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Pearl Harbor
Started by: GOLDEN BEAR (3032)  Report abuse
Today marks the 76th Anniversary of that dastardly attack on a lovely Sunday morning when Japan launched a cruel raid on a country that was not at war the United States of America. Having had the privilege to visit the island a few years back ,it is like a lot of all these graves that hold our young and innocent generation of youth, in all parts of this planet. We visited the Arizona War Memorial my wife and i have the opportunities over the years to see some wonderful places , and it's something we both feel ,we are in total agreement it ranks as the most soul searching places on this earth,finally should any one of you ever have the chance to visit it please do for it WILL move you,R.I.P. all those brave lads.

Posted by: Anne (3341)  Report abuse
True it is worth visiting. If anyone cares to look there is a video of mine titled Around the world in 32 days. It is about the middle of March 2015. Unfortunately I did not title the links but I think it is the sixth one down.

Posted by: broady (13699)   Report abuse
As GB and Anne say a very poignant place to visit. We visited the Missouri and stood on the spot where the Japanese Commander signed the surrender in Tokyo Harbour.

Posted by: grimshaw (1198)  Report abuse
G B .

Superb post .

Congrats to you .

Posted by: GOLDEN BEAR (3032)  Report abuse
Thank you kind sir ( mr.grimshaw) as for Broady i too have stood on that spot on the USS. Missouri with my late brother. I don't know whether or not you know this Broady when we were there ,there was this very old veteran, who told us a story and this is it.

He said he remembers the day well and apparently just before the dignitary's were due ,suddenly a cry went out " were can we do the signing "??? So he said people were running here and there looking for something that they could use , at the last hour a sailor came forth from the kitchen area with a large table from the cook's mess and they found a cloth and threw it over the top and there you have it the signing of the end of WW2 against the JAPS was signed on a cook's table such an important document the old vet could not stop laughing my bro and me too! I thought that was a special thing that sailor had witnessed ( god bless him ) just thought you might like that Broady....

Posted by: Stardelta (6383) Report abuse
Will anyone he reminding us on August 8th next year of the anniversary of the Hiroshima bombing? The day the USA instantly killed not just 20,000 soldiers but also upwards of 150,000 innocent civilians. And of the Nagasaki bombing 3 days later that killed another 80,000 men women and children?

Probably not!

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (2786) Report abuse
On about Jappy things, as any of you seen 'The Man in the High Castle' on Netflix

Posted by: Stardelta (6383) Report abuse
Have indeed Thomas.

At first I found it difficult to understand but once in the correct frame of mind it became one of the few things worthy of my attention.

On a side note.....have you seen Scot Squad? That has to be the funniest thing on TV at the mo'

Have you got your pliers?

Posted by: madamehmurray (6144)   Report abuse
My grandpa Hanna was born Dec 7th 1915 I never knew him. He died when I was a.baby

Posted by: broady (13699)   Report abuse
Thanks for that memory GB. We are back to Oahu in January for a couple of weeks. A lovely place with lovely people.

Posted by: billy (26028)  Report abuse
trust rackem n stackem to negate a post of fact.
just as an aside rackem, have the japs apologised for the attack on pearl harbour without any declaration of "WAR"
have they apologised for the treatment of their WAR prisoners????no...scum bags.....trust you to show your true alien colours ......traitor to the free world...all our brave dead around this planet releasing these countries from tyranny......shame on you starstruck

Posted by: Stardelta (6383) Report abuse
The USA could have dropped their bombs on uninhabited regions of Japan and spared the lives of upwards of 250,000 innocent civilians. They didn't, and that's a point of fact too, one that is very much overlooked

Posted by: Stardelta (6383) Report abuse
USA drops bomb on Japan in middle of nowhere

Hirohito says...."WTF was THAT?"

USA says...."Surrender now or the next one lands in your back garden"

Hirohito has a brown trouser moment and surrenders and 250,000 innocent men women and children don't die a horrible death.

I just can't understand why the (self proclaimed) greatest nation of peace lovers in the world didn't play it that way.

Posted by: Stardelta (6383) Report abuse
To this date no other single man made event has taken so many lives as the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and the USA engineered it all.


Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (2786) Report abuse

I will have a look at that Scot Squad

Posted by: GOLDEN BEAR (3032)  Report abuse
Oh Broady and your misse's you lucky so and so's wish i could persuade mine to go there again ,for we have a total of 50,000 air miles each with AMERICAN AIRLINES but she keeps saying " wev'e been there 6 times do i not want to try somewhere else" My reply no i want to go back to OHAU!

Posted by: mindar (824) Report abuse
Maybe you could go and the wife could go where she wants to. Seems a good idea to me. Seperate holidays are not unheard of

Posted by: whacker (610) Report abuse
Truman wanted to end the most destructive war in human history. The cost in men and materiel was off the charts. The USSR was poised to enter, and make a colony of, Japan, an untenable reach for the West. Truman could have invaded Japan. Estimates were that it would cost the lives of 500,00 American soldiers. Suppose that was widely off the mark, and America lost (only) 50,000 men? How could Truman justify such a loss to his people, all in a war not of their doing? It has often been suggested by people ignorant of the war, that Truman could have bombed a few uninhabited islands to show the Japanese what they faced. Bombing a few islands would only have spurred them to greater retaliation. The Japanese had a no surrender policy. They believed in it so thoroughly that they murdered captured American soldiers as cowards for surrendering. Different psyche. At Iwo Jima in 1945, 6,200 US soldiers died. On Okinawa, 13,000 Americans were killed, all by fight-to the-death enemies. And, in fact, even the Hiroshima bomb did not deter the Japanese. Truman waited a full week after the Hiroshima bomb, and the Japanese refused to give up. A second bomb on Nagasaki did the trick. After the war, captured Japanese war plans showed that the Japanese believed that if they fought long enough, despite the cost in Japanese lives, the Americans would agree to a worldwide cease fire, with every country keeping the land they occupied at the end of hostilities.

There is much more, of course, but there is the nutshell version.

It constantly amazes me that we have congenital idiots who think they can nitpick the decisions that were made. There must be some on this site who remember, as do I, the tenor of the times. I was a kid, and with other kids, we cheered at the news, Coventry and the Blitz fresh in our minds. We cheered Dresden, too. It was a terrible thing, sure. War is terrible. That’s why it is called War. In the countries that start wars, there are no innocent victims. Whether they supported their government or not, whether they rejoiced or lamented at their victories – does not matter. The cruel irony is that people who have no power are nevertheless responsible, and suffer for, the misdeeds of their governments. Japan and Germany learned that hard truth. At Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and in Berlin, Hamburg and Dresden.

Truman had no practical choice, did the right thing, and the world is better for it.

Posted by: GOLDEN BEAR (3032)  Report abuse
Than you very much ,Whacker i really enjoyed reading your response good thread thanks.

Also hi there mindar, you have certainly given me something to think about , i believe though the only stumbling block may be is that in the last 46 of marriage we have always gone or been away together,but i will sound her out thanks .

Posted by: billy (26028)  Report abuse

Posted by: billy (26028)  Report abuse
i note rackem n stackem is stacking his posts again????????


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