police, for example.

Ditto,joseph 1.

Well the man makes my flesh creep, Dave.

PS. I use the term "man" in the loosest possible sense.

@MDorset.

Your support for your leader is expected but why do you feel it is necessary to compare homosexuality with paedophilia.
If Gary Glitter etc...

Only people of your wing do this. It's ridiculous!

There's a lot of things i don't like such as being told where i can and can't smoke, drink etc. If i had B&B there are more things that i would be annoyed about than what someone does in bed

As for the police, y'know you don't have to allow them in without a warrant

Jamse. griffin is not my leader at all, and i am not associating homosexuals with paedophiles, I am pointing out how badly worded the legislation is. we all know the 'sexual orientation' of perverts like glitter, but is it right they be given special protection under the law?

You know, like I know that the legislation does not mean you have to allow paedophiles in to your home or establishment.

There's always one who, at the mention of homosexuality has to bring it up.

jamse :- Discrimination on grounds of sexual orientation3.—(1) For the purposes of these Regulations, a person (“A”) discriminates against another (“B”) if, on grounds of the sexual orientation of B or any other person except A, A treats B less favourably than he treats or would treat others (in cases where there is no material difference in the relevant circumstances).
this is taken from :- The Equality Act (Sexual Orientation) Regulations 2007

therefore if glitter or anyone of his ilk come onto your premises you cannot refuse to serve them because of their vile sexual orientation

You're just crazy thinking the two things can be equated like that.

I am not going to take the time to describe why the two are not the same. Go and look it up somewhere.

I'd take the side of the business owner. So how many people showed up the complainers' home to demonstrate?

Lets not change the subject to your own warped political agenda, Mick. This is about Nick Griffin and how innapropriate his actions are. With the type of person the BNP attracts, it is dangerous to incite such actions, as it only takes one to take his orders to far, and vandalise, or resort to violence toward this elderly couple.

Subjects go off topic very easily on here when a valid argument can't be made.

Never thought I would say it, but I agree with section8.... Nick the plonker is bang out of order in my opinion.... but I dont believe it should have been taken this far really.... I think folk should be allowed to say they don't want gays... as a matter of preference rather than discrimination ... much the same as no dogs... or no children...

.... or no gingers!

well that would be me... and probably a wise decision

Our society claims to be inclusive but this is mandated so how can we be sure? One way would be to abandon these types of laws. At one time maybe they were needed but in the recent past and forseeable future the economy will punish people who eliminate part of their prospective market through discrimination unless they have a good reason. Freedom should include the right to be wrong. I would avoid businesses that discriminate on the basis of race and so would likely 80% of the population. But I would support this couples' decision with my business and possibly so would others. Why would they want to do business with and enrich people who disapprove of them? Or do they just want to have the government squash resistance to their agenda?

Why not rescind these laws? Essentially take off the training wheels and see how far society has advanced. You may be surprised.

I dont have any issue with a person being gay, what I do have an issue with is that a judge can say that a christian who does have issues with a peron bing gay should bow to the gay persons will.
The whole discrimination thing has gone to far and the gay people should keep there sexuality to themselves not broadcast it to the world.
I know a close reletive of my wife is gay but he dont go round telling every man and his god that he is.

The Equality one may come from Brussels, so I believe.

It is a sorry state of affairs when anyone associates being gay with being a paedophile.

It certainly is.
One should be able to say i don't want you staying here you seem to be an uneducated narrow minded bigot
And in the case of Nick Griffin ,a damned ugly one too

Not many pretty people in politics.

Eva ,very understandable post!

Have you put the stabilisers on the bike,better for posting on the move like

Fossil, would you care to explain that post?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Not as bright as she /he makes out, eh fossil

kryten, infinitely brighter than you I imagine. I would like him to be quite specific to avoid any back tracking later on

Sue "much the same as no dogs... or no children"

Thanks for agreeing with me. I think thats twice in as many years, but i think like others, your missing the point. There are rational reasons behind, no dogs or no children. Alergies, hair, noisy, rowdiness, and damage. These people are adults who are able to act, and use the hotel etc, just like any other adult. It's not a case of damage, noise etc just a xenophobic attitude. Surely all law abiding adults should have the freedom to stay in any hotel or B & B without having to worry about whether they'll be let in or not.

