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It Was Fifty Years Ago Today...
Started by: jarvo (29177)  Report abuse

Posted by: raymyjamie (5746) Report abuse
Cracking album and the last to be released by The Beatles.
The recording of ‘Let It Be began in Jan 1969.
A single from the album comprising ‘Get Back’ and ‘Don’t Let Me Down’ was released in April 1969.
For various complex and personal issues, work was shelved and the band started work back at Abbey Road on a new album, the last one they ever recorded, and called ‘Abbey Road’.
There is a track on ‘Abbey Road’ called ‘The End’ which sums it all up really.
‘Abbey Road’ was released Sept 1969.
‘Let It Be’ was finally released in May 1970 together with a ‘fly-on-the-wall’ documentary film of the band in the recording studio.
‘Let It Be’ was The Beatles’ last album to be released.

Posted by: Wigan Rover (741) Report abuse
Thank you for remembering this anniversary Jarvo and good explanation from raymyjamie I bought a copy of the November 2003 CD " Let it be , Naked " the alternative stripped down version of the original album , the way the band had originally intended it to be , prior to Phil Spector's production . Sounds great too . There is a strong rumour that the Let it be Movie , may be re mastered this year , with loads of extra footage included .

Posted by: raymyjamie (5746) Report abuse
Thanks for that info WR, I’d never heard of that ‘stripped down’ version.
George Martin of course produced the album, but Phil Spector famously added his spin on the final production.
Will look out for the movie, I have some Christmas pressie money burning a hole in my pocket!!!!!! LOL

Posted by: jarvo (29177)  Report abuse

Posted by: raymyjamie (5746) Report abuse
I think this may be the film Wigan Rover mentioned earlier.
A interesting story, that The Beatles wanted to make a film of ‘Lord of the Rings’, and the irony is that Peter Jackson who ACTUALLY directed ‘Lord of the Rings’ is now making a film of The Beatles.

Peter Jackson’s new Beatles film

Posted by: beep54 (1012) Report abuse

Posted by: jarvo (29177)  Report abuse
Beep: Wolves doin' brill. Last night was magic. The place was rockin'.

Take care.

Posted by: Wigan Rover (741) Report abuse
I would thoroughly recommend a copy of the Let it be " Naked " CD raymyjamie , there is excellent reading material on it on Wikipedia concerning it's history and 11 tracks , if you get chance to look ? The CD also contains a " Fly on the wall " bonus disc , featuring 22 minutes of dialogue from the sessions . Thank you for the Peter Jackson article , very interesting ! I read about the possible re-make of the film in an interview with Macca in the National Press

Posted by: beep54 (1012) Report abuse
jarvo yes they are, wasn't very social at ours watching the game, The lad was working late at the Hozzy and couldn't get down so we three Hammers had to sit through the great performance with him.

Posted by: jarvo (29177)  Report abuse

Posted by: fossil (6665) Report abuse
My first proper job was as a young civil servant in the Post Office Telephones Liverpool headquarters in Derby House,Exchange buildings now Walker House, Exchange Flags at the rear of Liverpool Town Hall from 1959 to 1961.
A short walk and a lengthy lunch hour saw us watching the Beatles and Gerry and the Pacemakers perform on alternate days in the Cavern.

Admission fee was a shilling ,which was just about what we could afford at that time.
Ringo Starr was in another band at that time with Rory Storm I think but the Beatles were totally different to anything I had ever seen before.
Great music in Liverpool at that time!

Posted by: Wigan Rover (741) Report abuse
Thank you for putting your terrific memory on of The Beatles Fossil , must have been marvellous to see them . You would probably also have seen them alongside such other bands as The Searchers , Billy J Kramer & The Dakotas etc., how wonderful

Posted by: ianp. (530)  Report abuse
I think Ringo was in 'Rory Storm and the Hurricanes'

Such a shame about Pete Best: getting thrown out of the band for some unknown reason (lots of stories why, but nothing really concrete) just before the band hit the big time. Pete must have felt terrible.

Posted by: fossil (6665) Report abuse
To be honest I only saw the Searchers and Billy J Kramer on tv after I came back to work in Wigan in late 1961,but I remember seeing the Big Three,The Remo Four and he Four Most at the Cavern as deputies for the Beatles and Gerry, at lunch times, when they were away in Hamburg.
I saw Rory Storm and the Hurricanes with Ringo on the drums at the Civil Service club on one of the rare nights I stayed in Liverpool.
Freddie Starr was always in the Cavern in the afternoon I remember as was Cilla Black ,but I don't remember any females on stage at that time so I didn't see her!

The opening of Brian Epsteins music shop NEMS in Whitechapel was a notable occasion with what seemed to be thousands in attendance to watch Anthony Newley open the store.
I went into Mathew St with my wife a couple of years ago sightseeing, and noticed they had transplanted the Cavern to the opposite side of the street

Great memories!

Posted by: Wigan Rover (741) Report abuse
Stunning Memories Fossil , you are very lucky to have seen these iconic bands so early in their careers Ianp , I have a superb 2008 CD Album by The Pete Best Band titled Haymans Green . All 11 tracks sound heavily influenced by the Beatles sound and I can thoroughly recommend it's purchase

Posted by: ianp. (530)  Report abuse
Thanks for that information, Wigan Rover - I will certainly check it out.
I have a vinyl single by Pete Best from the early sixties. Also have a sixties single by Freddie Lennon.
'fossil', I agree with 'Wigan Rover'.

Posted by: jarvo (29177)  Report abuse
I remember seeing Billinge based The Autocrats at Carr Mill Damn around 1965/66.

They were heavily influenced by the Merseysound, and, as I seem to remember, incredibly loud.

They had a fabulous bass player.


Posted by: Wigan Rover (741) Report abuse
I can see that you are an ardent collector of Beatles material like myself Ianp . The Freddie Lennon single would be That's My Life on the Pye or Piccadilly Record Label released in 1965 . The inlay card to the Pete Best Band Haymans Green CD Album gives notes on all Pete's previous Bands : 62/63 Lee Curtis and the All Stars 63/64 Pete Best & The All Stars - The Pete Best Four 64/68 The Pete Best Combo ..... all very interesting . Jarvo , not heard of the Autocrats , wonder what happened to them , or would they have made it in another guise . Bet at least one of the members would have done , would be interesting to know ?

Posted by: Dave xl5 (304)  Report abuse
Music has been a great love in my life, and of the many musical loves I've had, none compare to The Beatles. The sheer quantity, and quality of their music for me, is unequalled. It has to be said though, they didn't quite reach the same heights when it came to their films. Their acting abilities could never have got them any Oscar nominations..

Posted by: raymyjamie (5746) Report abuse
Wigan Rover and Davex15, it’s really good to read your comments and info
I totally agree that The Beatles were NOT great actors, but they were just cashing in on their fame, they were never meant to be cinematic masterpieces.

I have a goodly number of Beatles CD’s and am still buying gradually the few missing ones until I get most of their output.
I say ‘most’ because as well as their original album releases, they issued ‘Remastered’ versions as well, also the ‘Anthology’ series of 3 CD’s plus an ‘Anthology’ DVD.
These contain early recordings before they were famous, plus outtakes from studio sessions, I have hummed and hawed about those for years!!!!! LOL

I was lucky enough to see The Beatles at the ABC Cinema in Wigan in 1964, one of those so called ‘Package Tours’ which were popular at the time.
I think the venue was just about right, it being a relatively small intimate theatre, so we could hear the music over the girls screaming, fantastic.

Posted by: jarvo (29177)  Report abuse
I always thought Ringo was a great actor.

His role in That'll Be The Day was outstanding.


Posted by: Wigan Rover (741) Report abuse
Thoroughly enjoyed this thread , some great memories and input from learned people . Re Beatle Films , it's always an enjoyable pleasure to watch A Hard Days Night and Help which we have on DVD

Posted by: raymyjamie (5746) Report abuse
Wigan Rover, beltin’ thread, well done to everybody's input
I’m busy tonight, doing a quiz over o t’other place , no name no pack drill!!!!!!!
But tomorrow, no procrastinations, no humming and hawing, no dithering, I’ll get some Beatle’s CDs and DVDs ordered from Amazon

Posted by: jarvo (29177)  Report abuse
Actually, one of the best solo albums by any of the Beatles, was 'Ringo'.

Released during the dark days of late 1973, it achieved great success.

Six O'Clock...

Great album.

Posted by: mollie m (6257)  Report abuse
I saw The Beatles back in 1965, I think it was, at The Ritz. Too much screaming to hear them properly, unfortunately.

