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Started by: surfer_tom (30) Report abuse
Boris Johnson is now a lame duck ,broke his party.broke his family.sacks every body who does not agree with him will he break up the UK ,

Posted by: baker boy (15217) Report abuse
take a pill tom and lie down, nowt will happen until our jeremy think's it ok to have an election, ropey old democrat that he is


Posted by: TerryW (2995) Report abuse
It's already broke and will stay broke now after the wishes of the people have been ignored and turned into a farce. No doubt we will live our lives being dictated to by the EU. Place is already full of undesirables from all over just waiting to take over by any means they feel necessary now nothing will be in place to stop more of them.

Posted by: Zanzibar Spangles (3883) Report abuse
how about this scenario

Ignore the Nonsense Reporting: Boris Johnson was Not Defeated, He Won Big Time

Numerous headlines globally suggest historic "defeats" of Boris Johnson by Remainers. Ignore those headlines.

Laughable Headline

The Guardian reports Cornered Boris Johnson Suffers Triple Commons Defeat.

These writers clearly cannot think. Take a look at what has transpired.

Just the Facts Maam

Johnson goaded 21 problematic Rebel Tories into voting against him. Those Tories have been removed from the party and will lose their seats in the next election. Good riddance.
Because of foolish Remainer actions, Johnson will no longer have to go through the charades of working out a deal with the EU.
Johnson's hands are effectively bound and he welcomes that! He will not have to work out a deal. Instead he can lay the blame on the EU and on the Remainers for removing the option to negotiate with the EU.
By removing the 21 rebels, Johnson won the support of Nigel Farage thereby allowing a coalition between the Brexit Party and the Tories minus the rebel problem makes.
The Remainers are hopelessly split. Corbyn wants a referendum or the right to work out a customs deal with the EU. The Liberal Democrats want to remain. Many Labour party members want Brexit.
Q & A on losing

Q. How the heck is that losing?

A. I think you know the answer.

House of Lords Charades

Supposedly, Johnson suffered a "triple defeat" today, using the word "defeat" loosely.

This charade moved to the House of Lords where a massive filibuster is taking place on a motion that will supposedly block a no deal brexit.

Ho. Hum.

Brexit Filibuster

For a discussion of the laughable nature of this effort, please see House of Lords Bogged Down on Brexit Filibuster Amendments.

What If the Filibuster Succeeds?

If the Filibuster succeeds, Johnson's next move may be to do nothing. He has the option of waiting to see the Remainers' next move.
Alternatively, Johnson may promise to abide by an election date before October 31. The problem with the alternate option is neither side trusts each other and there is no legal mechanism to ensure an election date.
What If the Filibuster Loses?

In this case, I 100% expect Johnson to do nothing.

The legislation will have passed but it is not legally binding until it has the Queen's Assent.

Recall that the Queen Will Suspend Parliament at Request of Boris Johnson.

Starting September 10, parliament will be out of session until October 14. Then Johnson can deliver the Queen's speech starting a new session.

Assumes the Bill Passes on September 5 or 6

September 6 is a Friday.

On Monday, September 9, Johnson is likely to make a statement to the effect that he needs legal advice on the bill. Guess what?

Parliament will be out of session until October 14.

Then What?

Instead of submitting the legislation to the Queen, I believe Johnson would give his Queen's Speech starting a new Parliamentary session. Perhaps Johnson delays a day or two on the Queen's Speech.

All pending legislation in progress dies on the vine.

The House of Lords charades has to start all over again.

But wait. It has to start all over again in the Commons first!

Pick a date for all this to happen. Whatever date you pick, it will be to the liking of Johnson or it won't happen.

Hello October 18

On October 18, it will be impossible to schedule an election in time to stop Brexit.

It will also be impossible for a motion of No Confidence to put an alternative government in place.

The default Brexit date is October 31.

Johnson can run out the clock if he can delay events until October 18.

One Remaining Issue

The only Remainers option would be to succeed a second time on a move in the House of Lords.

Perhaps Johnson and his team submits 500 or 5,000 amendments. Don't rule it out.

Should that fail, Johnson may just refuse to submit the legislation to the Queen.

Time's Up

Sorry Remainers, the time has expired.

Starting from the Top

Let's return to the beginning.

Johnson's move to prorogue parliament worked brilliantly. He got the exact response from the rebels that he wanted.

Johnson then removed the rebels. They are lost and gone forever.

Lies All Around

Johnson insists he not want an election.

What a joke. Of course Johnson wants an election. Corbyn is the one who does not want an election, at least not right now.

There are lies on all sides.

Everyone wants an election, but only conditionally.

Who is In Control?

