Worsley Hall

Hi guys, looking for some help here,just been to a tenants and residents meeting and we have decided to try and make a history of Worsley Hall with the young interviewing the old.
The help i need is apparently there was an actual Worsley Hall that was pulled down 1920ish, does anyone know anything about this, or anything else that may be useful,
thanks in advance
Karen

Hi Karen, Been trying to look into this myself, all i can find out is that the estate was built around 1935! and the only hall locally that i've been able to get info about was the actual 'Norley' Hall which was on Norley Road.

Nowt much on the net about Worsley Hall, unless it's the one in Manchester!

Am sure there was one? Will have a map shufty

Also, apparently Plane Ave field is on a 1908 map as being Norley Quarry???! (even though Norley Quarry is Kitt Green way) I think Plane Ave field was slag heaps? There's no sign of any 'Worsley Hall' on the map i had either (kid's ripped the map though )

thanks, worsley hall was a quarry apparentley which is why the cafe is called Mortor Mill, Twig been trying get hold of you when are you coming my mother and toddler???????? and are you not interested in joining tenants and residents???

I've not been feeling too well in the mornings recently, and only get back from taking eldest to school at around 9.45. have another bubs due in 6 days lol. Is it still on during summer hols? I'd be very interested in joining tenants and residents too. I'm just really shy

No need to be but i understand, it is on during the summer holidays and we have just arranged a very informal coffee afternoon at the cafe on the 29th july for tenants and residents 1- 3, i can meet you before hand if you like then you will know someone, we are all very friendly at both groups x

I believe the hall was on the rise where Plane Ave is, almost directly opposite another manor house Logwood House where the flats are now . . . I too will have a map session and see what I can find!

I do remember my mum saying about the spoil heaps on the field between Plane Ave and Scot lane . . .

Thanks Ian appreciate it

Well, the 1907 map shows Hall Worsley with a moat and gardens, it is to the south of Norley colliery (pit #5) and roughly where I said, though maybe more towards what is now Bramble and Heather Groves.

Ian have found it, Logwood House was near Laithwaite House, Worsley Hall is near to Robbing Lane Ends.

Karen if you go to this site

www.old-maps.co.uk and enter co-ordinates as follows

356300 and 405200 and then click the bottom icon on the right of the map you will get a full screen which shows the hall.

Hi Karen, Don't think i'll be able to make it to any meetings for a good few weeks yet. My newest addition is due on Monday but could be upto 10 days late I'll defo come once things have settled down though

Thanks everyone very interesting and appreciative.
twig i understand completely when you are ready give Bramble a ring on 201555 and ask for me or leave a msg and i will get in touch x

Will do


Local history should be taught in schools - atleast then people would respect the area!

I just scanned this:



will try yours now Danni

mine was 1849 Ian

So would the hall have been where the shops are now?

looking at the map there are 2 Norley Quarries? I'll let Ian decipher the area Twigs cos its not really known to me.

the bottom shops i think?

bottom of ridyard, or laithwaite, and who lived in the one in norley aroun 1411 and norley was a dear park?

I agree with twigs should do this stuff in schools

Also do you think there still old blueprints of these halls knocking round as it the closes thing im going to get to see them?

might be in the archives at Leigh or the history shop?

I agree with you both that local history should be taught in schools, if the youth of today was to know the history of the area that they live in the may just respect it a little bit more, thats what we are hoping to gain from this venture to get the young involved with the old and that way they may just realise a few things that are more important.

I don't think it was where the shops ( Mortar Mill) are, it seems to be more Heather Grove ish but I could be wrong!

Directly opposite is a path leading to Newtown colliery - this is what became known as the sewerage path and led to the white bridge over the canal and onto Frog Lane. So if you imagine standing where Pizza Hut is not, the hall would have been at about "11 0'clock" through logwood flats across and over to the end of PLane Ave, Bramble and Heather Grovers.

Looking at the map Danni there are two Norley Collieries! not quarries . . . Norley Quarry was at the end of Britannia Rd Marsh Green - a fair way away!


And it has to be said I DID used to teach Local history and geography in schools - especially in this area (Marsh green, Scot Lane, Pemberton) - I'm sure there's some ex-pupils here who tremble when they hear my name! lol

Are there any maps online showing a newly built Worsley Hall council estate?