I have an LP of Ringo Starr called Beaucoups of Blues, which is slightly warped these days, but still plays okay, and it's a fabulous collection of songs.

I also have an LP of The Beatles but it's just in an inner plain white sleeve and it's called The White Album, which I've heard little of.

I also have the original Please, Please Me LP in mono with a gold/yellow label. I've heard that it is worth something, but I don't know much about these things, so any information would be gladly appreciated.

Posted by: Wigan Rover (741) Report abuse
Mollie , back in 1963 there where four different pressings of the Please Please Me vinyl Album throughout the year. The first and second pressings have a black and gold Parlophone Label . The third and fourth pressings have the yellow and black Parlophone Label . The later pressings from 1969 have the silver and black label , also containing the EMI Logo. It is obviously all about condition , but I understand that the Mono album in black & gold can be worth anything from £750 , while the much rarer Stereo version can start at £3,000. The third and fourth pressings containing the yellow & black label are sadly not as rare , they range in value from £60 to £150 depending on condition. Hope this is of interest Mollie

Posted by: Wigan Rover (741) Report abuse
Jarvo , have to agree about the Ringo Album from 73 . I am fortunate to have his complete Studio Collection and All Starr Band Collection of albums. I have never been disappointed with any of them , all great music to listen to , enjoy and are great value for money in running time. This year see's Ringo celebrating his 30th Anniversary Tour of his All Starr Band .... the nearest I come to seeing him is through the DVD's of the concerts

Posted by: jarvo (29177)  Report abuse
WR: Great stuff. Ringo was often underrated by the media, but he made some great music.

Watch the Beatles Anthology on DVD. In one interview he talks about John Lennon and Paul McCartney:

'John and I would just chill in-between recording just hanging out doin' nothin', and then Paul would arrive, and it would be work, work, work...'

Spoken in his famous scouse accent.

Posted by: Believer (128) Report abuse
Ringo is a great artist, with some great songs, his last album "Give more Love" released in 2017 was superb. Another personal favourite track of mine is "Postcards from Paradise" from the album of the same name which was released in 2015. Each line of the song, is a Beatles song title, its so clever and brilliant

Posted by: ianp. (530)  Report abuse
'I also have an LP of The Beatles but it's just in an inner plain white sleeve and it's called The White Album, which I've heard little of.' (mollie m)

Mollie, the album was officially released as a double album. Hopefully, you have two 12" vinyls of this album. Each side is numbered: SIDE 1, SIDE 2, SIDE 3, SIDE 4. So, if you only have one vinyl, then you can have a look at which sides you have.
The album was released with black inners,four photos (George,John,Paul,Ringo) and a poster.
Unfortunately, the most interesting and valuable point of this 1968 pressing is the cover, as each cover was individually numbered: number 0000001 would be interesting to own. I think, Ringo once owned this. The story goes, that the first ten numbers were handed to The Beatles,management and close employees.
Further news is, the album actually is just named: The Beatles. It became known as 'The White Album' due to its cover.

Posted by: raymyjamie (5746) Report abuse
I would think of all the post Beatles music, Paul Mac was the most prolific, and he did some great albums with Wings.

My favourite solo Beatle album has to be George Harrison’s ‘All Things Must Pass’.
Originally a triple vinyl release, unheard of in its time.
I wore my original vinyl out, and bought the CD release, and later the remastered CD with extra tracks and a reworking of ‘My Sweet Lord’, the original version is still the best.
Some great songs, but I didn’t care for the ‘jam sessions’ with Clapton et al.

Because of the postings about the White Album, I decided to check through my vinyl collection, which I am reluctant to sell/give away/scrap.
I possess a copy of the White Album in good nick.
It is numbered 0414908, and has the original photos and lyric book inside, all pristine.
I did of course buy the CD to replace it.
Favourite track, it just has to be Macca singing ‘Blackbird’, just fabulous.

Posted by: jarvo (29177)  Report abuse
Listen to: John Lennon/Plastic Ono Band:


Posted by: ianp. (530)  Report abuse
raymyjamie, Certainly nice to own and keep!
I have a copy of The Black Album

Posted by: ianp. (530)  Report abuse
jarvo, I agree: Ringo's acting in 'That'll Be The Day' is fine and certainly comes across as natural. For me, it's such a good film and much better than the follow-up film: 'Stardust'.
Also, 'That'll Be The Day' is worth watching just to spot the stars: Ringo Starr, David Essex, Keith Moon, Billy Fury, Robert Lindsay...
Seen the film about five times and would gladly watch it again and again...

Posted by: Wigan Rover (741) Report abuse
Just looking through my eight Ringo Starr All Starr Band Live CD's at some of the fantastic members that have performed on them ! Dr John , Billy Preston , Rick Danko & Levon Helm from The Band , Joe Walsh , Nils Lofgren Jim Keltner , Clarence Clemons from the E Street Band , John Entwistle of The Who , Mark Farner from Grand Funk Railroad , Randy Bachman , Filix Cavaliere from The Young Rascals , Timothy B. Schmit from The Eagles , Dave Edmunds , Todd Rundgren from Utopia , Burton Cummings from The Guess Who , Zak Starkey , Rod Argent , Richard Marx , Sheila E , Edgar Winter , Hamish Stuart from The Average White Band , Colin Hay from Men at Work , Gary Wright , Roger Hodgson from Supertramp , Ian Hunter from Mott the Hoople , Greg Lake , Graham Gouldman from 10cc and so many more ..... his 30th Anniversary Tour will take place this year

Posted by: builderboy (2107) Report abuse
Whilst not a particular fan of music it is great to read threads from those that are. My mate Jarvo was always a huge fan of music and it is great to see that many other posters share his passion.
Reading of things that are buried in the distant corners of my mind is proving to be of great interest and I would be encourage you all to keep up these fabulous posts.

Posted by: ianp. (530)  Report abuse
By the way, mollie m., Wigan Rover is perfectly correct in his statement about 'four different pressings...'
Additionally, remember that 'condition' is everything and can greatly affect the value.

Wigan Rover, thanks for the input and the valued information. It is truly amazing how many famous musicians make guest appearances. But, if I were in that circle of musicians, I would do likewise.
Sadly, some of the above names and I must add 'GREATS' (John Entwistle, Greg Lake, Rick Danko & Levon Helm, Billy Preston) can only be with Ringo, at his 30th Anniversary, in spirit.

Posted by: jarvo (29177)  Report abuse
A big thank you to everyone who has contributed to this thread.

And to think that when John Lennon finished the rooftop concert with his witty remarks, we'd still be talking about them 50 years on.

They passed the audition alright...


Posted by: ianp. (530)  Report abuse
Yes, thank you!
Hopefully, one of the usual spoilers isn't going to make an appearance.

Jarvo, didn't John Lennon make a statement about believing The Beatles not lasting one year?

Then again, DECCA Recording Company went and said something about, nobody is interested in four guys writing and playing their own songs!

As we say, the rest is HISTORY!

Posted by: Wigan Rover (741) Report abuse
An absolute pleasure to be part of this superb thread , with people who share a similar enjoyment of music . Ian thank you for your interest in the members of The All Star Band and again to Jarvo for starting the thread

Posted by: jarvo (29177)  Report abuse
Ian: I wasn't aware of Lennon's comment, but he was clearly wrong.

Thanks again to all who posted.

Brilliant stuff, and I've learned a lot more on the Fabs through reading all the comments.

Posted by: ianp. (530)  Report abuse
Jarvo, Lennon made a lot of comments about The Beatles over the years in interviews and another comment he made in a seventies interview was that he would be quite willing to work with Paul McCartney again. It came across that McCartney was the one who didn't want the band to get back together - although, all four members of The Beatles (John, Paul, George & Ringo) worked on an album three years after disbanding.

'RINGO', the third studio album by Ringo Starr, is probably the closest to being an album by The Beatles which has never been categorized as an album by The Beatles. In other words, this is a Beatles' album by Ringo Starr. I strongly think, that Ringo was well liked by the other three (John, Paul & George) and they certainly had no problem to work with him in the studio. I also believe, that they didn't want Ringo to be left behind when it came down to music.

This third studio album by Ringo not only features all four members of The Beatles, but also contains songs written by all four members. The only noticeable difference is that there are no songs written by the songwriting partnership 'Lennon & McCartney'.

'Ringo's Rotogravure' the fifth studio album by Ringo Starr, which was released in 1976, was the last Ringo Starr album which featured active involvement from all four members of The Beatles.