Johnson has control of the conditions simply by refusing to submit the legislation to the Queen (assuming it ever gets out of the House of Lords) on time in the first place.

Enormous Mistake

Remainers made an enormous mistake believing they could stop Brexit.

Had they voted for Theresa May's pathetic deal, they would have gotten 85% of what they wanted.

Mike "Mish" Shedlock

Posted by: builderboy (2160) Report abuse
Let's hope that Boris reads it and acts accordingly.

Posted by: wigandiver (149) Report abuse
Zanzibar Spangles post is a straight cut and paste from:


This is what a former employee of the firm thought of them;


Low pay scale will fool you an additional "imaginary" performance bonus. The Teams are comprised of writers that are inexperient to the Financial Markets, they will fabricate a nice fancy headline for your experience. Most of the people on the teams are not trades, never traded before or have a concept of financial markets, yet they are "Editors" reporting the financial markets. Some will look and SMA's and report Show More

Advice to Management

You are a bunch of Journalists and Marketing dudes, trying to fool everybody by pretending that you are very knowledgeable about Financial Markets. Educate yourself, learn about markets, and go trade! In the process do some education on how to lead and motivate teams and above all pay accordingly!

Not exactly a ringing endorsement.

Posted by: TerryW (2995) Report abuse
"Zanzibar Spangles post is a straight cut and paste from:"

Is that not the reason he closed the post with "Mike "Mish" Shedlock"?

Posted by: fred mason (2816)   Report abuse
A game of chess is less complicated than our parliament.

Posted by: wigandiver (149) Report abuse
"Is that not the reason he closed the post with "Mike "Mish" Shedlock"?

No mention of the source though, and a very dubious one at that.

Plagiarism ?

Enjoy your weekend. We are off on a trip.
Relax: it's in the UK.

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (4223) Report abuse
Lame duck me arse,, he has taken on the whole lot of em, and is giving them a damn good shaking up, MPs who defy 3 line whips, should have the whip taken off them, and be thrown out of the party, and that is for all political parties, it is Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn who have let their MPs get away with murder .....

Yoo have got to have a boss, and the boss is the boss, and if folk don't like their boss, then their boss is probably doing their job right, and is being the boss.

And when Labour finally get rid of that tosser Corbyn, lets hope that the next leader of the Labour Party, is a proper boss, who gets his or her Party in order and keeps it in order

Posted by: whups (4340)   Report abuse
the worst pm in living memory who cant win a down at dominos . 1stroke cant even see he,s being used to force a general election by johnson who is using the right wing whingers vote of leave . 3 times he,s lost in the commons & dont forget that the torys have denied the people a general election since the EU vote in 2016 now suddenly their crying out for 1 . the worst & soon to be shortest PM in history.

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (4223) Report abuse

Posted by: baker boy (15217) Report abuse
jeremy corbyn wanted to have a general election so much he was fit to burst,then what happens.bliar tells all, you will get your arse kicked ,dont entertain an election until the polls get us ahead of the tories.

Posted by: Zanzibar Spangles (3883) Report abuse
My words are in red

Posted by: whups (4340)   Report abuse
you can had custard with yours 1stroke.

Posted by: wigandiver (149) Report abuse
My words are in red

Always good form to clearly credit a quote ZS.
You did not clearly do this.

"Mike "Mish" Shedlock"? was not mentioned as the author. He could be a shed security expert.

Good air show at Southport.

Posted by: Salmon & Ball (591)  Report abuse
It hurts me to type this.
In fact I'm crying as I type preferring Thatcher to anyone
I prefer Thatcher rather than Boris the Buffoon.
At least you knew what her intentions were!
Never voted tory in my life. And I never will.

Posted by: baker boy (15217) Report abuse
what a clucking surprise that statement was ,not.
your a laughable fellow darren.

Posted by: Zanzibar Spangles (3883) Report abuse
seems everyone else knew, except you

Posted by: wigandiver (149) Report abuse
seems everyone else knew, except you

Except that I was taught to credit correctly.

Posted by: Zanzibar Spangles (3883) Report abuse
Irrelevant to the matter at hand, please stay on topic

Posted by: wigandiver (149) Report abuse
Check you sources for credibility.

Yours seems to be sadly lacking in that department, so that is relevant to the topic.

Posted by: baker boy (15217) Report abuse
what is democratic in not carrying out the wishes of the people when they carry out their duty of voting for or against a request from westminster.the people who wont accept the will of the people should be buried at the next election.
that is my fervent hope.

Posted by: whups (4340)   Report abuse
what is democracy when you dont let 16-18 yrs a vote on their future ? .what is democracy when the people of little plumpton & fylde council voted no fracking & sajid javid overturned their supposedly democratic vote.


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