I was never taught anything like this at school, nor did my hubby!

My eldest daughter (who is 6) already has a very keen interest in 'olden days' and we have taught her pretty much everything we know about Norley Quarry (which is near to a relative's house) and she also knows where Norley Hall used to be, and always points if we walk past!

Looking at the map Danni there are two Norley Collieries! not quarries . . . Norley Quarry was at the end of Britannia Rd Marsh Green - a fair way away!

ooops well it was late !

Shame there is nothing left to show of the estate's history

Twigs gotta go out but will have a look see if I can find anything for you later

Thanks Danni

The Mortar Mill is so called because that is where the builders yard was situated when they were building the estate, they mixed coal ash with sand and lime to produce the black mortar for the brickwork. Norley pit tip was between the top of Buchanan Road and Bramble Grove and there was a footpath along there that came out at Union Bridge on Ormskirk Road, I don't know if it is still there. Below is a link to a photo on the Wigan Album.
Norley Tip 1957

thats a good pic ayrefield , showin the old prefabs ,takes me back i used to play on norley tip .

this is from an old map early 1800 i think ,on this it is wordsley hall .

can email you a higher resolution pic if you want .

I would appreciate that Antar - cheers! Email on my blog

worsley hall land
belonged to a landowner from worsley (nr manchester)the earl of Ellsemere.the land that worley hall estate is built on was his, his estate at worsley is now a garden centre and in the cafe are some old drawings showing his house , all that is left is one of the lodges and the walled garden.interestingly the name of his gardener was mr. Ridyard, so i suppose that is how ridyard street got its name, also ellesmere road came from his name.

Really interesting Wilmar - always wondered about Ridyard! now if we can solve Bulteel...

Have to have a look at those pics!

Antar - many thanks!

Hello antar, that's me in the middle with the striped jersey with my brother to my left, we lived on Davidson Walk and the three girls are my cousins and they lived on Frazer Road. The photo was taken by my uncle who lived on Broom Road, I think he had just recently got back from doing his National Service.

The link below is to a website about the Medieval Norley Hall, though it does mention Worsley Hall, more importantly though it lists various books as sources of information. If these books are in the library then they could throw some light on the Medieval Worsley Hall also.

Link

An enlarged part of the map.

Karen I wish you luck it's a great concept, I know my brother would be involved if he was still here R.I.P.

woow wilmar where you find that info, so what stand in the halls old place now??

wilmar.according to your previous statement re earl of ellesmere,not only did he own worsley land ,according to our deeds on a underlease,honourable george henry charles commonly called viscount enfield m.p.and the right honourable mary louise countess of ellesmere.the year is 1thousand eight hundred and sixty three .not on worsley hall but only across road, it mention francis egerton , earl of ellesmere ,just seemed a coincident with ellesmere road

Hi Antar, could you pleasde e-mail me those pics pls its krn_grnr@yahoo.co.uk, many thanks

Samuel Hampson my Great Great Uncle was the last tenant of Worsley Hall Farm as it was last called. He inherited it off his Uncle William Hampson. The Hampsons were from Booths Town Manchester originally and ran farms all over Lancashire. My Great Great Grandfather Allen Hampson (Samuels father and Williams brother), lived in Laithwaite House on Worsley Hall Farm Estate. I have pictures of all of the above individuals and others connected to the land but none of the Hall itself? And I cant find any? Norley Hall seems to be the same - no photos?

Nightowl, have you thought of uploading your photos to the WW album? I'm sure they will be of great interest especially with the info you have posted on here.

Don't forget HAWKLEY HALL. When we were at St Joseph's Junior school in the 1950s there was a girl whose family lived in Hawkley Hall. I think her Christian name was Sylvia. Someone will correct me if I am wrong.

Marie
Was their name McCue ?
Vaguely I remember a boy in my class at Saint Josephs; Tom McCue. In the 1950s
He had a couple of sisters
Their farm was along Hawkley path, I went there a couple of times

jameson,swhere the last tenants at hawkley hall the path was tarmaced when the munitions depot was brought into use W2,the path is still called carr lane.

cordy, sorry I cant remember. Thanks Baker Boy

It looks to be behind the shops at Union Bridge