If John Lennon's death in 1980 had not occurred, then a later album may have seen the former Beatles back together in a much stronger relationship than the seventies and one which reflected the first half of the sixties rather than the band's (The Beatles) latter years.

Posted by: jarvo (29177)  Report abuse
Ian: Have read by 'John' by Cynthia Lennon?

Brilliant book and a revealing insight on their relationship together.

Posted by: ianp. (530)  Report abuse
Jarvo, I haven't read the book. But, it is certainly one for future reading (when I have enough time)

By the way, sorry that I only realized you had mentioned Ringo's third studio album after I had written the above text.

Wigan Rover, I forgot to mention that around twenty years ago I came across a number of vinyls (promotional copies, Radio Station copies etc) by Ringo Starr/Ringo Starr & His All-Starr Band: the vinyls had all come from a radio station and had never been on sale to the general public.

Curious to know what is the most interesting Beatles' (group, solo, related...) item in your collection?

Posted by: Wigan Rover (741) Report abuse
Wow, that's an interesting question that I had not really thought about before Ian ! I have been very fortunate in life to be able to purchase every Studio Album , Compilation , Live Albums and bonus Re issues released on CD / DVD by the Beatles and of course all those in their Solo Years . I sold all my vinyl collection off years ago for a good price , but probably my most valuable , was a copy of the Vinyl Beatles Christmas Album containing all their Christmas Fan Club Flexi Discs on the Apple Label . Cd wise , two of Ringo's original Cd's , Stop and Smell the Roses (1981) and Old Wave (1983) did not come cheap here in the UK . Re Jarvo's recommendation of the book John by Cynthia Lennon , this is the vastly updated version of the original paperback " A Twist of Lennon " published in February 1980 and is an excellent insight into the early years of The Beatles

Posted by: raymyjamie (5746) Report abuse
Some cracking posts on this thread, and lots of good info, well done everybody.
Today me and Mrs RMJ were in Wigan town centre for a mooch.
We went into Waterstones in the Grand Arcade and I had a peruse of the books under the Music’ section.
There were a couple of biographies caught my eye, ‘John Lennon, The life’ and ‘Paul McCartney’, both by Philip Norman, not the film critic, but the author and playwright who has also written the million best seller ‘Shout, The true story of the Beatles’.
They are both quite hefty tomes, around the 800 page mark, but I was totally disappointed to see the text size, which was very small.
Although I consider myself to have good eyesight, I don’t need glasses for driving, my near distance vision is not brill.
So I rather reluctantly put the books back.
The books are available on Kindle, so I could consider investing in one.
The Kindle pad allows you increase the text size.

Posted by: jarvo (29177)  Report abuse
I think the original and official biography by Hunter Davies takes some beating.

A splendid read. And easy to read text.

Posted by: raymyjamie (5746) Report abuse
Thanks for that Mr J

I'll check it out.

Posted by: ianp. (530)  Report abuse
raymyjamie,Kindle is now a popular means of reading and, as you stated, you can increase the text size. Also, they are very handy to take on holiday if you are an avid reader - no need to take a suitcase of books. But, if you love the quality of a product like me, then a beautifully bound book with all its artistic wonders is irreplaceable.

By the way, I wonder how much historical detail the books contain. For instance, some years ago I was introduced to a particular musician who told me a number of things during our conversation and one slice of information was extremely interesting: he told me that he had written 'Love Me Do' and he had sold it to... (I will leave it to you to come up with the name of the buyer)
Additionally, there were a number of people who supported his claim and I still do not doubt his words.

Posted by: jarvo (29177)  Report abuse
The world is full of would-be's and wannabe's, Ian...

You'll be saying next that George Harrison DID write 'My Sweet Lord'.

Posted by: ianp. (530)  Report abuse
George must have been having one fine day when he wrote 'My Sweet Lord'.

Jarvo, this guy was a musician and songwriter from Liverpool, he was on the music scene back then, had a recording contract, was over in Hamburg during those years, and much more...

Don't forget! U2 made an out-of-court settlement regarding 'With or Without You'
Duran Duran also made an out-of-court settlement regarding 'Girls on Film'
Then there is Gary Moore, who was ordered by a German court to pay damages after ruling the guitar solo in his 1990 hit “Still Got the Blues” had been plagiarized from a German song written in 1974.
The list is long!

Posted by: ianp. (530)  Report abuse
Over the past few weeks, I have heard a lot about Ed Sheeran' songs being very similar to some old songs. On the radio, the presenter and some guests were discussing the similarity between an Ed Sheeran song and a Marvin Gaye song - the two songs were played at the same time (in-and-out) and I must admit, there were so many areas of the songs which were very similar, if not identical.

Posted by: jarvo (29177)  Report abuse
Even Neil Young was heavily influenced by a famous American duo in this classic:

Harvest Moon

Can you recognise who they are?

Posted by: retep1949 (488) Report abuse
The Everly Brothers

Posted by: jarvo (29177)  Report abuse

Was that a guess?

Posted by: jarvo (29177)  Report abuse
Listen To The Intro...

Posted by: retep1949 (488) Report abuse
l have always been an Everly brothers fan and have heard them ,not live,sing a few songs with Niel Young.

Posted by: ianp. (530)  Report abuse
Jarvo, you're right! The intros are identical.

Have a listen to Marvin Gaye's 'Lets get it on', then have a listen to Ed Sheeran's 'Thinking Out Loud'. Listen to the music: drums, chords, bass, rhythm, tempo et al

Posted by: jarvo (29177)  Report abuse
Very similar, Ian, but what a gulf in class.

My opinion, of course.

'What's Going On' is something else.

Do you agree?

Posted by: jarvo (29177)  Report abuse
...My favourite Motown album.

Posted by: Wigan Rover (741) Report abuse
I have the 2002 re-mastered CD of the terrific What's Going On Marvin Gaye Album containing two superb bonus tracks . My favourite song after the title track of course , is Mercy Mercy Me (The Ecology)which was the second single from the album . Re very similar songs , I always thought that The Jam's 1980 Single "Start" was a complete rip off of George Harrisons Taxman from the 1966 Revolver Album , due to it's guitar riff

Posted by: ianp. (530)  Report abuse
Jarvo,you want to know my opinion. Well, basically speaking, let's put it this way:-
The Motown artist (Marvin Gaye) was one of the originals and he was certainly influential on developing that distinctive sixties sound and later on with the changing sound of Motown.
For me, Ed Sheeran's chart releases always sound like some other song. When I first heard 'Thinking Out Loud', I immediately recognized the music behind the vocals.
Marvin Gaye: musician,singer,songwriter and producer in three decades and what is probably considered as the most productive and versatile decades of modern music, whose version of 'I Heard It Through The Grapevine' is an acclaimed classic and one of Motown's finest songs. (One of my favourite Motown songs - I just love that highly-recognizable riff)
Marvin Gaye, not only introduced us to different styles of music, but gave us a wonderful range of great songs as a successful solo artist and one half of a duet (Mary Wells,Kim Weston,Tammi Terrell,Diana Ross), from 'Stubborn Kind of Fellow' through to 'It Takes Two' and onto 'Sexual Healing'.

Ed Sheeran! A handful of pleasant songs, which sound too much like songs from the past, in a decade of mostly forgettable songs and sounds.

I don't have a favourite Motown album due to the fact that it's like being a kid in a sweetshop: totally spoilt for choice!

By the way, I have the album and the mentioned, by the both of you (Wigan Rover & Jarvo), two Marvin Gaye's singles and, they are great!
Good choice, Wigan Rover.

Wigan Rover, regarding The Jam single, I remember, back in 1980, the radio disc jockeys/presenters talking about the similarity. Additionally and coincidentally, the drum and bass sound of The Jam's song 'Town Called Malice' is close to being a sixties Motown song. But, I really liked The Jam; still do! So, for me, Weller and The Jam were allowed to get away with it.

Posted by: Wigan Rover (741) Report abuse
Ha ha , okay we will turn a blind eye to the Jam Ian . My favourite single of theirs would be Down in the Tube Station at Midnight which I would have bought in October 1978 taken from their famous Album " All mod Cons "

Posted by: jarvo (29177)  Report abuse
At the time, late seventies, I didn't really get the Jam; I was probably reluctant to let go of Supertramp. But years later, when Supertramp lost one half of their creative force, I began hearing different things.