"kryten, infinitely brighter than you". Ha ha ha ha .
I've read some of your posts.

After repeated posts EVA which were difficult to comprehend you gave the following excuse
'Fossil, you get the point! Difficult typing on the go! I will repeat for your benefit seeing as you are ignoring the question.'

get it

another erosion of free speech.the christian family have been hounded as bigots when what they believe in as been denied to them .my advice go to the european court of human rights as their beliefs have been walked all over

You-hoo what? It's Europe's equalities ideas that's seen this case actually be carried out!

I have no problem with Christians. What i have a problem with is when the bible is used whenever it suits.

I thought the bible's message was "Judge not lest ye be judged" Let he without sin cast the first stone.
It doesn't stop them though does it. You can't cherry pick bits out of it that suits. But most do

kryten, and yet I stand by my post. Infinitely brighter than you.

Agree stel48.

It does seem that a lot of christians were brought up never having read the bible and have just been fed the "nice" parts.

Fossil, maybe I was crediting you with more intelligence than you deserve as I thought you had an underlying message. It would seem not or perhpas you haven't the bottle to confirm it

Of course being an MEP Griffins address is in the public domain,so just in case anyone is interested...




Nick Griffin Esq MEP
Y Gribin,
Llanerfyl,
Y Trallwng Welshpool
SY21 0JQ
01938 820560

eva,
I explained and copy and pasted the content relevant and the answer to your question!
The crap you spout on here on a regular and unintelligible basis,needs to be backed up by remembering what you post

Fossil, perhaps you should look at your own 'crap' before commenting on other posts.

I know what I posted, I explained the reason for the mistakes. I merely thought you had an underlying message which you were afraid to make clear. Perhpas I was crediting you with too much intelligence, which wouldn't be difficult to be honest.

What another pile of crap!

Perhpas you are starting to attempt to take sips

I'm not going to read all the comments in this thread but I'll just say anyone who supports this creature is a nob.

Or his party...

bennielechat, there must be a lot of nobs in this town then, because griffin got the majority of his votes that saw him elected as an m.e.p here in wigan.

ena1958 (

It is a sorry state of affairs when anyone associates being gay with being a paedophile.

who is associating the two? I merely pointed out the flaw in the legislation which means that you can't refuse to do business with paedophiles because of their vile sexual orientation either

You are...

Look at the language you use even in the question of your last post. I don't think you know you're doing it.

jamse you have a vivid imagination

barflag, i agree

barflag, I don't think he has a vivid imagination it's how it comes across.

hindleyite whats wrong in giving out peoples names and addresses ,mine is in the book,and if you can decipher baker boy's address i will make you a cuppa.mind you that does not include acs,art, sledge,sectioned and ena.

do gay people have superior rights to christians,its gone too far.if i had been them i would have done the same and i would not have paid them a clucking penny.

For one thing it's against the rules on twitter,so he has been thrown off,also his comments where threatening and liable to lead to a breatch of the piece.

One thing to give out an address but quite another to stage a demonstration outside the house.

@barflag
I like to think I do have a vivid imagination but it would take only the dullest of intellects not to read MD's post as I did... and I see I am not the only one.

@bb
Imagine if "acs,art, sledge,sectioned and ena" had a demo outside yours.

He would have us locked up in the blink of an eye!

"do gay people have superior rights to christians,its gone too far.if i had been them i would have done the same and i would not have paid them a clucking penny."

I wasn't aware that christians had been refused admission to a B&B because of their beliefs.

Mind you, you can't be going on holidays when there are people to judge can you

"if you can decipher baker boy's address i will make you a cuppa.mind you that does not include acs,art, sledge,sectioned and ena."

Shucks, missed out there.

so it's ok for the address of the christian couple to be made public but not the address of the two lowlifes?

Who are the low lifes you refer to?

I think it's quite obvious who Anthony means. I also think they're opportunists too. What damage has been caused by the hotelier? Certainly not £6000 worth.

the two greedy b*stards that won't respect other peoples beliefs.

It would be interesting to see if they would try the same racket with a muslim BB owner

"Lowlifes" ?
What/who do mean? The gay couple?

Plus putting out the address of a B&B is considered good business.

"the two greedy b*stards that won't respect other peoples beliefs."

Oh the christian couple then.