The Jam were pretty dynamic onstage, but you must diversify; unfortunately, in my opinion, they didn't. And the end came rather too sudden. That said, I do like 'That's Entertainment' with its fast feisty lyrics. Other than that, married life with three kids took over and I was resigned to catching the odd Jethro Tull gig in Manchester.

Jethro Tull!

Now there lies a good debate.

Posted by: ianp. (530)  Report abuse
You're 'Living in the Past', jarvo.

Still my favourite song of theirs (Jethro Tull).

Probably the most amazing fact about Jethro Tull, above the facts: the band has been around for about fifty years (I think,they are still going), had an incredible fan following, the band's 1969 album reached number 1, the band's line-ups over the years included some significant members and greats of the British Folk era, the leader/singer (Ian Anderson) was a flautist and had the habit of standing on one leg while playing the flute and the band released some acclaimed albums is,THE BAND ORIGINATES FROM BLACKPOOL.
Amazing how these musicians escaped that environment filled with: slot machines,amusement arcades,roller coasters and carousels,cabaret clubs,toffee rock and ice-cream et al; all being vastly consumed by us working-class tourists.

Wigan Rover, it's a great song, from beginning to end, of Weller's. I love the introduction and the lyrics lead you into that distasteful World of crime,mindless thuggery,helplessness,loneliness...
I remember going into town and buying the single. Also, I bought a special copy of 'All Mod Cons', because it had, if I remember, two extra tracks on the album.

Posted by: spacebar (500) Report abuse
jarvo and ianp, you're right about the similarities between Marvin Gaye's 'Let's Get it On' and Sheeran's 'Thinking Out Loud', because an American court recently ruled that a jury should decide on payment by the latter to the former's estate over copyright infringement.
Lawsuit ruling

I completely agree that 'What's Going On' is one of the finest albums!

Posted by: jarvo (29177)  Report abuse
Tull were never the same after John Evan left.


Posted by: Wigan Rover (741) Report abuse
Blimey , this thread is certainly moving at a pace I have a small number of Jethro Tull Albums on CD . Aqualung from 71 , Minstrel in the Gallery from 75 , Songs from the Wood from 77 , Crest of a Knave from 87 and a Best Of from 1993 . Favourite singles , Living in the Past from 69 , Moths from 1978 and Home from 1979 with picture covers

Posted by: jarvo (29177)  Report abuse
First time that I saw them was at Liverpool Stadium on the 'Thick As A Brick' tour in March 1972. Great gig, with Anderson and Co outstanding.

We had to miss the encores because the last train from Exchange was at 10.45pm.

Posted by: ianp. (530)  Report abuse
Shame on you! I would have stayed until the end, missed the train and slept on a bench.
I have the album with fold-out newspaper sleeve. Also got the 'Stand Up' pop-up sleeve and the 'L.I.T.P.' book sleeve - great music with very novel sleeves!
Forgot to mention, thanks Wigan Rover for the earlier information.

Posted by: jarvo (29177)  Report abuse
Ian: I did it for the Strawbs a few weeks before, but I wasn't freezin' to death a second time.

Posted by: Wigan Rover (741) Report abuse
I still have the brilliant Strawbs Single Lay Down from October 1972 featuring Blue Weaver on Mellotron .... they will of course always be immortalised with their next issued single "Part of the Union" the following year

Posted by: raymyjamie (5746) Report abuse
What a crackin’ thread is this.
The Strawbs AND Jethro Tull. now that is something special.

The Strawbs discography what I have:-

From the Witchwood (with the brilliant Rick Wakeman on keyboard)
Grave New World
Hero and Heroine
Bursting at the Seams

Jethro Tull:-

Songs from the Wood
Heavy Horses
Thick as a Brick
Minstrel in the Gallery
Best of Jethro Tull 2 CD collection

Posted by: jarvo (29177)  Report abuse
We ventured backstage at the Floral Hall and met the Strawbs in 1972. Got all their autographs.

Blue Weaver was still onstage checking his equipment. We chatted with him and he signed all our posters and programmes.

That was the 'Grave New World' tour.

A fantastic evening ended with us missing our train home and spending a very cold night on Chapel Street station.

New World...

Pay it loud...Blue Weaver on Mellotron.

Posted by: raymyjamie (5746) Report abuse
You are sooooo lucky Jarvo, I never got to see them live.

I just LOVE 'Grave New World', one of the best tracks ever

Posted by: raymyjamie (5746) Report abuse
Grave New World

"There's blood in the dust where the city's heart beats
The children play games that they take from the streets
How can you teach when you've so much to learn?
May you turn, may you turn, may you turn, may you turn
May you turn, may you turn in your grave - New World."

Brilliant lyrics.

Posted by: jarvo (29177)  Report abuse
Ray: Seen them six times.

The band are still active, and Dave Cousins is singing better than ever.

That album was their best.

Posted by: raymyjamie (5746) Report abuse
"That album was their best."

Couldn't agree more Mr J.

Posted by: jarvo (29177)  Report abuse
Is It Today, Lord?

Richard Hudson on sitar.

Blessed, Ray...

Posted by: raymyjamie (5746) Report abuse
Just sublime Jarvo

Posted by: ianp. (530)  Report abuse
It all sounds like good stuff to me!

Posted by: raymyjamie (5746) Report abuse
The artist I probably have most albums of is Mike Oldfield.
Alan ‘Fluff’ Freeman used to do a Saturday afternoon show on Radio One,
He called Mike Oldfield ‘The Master’, I think that’s true.

I have just taken stock of my Mike Oldfield CD collection.
In date order, earliest first :-

Tubular Bells (original 1973 recording)
Hergest Ridge
Five Miles Out
Tubular Bells II
The Songs of Distant Earth
Tubular Bells III
The Millenium Bell
Tres Lunas
Tubular Bells 2003 Anniversary Edition
Light and Shade
Music of the Spheres
Tubular Bells De Luxe Edition
Hergest Ridge De Luxe Edition
Ommadawn De Luxe Edition
Incantations De Luxe Edition
Return to Ommadawn

Ignoring compilation albums, I am missing the following:-

The Killing Fields (film soundtrack)
Earth Moving
Heavens Open
Man on the Rocks

The only ‘bad’ album on that list is 'Amarok', I do not like it at all.

Posted by: ianp. (530)  Report abuse
ray, it would take a lot to find more albums of one solo artist - you would have to go for one of the long-lasting big stars: Sinatra, Presley, Cash, Zappa, Cliff, Bowie...

For me, Mike Oldfield's best is the groundbreaking album: 'Tubular Bells'. I remember hearing it as a young kid and working out how the main riff went. I probably drove everyone crazy as I played it over and over again.

Posted by: Wigan Rover (741) Report abuse
That is a fantastic collection Raymyjamie , proving your a true Mike Oldfield fan . Great news too , that I note your few missing Albums are all still available on Cd through Amazon and all except Islands are reasonably priced . The re mastered versions of The Killing Fields is 5.89p , a 2003 re-issue of Earth Moving 7.37p , Heaven's Open 4.24p and Man on the Rocks 7.50p. Islands the 2000 re-master is 22.22p , but I note original copies are available on E.Bay from around 3.00p. I would not wait too long in getting hold of them though , because it is doubtful anymore would be pressed in this the "downloading " age !

Posted by: raymyjamie (5746) Report abuse
Ianp and Wigan Rover thank you for your input, one was too late last night and one was too early this morning LOL!!!!!

Mike Oldfield’s ‘Tubular Bells’ has often been labelled as a ‘seminal’ album, literally meaning ‘from seed’, but descriptively meaning ‘capable of being developed’.
It was way ahead of its time and blew my mind when I first heard it.
For the musically inclined, the opening bars of ‘Tubular Bells’ are an unusual time signature, three bars of 7/8 time followed by one bar of 9/8 time.

WR I do intend to buy my missing albums, thanks for the info.
I have yet to see the film ‘The Killing Fields’, but to me the music transcends the visual images, and stands on its own merits.
WR, you talk of this ‘downloading age’, I am a little old fashioned and much prefer the value of a tactile hard copy of my music as a CD rather than an ‘in the ether’ might get lost digital file.

Posted by: Wigan Rover (741) Report abuse
Raymyjamie , I would not have a clue how to even approach a download , only CD's for me and what is left of my vinyl collection ! The quality of CD's is brilliant , especially re-masters of earlier classic albums

Posted by: raymyjamie (5746) Report abuse
Sorry Wigan Rover, been out all afternoon.
Totally agree, CD’s anyday for me.
As you say, remastered CD’s are far better quality.
I have an ipod (mobile phone size) on which I have loaded the itunes app, this allows me to play music with earphones when I’m out walking.
I started to buy albums in digital form from itunes, only trouble is they started going AWOL from my ipod.
Thankfully they are stored in what is called ‘The Cloud’ and I can usually get them back, but I’ve stopped buying them now because of the aggro.
I can put a CD into my laptop, connect my ipod into the USB post and load the CD directly to my ipod, much less problematic.