I will repeat

It would be interesting to see if they would try the same racket with a muslim BB owner

no answer?

I have not got a clue what the question is

it's simple

there would be no case

jamse (2028)

One thing to give out an address but quite another to stage a demonstration outside the house.

a little thing called the right to peaceful protest springs to mind - i know it's probably something you don't agree with , but it is enshrined in law under the human rights act

However surely the argument here was why are people obsessed with what others do/or not do in bed. I would argue it says more about the minds of the christian couple. Such filthy minds tut tut.
But seriously why does anyone care

that I'd like to see.
a demonstration outside a muslim BB
but we all know they wouldn't
Dare
the Christians are an easy target

stel
I would argue it says more about the minds of the christian couple. Such filthy minds tut tut.

it would be forbidden in a muslim BB

are you also saying that Muslims have filthy minds?

stel48, I couldn't agree more. Why does anyone care. I'm interested to know if they ask everyone's sexuality on arrival or do they just presume?

I've always wondered that Ena. I mean do they give out questionaires.
Anthony i'm saying there is something fundamentally wrong with anyone who is so interested in what someone else does in bed. I couldn't care less about what religion they hide behind

I'm still waiting to see if stel thinks musims have filthy minds

The demo was going to be outside the couples house and not the b&b.

@MD
Again you seem to get things wrong. You can't just hold a demo outside someones house. That's intimidation.

@antony
You make an assumption about the whole of islam who might own a b&b and then on the back of that you make the statement that no-one would stop over at their b&b.
So this means that no gay couple ahs ever stopped at a muslim held b&b.

If that's the best you can come up with I'd let it drop.
Also what's this racket you mention above. Do you think that it was a stunt pulled by the gay couple for money?

Anthony please read above i don't care what religion people hide behind Christian, muslim, buddhism, it s all the same to me.I don 't judge and i expect others not to

I would like to re-iterate, when you do business with somebody, you have to abide by their terms and conditions,this couples policy is not to provide a double bed to anybody who is not married ( the current legal definition of marriage is the union of one man with one woman) so how have they 'discriminated against this 'couple' - they aren't married and they have been treated no differently to a heterosexual couple who aren't married either. at the end of the day if you don't like the terms and conditions then you don't do business with them -it's your choice

So you are anti-gay then Mick? Obviously.

You mean they ask for a marriage certificate for any couple who stay. I have been in bed and breakfasts with friends of the same sex and oh my god shared a bed to save money

I wonder what people thought. The again i couldn't care less and we were not asked. I would have smacked them in the mouth if they had for gross invasion of my privacy

It should be no-ones business what couples do in bed whatever their religion. A B&B establishment should not be setting up to judge the sexual behaviour of its clients.

[@antony
You make an assumption about the whole of islam who might own a b&b and then on the back of that you make the statement that no-one would stop over at their b&b.
So this means that no gay couple ahs ever stopped at a muslim held b&b.

I am not assuming anything of the kind, and you know it.

but I know things would be very very different if a Muslim BB owner refused them on grounds of their beleifs.

and I know they wouldn't dare to stage a demo outside either their home or BB

so if that's the best you can do I'd drop it

Exactly Ena. If you cannot accept people as they are then perhaps working with the public should not be for them. Good grief are we to be asked in pubs,clubs,cafes,restaraunts etc what we do in bed and with who

Ant, you seem to have had the idea that they purposely booked into the B&B to be turned away, and make a claim.

"that I'd like to see.
a demonstration outside a muslim BB"

Why. This has nothing to do with Muslims. There are a load of anti muslim threads on the go on politics, if your wishing to discuss them.

What do think of Nick Griffins actions, Ant?

but I still want to here stel level the same insult against a muslim as she did against a christian.

so I'll ask again given that muslims have basically the same beleifs about maraige and homosexuality.

do muslims also have filthy minds?

anthony, what point are you trying to make? Surely whoever ran a B&B they have no right to assume, ask or judge someone about their sexuality.

There are a load of anti muslim threads on the go on politics, if your wishing to discuss them.

and the anti muslim post is where?