Posted by: jarvo (29177)  Report abuse
WR: Spot on.

Posted by: Wigan Rover (741) Report abuse
Jarvo , looks like we will all have to go round to Raymyjamie's for a few lessons on modern technology , he is certainly with it , unlike us (ha ha)

Posted by: jarvo (29177)  Report abuse
WR: Who needs it? Certainly NOT me.

I love the CD: so easy, quick and convenient.

And I love going out and buying them new.

No pirate stuff for me.

Posted by: lectriclegs (3660) Report abuse
Here's one I downloaded earlier

Posted by: ianp. (530)  Report abuse
I've had many different types of equipment for playing music, from an old gramophone for 78rpm into the modern digital World. Got my first DAT player about thirty years ago and the sound was great. I found the MiniDisc player I bought about four years later fine, but nothing special. Probably the most impressive was the reel-to-reel (Tascam 38) I had, which cost 'an arm and a leg', as to say!

For me, it all depends where I am. In the car or in the kitchen, then it's the CD - easy to use and relatively cheap. Outside in the garden, then it's the cassette, CD or MP3. In my study, then it's usually vinyl - with a quality system and the right vinyl, the sound is wonderful. My MiniDisc player and my DAT player have now almost retired. When travelling, then it's the MP3 player - small, compact and convenient.

raymyjamie, your list began with 'Tubular Bells', so I assume this is the first Mike Oldfield CD (LP).
Have you had a listen to his earlier music?
Mike and his sister (Sally) worked together under the name 'The Sallyangie' and released one album (Children of the Sun) in 1969 - four years before Mike's debut solo album.

Posted by: jarvo (29177)  Report abuse
Ian: Great stuff.

Posted by: raymyjamie (5746) Report abuse
Ian, what a great post
It was a little late last night to reply.
What a fantastic range of playing devices you have, very impressed.
It seems you have held on to all of your past ‘machines’ and they are still working.
I never understood why the MiniDisc didn’t take off, it was a perfect miniature format.

I could kick myself with the kit I have got rid of.
I’ve had 3 complete Bang and Olufsen systems over the years.
The last one a beautifully aesthetic brushed aluminium record player, FM radio and cassette player/recorder which I gave to the charity shop, because it didn’t have a CD player, and it was ‘cluttering the place up’, I could skrike!!!!! LOL

To answer your question, I have got all versions of ‘Tubular Bells’.
The original 1973 vinyl.
The 2003 remastered 30th anniversary CD.
The Tubular Bells De Luxe CD boxed set, which contains a 2009 remix plus the original 1973 recording.
The Orchestral ‘Tubular Bells’ CD, well worth a listen, a bit mellower than the original.

I have listened to ‘Children of the Sun’ on youtube, it’s an excellent album.
At the time I had other things to buy, so it was put on the ‘back burner’.

Posted by: Wigan Rover (741) Report abuse
Apologies for changing the band theme , but just wanted to mention a brilliant CD / DVD that was bought for me on Valentines Day . Bad Company live at Wembley in 2010 , featuring original band members Paul Rodgers , Mike Ralphs and Simon Kirke , supplemented by Howard Leese and Lynn Sorensen on guitars . The DVD contains an extra track and the set also comes with an eight page booklet .... can highly recommend it , if anyone is interested

Posted by: raymyjamie (5746) Report abuse
No need for apologies Wigan Rover, this thread started out as a ‘Let it Be’ post, and is now a musical free-for-all.
Just listened to about 12 or so minutes of the Wembley concert, the full version is on youtube, just the music, no live action.
Will watch it gradually over the next few days.
Friday night is a bit busy for me, I do a Pub Quiz over on ‘the other place’, so time is tight.

I think I must have led a very sheltered early musical life, because their music has not crossed my path before.
Good solid tight rock sound, excellent vocalist.

Posted by: ianp. (530)  Report abuse
I totally agree, no need for apologies.

raymyjamie, where were you in the years from 1968 to 1982?
Bad Company had a number of hit singles and I know the band's first three albums all reached the top five in the UK & USA album charts.
Also, the band's singer co-wrote one of the classic rock songs, which I am definitely sure you know. Paul Rodgers was in the band 'Free' and he co-wrote the band's biggest and most memorable hit 'All Right Now'
By the way, he must have an impressive singing voice, because he was invited to record and tour with Queen after the sad death of Freddie Mercury.

Posted by: jarvo (29177)  Report abuse
I will never forget watching these class musicians on tour in Autumn 1972.

The Shulman Brothers...

Posted by: Wigan Rover (741) Report abuse
Great comments re Bad Company Ian Another of my favourite rock bands are Lynyrd Skynyrd , particularly the original line up before the plane crash in 1977. Sky Arts recently showed a wonderful recorded 2015 Live Concert from Jacksonville with the Band playing their complete first two Albums " Pronounced Leh-nerd-Skin-nerd " from 1973 and " Second Helping " from 1974 . "Freebird" has to be one of my all time favourite songs , especially done live I've got the expanded 2001 re-issue of Leh-nerd-Skin-nerd with five extra demo tracks on their classic album

Posted by: basil brush (11772) Report abuse
Brilliant thread

Well done to all involved.

Posted by: jarvo (29177)  Report abuse
I regard Gentle Giant as one of the most creative and original rock groups of the last century.

Starting originally as Simon Dupree and the Big Sound, they had a top ten hit with 'Kites' in 1967.

Kites was a strange ditty with a lovely mellotron running throughout the song - a precursor of what was to come. When they became Gentle Giant in the early seventies, the mellotron and other keyboards would dominate their music along with other 'instruments'.

What was unique about this band was the fact that they were all multi-instrumentalists: Ray Shulman would start one song playing the violin; and then quickly switch to acoustic and then bass guitar in mid song. It was a joy to watch and the music was never monotonous but fresh and original.

Check out 'Three Friends' on CD, or 'Octopus'.

You will not be disappointed.


Posted by: jarvo (29177)  Report abuse
Funny Ways...

Posted by: Wigan Rover (741) Report abuse
Simon Dupree and the Big Sound , I have their fantastic 1967 single Kites , along with their follow up For whom the Bell Tolls in 68 . I never realised that they had evolved into Gentle Giant , of which I sadly have nothing , so greatly appreciate Jarvo's comments ! Basil , glad you have enjoyed this thread

Posted by: ianp. (530)  Report abuse
Wigan Rover, Lynyrd Skynyrd's 'Freebird is an excellent song. I will have to dig it out and give it a spin. If I remember correctly, it's about nine minutes long.
So sad about the tragic plane crash.

basil brush, happy to hear you like the thread.

jarvo, I certainly can't disagree with you on the topic of Gentle Giant's creativity and many member's ability to play various instruments. Although, I cannot recall the drummers playing other instruments.
To be honest, I wouldn't know which category to place Gentle Giant in. I suppose, when we think of a rock group, most people would be thinking along the lines of 'Deep Purple', 'Led Zeppelin', 'Black Sabbath', 'AC/DC' and the like. With Gentle Giant, I feel much of the band's music was more complex than the average 4/4 rock beat and more experimental, pulling on many various types of music from the more common folk, jazz and soul styles, which were being incorporated into various bands of the latter part of the sixties, to the elements of medieval music and baroque music.
As you rightly stated, Gentle Giant evolved from Simon Dupree and the Big Sound - although, there were previous bands and not all members of Simon Dupree and the Big Sound became members of Gentle Giant. But, the core of both bands were the three Shulman brothers and they were/are multi-instrumentalists.
One interesting fact for people who are proud of the roots of a band is, if I remember correctly, Simon Dupree and the Big Sound were a Scottish band. I believe, Gentle Giant is always referred to as an English progressive rock band. This is quite strange as the Shulman brothers are Scottish; I think they originate from Glasgow.
By the way, I have the 'Simon Dupree and the Big Sound' album.
Trivial information: I am very sure Elton John joined 'Simon Dupree and the Big Sound' for a short time. For those who know the history of Elton John will know that he went under his real name (Reginald Dwight) in the sixties and only changed his name in about 1968. In about this time, he met up with Bernie Taupin, the man Elton would write many of his hits with.
Regarding sounds and line-ups of late sixties and early seventies bands, many came from earlier bands. Many early sixties beat bands became rock bands etc. Some members of Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple, Cream, ELO, Fleetwood Mac... came from British beat bands or British blues bands. Music was changing and so musicians had to do likewise, or just get left behind!

I'm off to bed - got to be up at 6:15am

Posted by: jarvo (29177)  Report abuse

The drummer:

John "Pugwash" Weathers – drums, percussion, vibraphone, xylophone, vocals, guitar (1972–80)

I would decribe their music as Jazz/Classical Rock.

Thanks for your comments.

Posted by: ianp. (530)  Report abuse
jarvo, sorry about the misunderstanding, I was thinking about the very early years and the first drummer (Smith) and the drummer who replaced him, whose name escapes me. I never thought of Weathers.
Yes, I would go along with 'Jazz/Classical Rock'. I was thinking along the lines of touches of 'Baroque/Medieval' with the thoughts of 'Classical'.
I believe, a lot of these bands in the latter part of the sixties were experimenting with music, and playing around with instruments like the 'Mellotron' helped them to come up with something which could have been considered different - although, The Beatles used the instrument in 1967. A strong mixture of styles, different influences and musicians moving from one band to another helped to produce and develop ideas - something which, I feel, is greatly lacking in today's music industry.

Posted by: jarvo (29177)  Report abuse
Ian: There's nothing remotely like GG's music in these techno filled days.

It was a time. A time that will never be again.

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Aitch's thread is turning into a Nick Hornby novel...

Leave it out, will yer!



Replied: 1st May 2016 at 13:59


Just a reminder of what Jarvo thinks of other peoples 'well supported threads'

Posted by: basil brush (11772) Report abuse
Brilliant thread

Well done to all involved.

I spoke to soon

And look who it is AGAIN

Pathetic individual who's intent on spoiling the site

Your a disgrace

Posted by: jarvo (29177)  Report abuse
WR: I have posted you the details of the GG compilation album available on Amazon.

Enjoy when it arrives.

Posted by: Wigan Rover (741) Report abuse
Thank you Jarvo , appreciate your kindness

Posted by: basil brush (11772) Report abuse
Well done, people.

Posted by: jarvo (29177)  Report abuse
WR: You're very welcome.

A splendid thread shared by old and new friends.

Posted by: raymyjamie (5746) Report abuse
Some interesting and enlightening posts.
It seems I am a musical ‘thicky’!!!!!!! LOL

From Ianp:-

“raymyjamie, where were you in the years from 1968 to 1982?”

When I was in my teens I was into The Beatles and Stones, and, as a lot of people at that time, the early sixties, blues and rhythm and blues.
I didn’t have any decent hi-fi (we weren’t well off) until I got married in 1969, so was woefully ignorant of the music around.
Then in the early seventies I was introduced to folk rock in the form of Steeleye Span and Fairport Convention, I have dozens and dozens of their albums.
Then in 1972, playing as the support act to a Steeleye concert in Manchester, I saw a Breton musician called Alan Stivell.
He pays the music of Brittany, Ireland, Scotland and Wales, in the genre of Celtic Folk Rock, and has been playing for decades.
Other musicians who I have albums of are Irish groups Horslips and Danu, and Irish American group Solas.
Sandy Denny who sadly died too young was superb.
Of late, I’m in love with a bonny French lass called Nolwenn Leroy (pronounced Le Roi).
This is a clip of ‘Tri Martolod’ which translates from Breton as ‘Three Sailors’.
Cracking stuff.

Nolwenn Leroy – Tri Martolod

It seems hard rock by-passed me, but I have other musical interests which I will maybe share in the future.

Posted by: ianp. (530)  Report abuse
raymyjamie,please believe me when I say,that I only posted the question as a light-hearted remark and nothing to be taken too seriously.
I concluded that you were listening to a different genre of music and most, if not all, radio stations in those early years played the top forty. So, it would have been extremely likely to never hear much music via the radio.
I assumed, from your posts, that you were old enough in 1968 to be buying records without the need to ask your parents, which supported my conclusion. And! As you have stated that you got married in 1969, I believe my assumption was correct - unless you got married when you were 12 years-of-age

With regard to music, I was very lucky to be introduced, at an early age, to many different kinds of music. My aunt was/is a huge folk fan and she has watched many folk musicians perform. I am very sure, that she often went to watch folk musicians perform at Rivington Barn.

By the way, if you haven't had a listen, then have a listen to early Clannad.

Posted by: raymyjamie (5746) Report abuse
Ian, your assumptions are spot on.
I never for one minute thought you were ‘getting’ at me.

I am on old b*gger aged 72, but still young enough to enjoy all sorts of music.
I got married in 1969 aged 22 but almost 23 (far too young LOL!!!!)
My contact with music prior to being married was almost entirely through radio, which as you say was just ‘pop’ based, and wouldn’t include the wide range of music that was being made at that time.
When we first got married we used to go to Westhoughton folk club, which was held at the Red Lion pub, now turned into flats, and later transferred to Westhoughton Golf Club, but now sadly disbanded.
The way I see it is, there is still a whole world of music out there waiting to be discovered.
It doesn’t matter what I’ve missed out on, I can always catch up.
I still love the tactile nature of owning a CD, and can’t be doing with musical downloads.
I must do an inventory sometime of my collection of CD’s.

Clannad have produced some beautiful music over the years, the best known is probably the ‘Theme from Harry’s Game’, for some some reason I never did buy any of their music.

Posted by: ianp. (530)  Report abuse
raymyjamie,you aren't old and you are certainly young enough to discover all that music you somehow missed in those previous younger years.

Enjoy many years of listening to all kinds of music.

Posted by: basil brush (11772) Report abuse

A splendid thread shared by old and new friends

Totally agree 👍 👍 👍

Posted by: raymyjamie (5746) Report abuse
Ian, thanks for your comments.

I have some Christmas money and some Amazon gift vouchers burning a hole in my pocket, so maybe I'll get some of it spent on 'old' and 'new' music.

Posted by: raymyjamie (5746) Report abuse
"A splendid thread shared by old and new friends".

Couldn't agree more BB

Posted by: Wigan Rover (741) Report abuse
With the sad loss of second band member Peter Tork earlier this week , I have been listening to some of my Monkees Cd's and have thoroughly enjoyed them . To me they where certainly more than a "bubble gum " pop band with a teen TV series in colour ! Their music greatly developed towards the latter end of the sixties , but I would be interested to hear what others think , who perhaps know much more about them then myself ? Also just wanted to mention another band who's music I enjoy .... The Guess Who , formed in Winnipeg , Canada in 1965 . They are probably best known in the UK for their 1970 single and album American Woman , a USA number one . The lead guitarist is Randy Bachman , who went on to form Bachman Turner Overdrive , another cracking band . I have the 2017 re-issue of American Woman with bonus tracks etc., and can heartily recommend it to anyone who would be interested . Basil , why not put some of your music likes on here , as I know you definitely enjoy 60's and 70's music

Posted by: jarvo (29177)  Report abuse
WR: I liked The Monkee's later stuff, things like D.W. Washburn and Alternate Title.

I always thought Mike Nesmith was very talented and I have a few of his CD's.

Micky Dolenz is also a great guy and a very talented actor.

R.I.P. Peter.

Posted by: Salmon & Ball (219)  Report abuse
Wigan Rover.
The Bachman Turner Overdrive, You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet will take some beating

1973/74 was a good year for progressive music.
Manfred Mans Earth Band, Bad Company, Golden Earring, Mott The Hoople, Queen, Nazareth etc.
Mott The Hoople's "Roll Away The Stone" And "Saturday Gig"
were classics in that era. In my opinion.

Posted by: beep54 (1012) Report abuse
Jarvo, God is a concept by which we measure our Pain

Posted by: jarvo (29177)  Report abuse
Lennon at his best, Beep.

Posted by: ianp. (530)  Report abuse
jarvo,isn't Micky Dolenz still alive?

I like 'The Monkees' music,especially the band's early singles, such as:'I'm A Believer', which was written by Neil Diamond.I also really like the band's albums (Monkees,Headquarters,More of The Monkees,Pisces...) - which I have.
Interesting fact is,The Sex Pistols had a hit with one of The Monkees songs (I'm Not Your Stepping Stone).