Anthony you appear to be struggling here so i will make it clear as i can.
I don't know if muslims have filthy minds as i don't know them all. Religion is all the same to me i would apply the same argument to whichever religious group preached the same nonsense. I don't know what beliefs muslims have as i am not interested. This is about peoples right to be what they want. I know its the in thing now to throw in muslim arguments about absolutely everything but i am not interested in religions. To me its not about religion its about how people like to quote it when it suits
Live and let live

Loads of them on the politics threads, Ant.

stel48, just seen your post at 22.46 and it's so true. We travel as a group of friends quite often and indeed sometimes share a bed! It's even been known for three of us to share a room with two double beds! What would have been made of that I wonder? I suspect a lot of hotels and B7B's would be under occupied if they all took this view.

I'll run with that stel.

anthony, what point are you trying to make? Surely whoever ran a B&B they have no right to assume, ask or judge someone about their sexuality.

A doctor can refuse you treatment and strike you off without a reason,
a landlord in a pub can refuse to serve you without giving a reason
a solicitor can refuse to represent you without a reason
a retailer can refuse to serve you without a reason

but any tom dick or harry can come and bunk in your home and you have to let them?

I thought the reason was because they were gay?

I thought the reason was they weren't married.

but as above they shouldn't have to give a reason

Why are we going with this "bunk in your home " line.

Nobody can just turn up to my house and expect kip here.
That's just a daft argument.

B&Bs obviously exist under different rules.

then jamse, go into your local and demand to be served or else

I think the couple are hiding behind the not married lark. If a couple turned up who had been together for years are you seriously telling me they would refuse to let them share a double bed?

They are definitely in the wrong business. It has nothing to do with Christianity it is about being judgemental.

That, in short, has nothing at all to do with what I just said.

anthony, you are talking rubbish.

but if any other business can refuse to serve aren't they being jugmental?

isn't it more important to have the right not to serve if they are going to have access to you business/home at night, particularly if you happen to have children>

antony siad ..."particularly if you happen to have children"...

Enough said. He has the same opinions as the man above.

you have no idea of my opinions

jamse, it's not a case of being anti-gay, - what consenting adults do in the privacy of their own home is up to them, it's funny how all this supposed 'equality' works though, if joe bloggs is walking home from the pub and gets attacked for no reason, all he gets is a crime number and quarter of a paragraph in the local press, but when fred smith who happens to be gay is attacked in the same circumstances, there is a full blown investigation and 2 full pages in the local press - where is the 'equality' in that? - very very similar crimes but treated totally differently, why? in the scenario i have given there is no difference in the crime so why should they be treated differently?

jamse is assuming I'm anti gay, he has no idea, at no point have I implied anything of the sort.
he uses assumption instead of reason.
the right to refuse strangers entry to your home is more important than the right to refuse to serve someone in any other business

mick I think you hit the nail on the head when you mention the press. The crime is the same, but media hype is different. It sells papers. The daily rags have a lot to answer for.

anthony1 said" right to refuse strangers entry to your home"

Its a business not just a home.
I think the point you are NOT getting is that they refused them for prejudiced reasons.

If a pub refused to serve you for prejudiced reasons then they would be open to the same criticism.
Its about prejudice.

Definition of prejudice
noun
[mass noun]
1preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience:
English prejudice against foreigners

If a pub refused to serve you for prejudiced reasons then they would be open to the same criticism.
Its about prejudice.

A publican doesn't have to give a reason

Some are saying what difference does it make what someone does in bed? Maybe this woman had a good reason to care. For starters she probably does the laundry herself.

barflag, unbelievable.

Barflag.

dear ned, it's not just the media hype, it's the way the police pull out all the stops to investigate it and find the perpetrators, it is in essence the same crime -(or same type anyway) but because the victim in one case is 'gay' it is treated totally differently- should that be acceptable ? is it really treating everybody the same as they would have us believe?

Were the police involved, Mick?

tom, yes, if you read my post the first victim (the straight lad) was given a crime number (and never heard anything else after that)

I'm on about the hotel case.

Lol Tom. Micks always talking about something HE wants to talk about, and not the subject in hand. Always has a hidden agenda in what he's typing. Not once has he said Griffin is an idiot etc for his actions, instead he defends him. BNP through and through.

I hope he stays as BNP leader because someone with a bit more intelligence/charm maybe able to gain more support by exploiting the fears and ignorance of others.

Mick, I think the police investigate more thoroughly if they think there is prejudice involved in the crime. In my opinion rightly so.
In this case there clearly was.