I believe,'The Monkees' were put together as America's answer to 'The Beatles' and mainly for a television series. For me, 'The Monkees' came along slightly too late to compete with 'The Beatles'. 'The Monkees' catchy pop songs and fun attitude worked well at the beginning, but 'The Beatles' had moved on from this characterisation and were being highly-regarded as serious song writers and musicians.
Although 'The Monkees' enjoyed a series of hit singles and some very memorable songs, even classics like 'Daydream Believer', the band's success was relatively short - basically, only two years.We only need to put ourselves into 1967 and here we have 'The Monkees' singing 'Pleasant Valley Sunday' and 'Daydream Believer' (very nice songs), but 'The Beatles' were giving us the psychedelic 'Strawberry Fields Forever' and the hippie chanting 'All You Need Is Love'; in the same year,they gave us 'Penny Lane','Hello Goodbye','Magical Mystery Tour','I Am The Walrus','Fool On The Hill' and 'Blue Jay Way'. That particular year, 'The Beatles' gave us the album 'Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band'.
Although, the producers played around with the recordings of 'The Monkees': different guitar sound,harmonies,multi-layered voice fills,the chaotic storm of instruments ending the song, all on the song 'Pleasant Valley Sunday', these couldn't take us away from the fact that it was another very nice pop song by 'The Monkees'.
Sadly,songs like 'Porpoise Song' (recorded by 'The Monkees' in 1968), which could have easily fitted on either of The Beatles' albums 'Sgt Pepper' or 'Magical Mystery Tour' was only released in the UK in 1969 as the b-side of the quite terrible 'Daddy's Song'.

I could write a lot more, but I don't want to bore you all. So, I will finish with the following:-

These four very talented musicians gave us much more than the well publicised pop songs and fun-loving image,but we have failed to sample most of the music they offered to us.Just have a listen to: Words, Shades of Gray, Porpoise Song, Goin' Down, 99 Pounds, Oh My My, Probably,if 'The Monkees' had been taken more seriously,commitment by the people around them and the music studio, given more status and respect,the band possibly would have entered the seventies with new sounds and many more chart successes.

Posted by: Wigan Rover (741) Report abuse
Cracking Response Ian and Jarvo You mention some of my favourite Monkees tracks there Ian re Shades of Gray etc., I would just add Mary , Mary and Daily Nightly , as a further great tracks ! Great to have your opinion too S & B Was only thinking yesterday about the three Dutch Bands from the early 70's who also released some brilliant material and singles ! Shocking Blue , with the very best version of Venus (released late 69 into 70) , Focus , with House of the King , Hocus Pocus & Sylvia (72 & 73) and of course Golden Earring with the classic Radar Love .... great stuff from the early 70's

Posted by: jarvo (29177)  Report abuse
Ian: I have edited. Micky is of course, alive and kicking.

Posted by: basil brush (11772) Report abuse
Wr, my music likes could never match the ones on this smashing thread.

I do like the the 60s and 70s because it reminds me of the kids growing up.

Listing to Gold radio station on DAB, don't know if you can get it on FM. at the moment

Posted by: Wigan Rover (741) Report abuse
You are very modest Basil , as I'm sure you could contribute some very interesting viewpoints being a fan of 60's and 70's music for so long Will give a listen to Gold on DAB ... I like Saturdays on Radio Two for Tony Blackburn's Sounds of the Sixties , but only get to hear the first hour of Pick of the Pops with Paul Gambaccini , if we are at the DW (the first hour is always the best anyway )

Posted by: ianp. (530)  Report abuse
basil brush,I totally agree with Wigan Rover's words regarding yourself. Also, your contribution to this thread is a welcomed and valued addition.

Wigan Rover,I was,at an earlier time of this thread,going to list,what I consider,a top 50 of essential rock songs to have,but I was short of time, as to say!
Anyway,three of the songs you mentioned on 28th were going to be on that list: Venus,Radar Love & Hocus Pocus by Focus.
Some of the other songs: Paranoid,Smoke on the Water,Whiskey in the Jar,Kashmir,Bohemian Rhapsody,Wild Side of Life,Born To Be Wild,White Room,Another Brick in the Wall,Thunderstruck,Bad Moon Rising,Riders On The Storm,Frankenstein,White Rabbit,Layla,School's Out,Don't Fear The Reaper,Born To Run,Sweet Child O'Mine,Purple Haze,Hotel California,Albatross,Run To The Hills,She's Not There (Santana's version),Money For Nothing,Bat Out Of Hell,All The Young Dudes,Sympathy For The Devil...

I decided to choose only one song from each group and not always my favourite song from that particular band. Of course, I was sometimes spoilt for choice, such as: Black Night,Caroline,Whole Lotta Love,Fortunate Son,Killer Queen,Sultans of Swing,All Along The Watchtower,Tusk...

Wigan Rover,I am so very happy to hear that Tony Blackburn & Paul Gambaccini are still going strong.

Posted by: Wigan Rover (741) Report abuse
Ian , glad you have listed so many classics , just leaves me to add some of my own vinyl singles to your list Silver Machine & The Psychedelic Warlords by Hawkwind , Louie Louie by Motorhead , Boston Tea Party & Amos Moses by The Sensational Alex Harvey Band , Evil Woman by ELO , House of the Rising Sun by Frijid Pink , Hey Joe by Jimi Hendrix Experience , Back Street Luv , by Curved Air , Devils Answer and Tomorrow Night by Atomic Rooster , Wishing Well by Free , Hello I Love You by The Doors , Evil Woman by Black Sabbath , The Witch by The Rattles , The Green Manalishi by Fleetwood Mac , Child of the Universe & Titles by Barclay James Harvest , Won't get fooled again by The Who , Hush by Deep Purple and to top them all off Monterey by Eric Burdon and The Animals . Re Status Quo , we proudly have a complete collection on CD of all their Studio , Live and Compilation Albums to date including Solo stuff Hope you enjoy our vinyl list

Posted by: ianp. (530)  Report abuse
Great songs, Wigan Rover. That Status Quo complete collection on CD must be in a very big box.

Regarding the songs,I had some of those in my head at the time, such as: Silver Machine,The Witch,Devils Answer,Hey Joe,Boston Tea Party (I got to listen to The Sensational Alex Harvey Band via my older sister - her LPs). I also had on my mind:Alright Now by Free,Mr Blue Sky by ELO,and a number of songs by Status Quo (Down Down,Paper Plane,Mystery Song,Roll Over Lay Down).

I am sorry to say and this is embarrassing,I had forgotten about Lemmy & Motorhead. Even so,when I now recall going down Wigan and buying the single 'Ace of Spades',which is still my favourite Motorhead track.

I had so many song titles in my head and just randomly threw down the ones I considered are rock songs. I didn't list some of my favourites because of the questionable genre, such as: My Generation & Pinball Wizard by The Who,You Really Got Me & Waterloo Sunset by The Kinks,Black Magic Woman & Man of the World by Fleetwood Mac,Ride A White Swan & Get It On by T.Rex,Far Far Away & Everyday by Slade (a far more talented band than credited),House of the Rising Sun by The Animals (one of my all-time favourites),Knockin' On Heaven's Door by Bob Dylan,Living in the Past by Jethro Tull,Louie Louie by The Kingsmen,Good Vibrations & Sloop John B by The Beach Boys,Mighty Quinn & Pretty Flamingo by Manfred Mann,The Air That I Breathe & He Ain't Heavy,He's My Brother by The Hollies,Heart Full of Soul & For Your Love by The Yardbirds,Keep on Running & I'm A Man by The Spencer Davis Group,Wonderous Stories & Going For The One by YES, Somethin' Else & Summertime Blues by Eddie Cochran,Be-Bop-A-Lula by Gene Vincent...and,and...

Just decided to add another zero to that list number

Posted by: jarvo (29177)  Report abuse
Don't Forget Don...

Posted by: raymyjamie (5746) Report abuse
Cracking thread with some great posts
Makes me feel inadequate, LOL, seems I’m a musical thicko !!!!!!

Jarvo, I’ve heard that song many times, but that Don McClean version is just sublime

Posted by: Salmon & Ball (219)  Report abuse
Great thread

You like your folk music.
I only appreciated how good " All Around My Hat " by Steeleye Span was 40 years after it was released!

Maddy Prior did a great version with Status Quo. What a great, and unlikely combination

Posted by: raymyjamie (5746) Report abuse
Great band still playing and recording S & B.
I’ve seen them several times, brilliant live performers.
The violinist Peter Knight has been replaced by a bonny young lass called Jessie May Smart, really talented player.
Apart from compilations and live albums, I probably have most if not all of their albums.

All Around My Hat is probably their best known work, I’ll check out that Status Quo on ‘youtube’, it seems an unlikely combination, thanks for that.

Posted by: Salmon & Ball (219)  Report abuse
It's worth listenig to, Ray. It was a live performance.

Posted by: jarvo (29177)  Report abuse
Ray: I watched Don on the OGWT and bought the single immediately.

It's a song I like to sing and I can do it unaccompanied.

The lyrics, slightly altered to the Percy French version, are moving. Especially the last verse.

Posted by: mindar (1330) Report abuse
Hi SB did you find out why you dont exist

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It's worth listenig to, Ray. It was a live performance.

Replied: 3rd Mar 2019 at 20:42

Posted by: Salmon & Ball (219)  Report abuse
What are you on about?

Edit. Typing error.

Posted by: raymyjamie (5746) Report abuse
Mindar / S & B what a cracking version
Good harmonies and very true to the original.
I thought the guy playing the pipes gave it a ‘folkie’ feel too, thanks for that.

Posted by: raymyjamie (5746) Report abuse
“Ray: I watched Don on the OGWT and bought the single immediately”.

Beautifully sung and played Jarvo

Posted by: ianp. (530)  Report abuse
jarvo,the track is not really my 'cup-of-tea',but it's great to know and appreciate other folk's taste. Saying that,I have always liked his song Vincent.
Also,I always liked 'The Old Grey Whistle Test' and Whispering Bob Harris - it was really nice to see and hear Bob Harris again.

Posted by: ianp. (530)  Report abuse
I was going through some of my collection this weekend and I came across an album of interest due to the guest musicians.

What about this for a gathering of musicians on one album:-

- Drums: Ringo Starr, Jim Keltner, Bruce Gary, Frank Gibson, Colin Fairley, Henry Spinnetti

- Bass: Klaus Voorman, Alan Jones, Dave Wyntor, Roger McKew

- Piano: Elton John, Zoot Money, Peter Wingfield, Gary Brooker, Rev.James Cleveland, Nicky Hopkins

- Guitar: Rory Gallagher, Brian May, Albert Lee, Ronnie Wood, Peter Banks, Peter Jameson, Mick Ralphs

Posted by: jarvo (29177)  Report abuse
Ian: What was the album?

Posted by: ianp. (530)  Report abuse
jarvo! Just to annoy and frustrate you over the answer,I will give you another piece of the puzzle: the harp player on the album was once famous for being a one man band and dressing up for his performances.

Posted by: raymyjamie (5746) Report abuse
Intriguing !!!!!!!!!

Posted by: jarvo (29177)  Report abuse
Leo Sayer?

But the album?

Posted by: Salmon & Ball (219)  Report abuse
Don Partridge?
That was an inspired guess on my part, If my guess is correct.
I remember him as a one man band. Breakfast on Pluto

Posted by: jarvo (29177)  Report abuse
Come on, Ian, the suspense is killing us.

Posted by: joemaplin (157)  Report abuse
Loved reading this thread,it has evoked many memories....Ian,please reveal...the suspense is killing me aghh

Posted by: ianp. (530)  Report abuse
Firstly,please accept my apologies for keeping you all waiting. I have been extremely busy with work and at social events; I've only just arrived home.

Secondly,well done,jarvo.

For people who only remember Leo Sayer for his seventies singles,it will come as a slight surprise to know that he began his music career as a song writer for other people.Before Leo began his own career as a recording artist he co-wrote Roger Daltrey's first solo hit 'Giving It All Away' - he also co-wrote other songs for Roger's first solo album.Leo Sayer also co-wrote Cliff Richard's top ten hit 'Dreamin'.

Anyway,I would just like to add a few words before putting you all out of your misery. If I were guessing, I would probably go for a George Harrison or John Lennon album,due mainly to the connection of Ringo Starr,Klaus Voorman and Elton John. Other possibilities could be a Mick Jagger or Rod Stewart album,due mainly to the connection of Ronnie Wood and Nicky Hopkins. But, none of these would be correct.

Believe it or not! All the musicians made a guest appearance on Lonnie Donegan's 1978 album 'Puttin' On The Style'. The album also features Michelle Phillips on backing vocals and was produced by Adam Faith.

But! Before I 'Let It Be', let me just add this: Lonnie Donegan was a highly respected musician and is listed as 'Britain's most successful and influential recording artist before The Beatles'. He also was known as the 'King of Skiffle'. Skiffle in the 1950's was a style of music which strongly encouraged amateur musicians and young groups, such as The Quarrymen, a band formed by a young John Lennon and a band which later featured McCartney and Harrison; a band which eventually evolved into The Beatles (Fabs...)

Posted by: joemaplin (157)  Report abuse
Not in a million years would I have come up with that one ...wow...Iwas thinking of the Leo Sayer/Dave Courtney collaboration for Daltrey ..wrong again.

Posted by: Wigan Rover (741) Report abuse
Brilliant Ian I remember hearing about this album at the time , but I have not got a copy

Posted by: raymyjamie (5746) Report abuse
What a cracking answer Ian.
I remember Lonnie Donegan singing ‘Putting on the Style’ & ’Cumberland Gap’, but never thought he was so influential to future musicians.
Skiffle was a fleeting music style to my memory, but obviously had a more profound effect.

Posted by: jarvo (29177)  Report abuse
Goodnight Irene...

Posted by: ianp. (530)  Report abuse
Thank you to all!

I thought,that I would twist it around to connect to jarvo's opening thread.

Additionally,I've liked much of Lonnie Donegan's work/songs for a long time. Also,he seemed to have been a genuine and approachable person/musician. I certainly would have been happy to have met him over a pint or two.

joemaplin,I am sure most people would not have come up with the answer 'in a million years'.
'...wow...I was thinking of the Leo Sayer/Dave Courtney collaboration for Daltrey': I feel,that it was a very reasonable answer and one which could have possibly been correct!

Posted by: Wigan Rover (741) Report abuse
It was Fifty Years Ago (yesterday , sorry) Paul McCartney married American Photographer Linda Eastman at Marlylebone Register Office in London . I remember that the wedding ceremony had to be delayed because best man Mike McGear , Macca's younger brother , he of The Scaffold arrived late . The couple would remain married for 29 years until Linda's sad death from breast cancer .

Posted by: Salmon & Ball (219)  Report abuse
The Searchers are doing a farewell tour.
The last gig is at the end of this month in Milton Keynes.Its a sell out. As is the previous gig down South in Camberley.

There are a few tickets left for a couple of gigs ( both down South ) in High Wycombe and Weymouth.

What a great band these were, and still are!
The two eldest members, Frank and John are still playing live in their 70's!
I would have loved to have seen Mike Pender and Tony Jackson the two other original members joining them for a final encore. Chris Curtis , the original drummer passed away a while ago.

Posted by: raymyjamie (5746) Report abuse
They did some cracking songs.
From memory :-

Sugar and Spice.
Needles and Pins.
Sweets for my Sweet.
Don’t Throw Your Love Away.

Good stuff, pity there are no Northern dates.

Posted by: Wigan Rover (741) Report abuse
We have been lucky enough to see The Searchers in Concert locally on a couple of occasions and have a handful of their Albums on CD . The 2001 Bonus Re-issue of Meet the Searchers (Aug 63) and 2001 Bonus Re-issue of the Album Sugar & Spice (late 63) are well worth investing in ! Don't throw your love away & Take me for what I'm worth are my favourite singles , which I still have on vinyl with most of their other 45 rpm releases . There are a number of good Concerts featuring the band in the modern era , to be found on You Tube , we only just watched one last week ! As we all get older , The Searchers are another sad loss to the music industry we all enjoy . Thank you for mentioning The Searchers S&B and your contribution Raymyjamie

Posted by: Salmon & Ball (219)  Report abuse
I only saw them live once, 1982.
They made some great sounds with that distinctive Rickenbacker guitar tone.

I have no particular favourite but I do like haunting sound of
"Goodbye my love"
Last time I heard, Mike Pender was still doing the rounds under the name of "Mike Penders Searchers" His son also played in the band.

Posted by: Wigan Rover (741) Report abuse
We watched the Searchers over at Southport Theatre late 70's early 80's when the band comprised of Frank Allen on bass, John McNally on lead guitar , Mike Pender rhythm guitar and Billy Adamson on drums . We bought two brilliant vinyl albums that they were promoting at that time . The Searchers (1979) and Play for Today (1980) containing all new tracks , released on Sire Records . I'm not sure if they were ever made available on CD ?


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