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General Election - 8th June 2017
Started by: Tommy Two Stroke (1142) Report abuse
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (1142) Report abuse
There are going to be a lot of miserable folk in Wigan on the 9th June 2017 cos Labour is going get 'Trounced'.....

Posted by: jarvo (27044)  Report abuse
Hardly...Labour will probably increase their 'safe' seat.

Compare Corbyn with a monkey...It doesn't matter.

Posted by: whups (2112)  Report abuse
there heralds the death of the NHS.

Posted by: priscus (5339) Report abuse
Well, she has always done contrary to what she said would happen!

An opportunist par excellence!

Posted by: grimshaw (469)  Report abuse
The end of workers rights post brexit .

The end of the n h s .

Years more of savage cuts to the most vulnerable .

Anyone who votes tory on june 8th is living in dreamland .cloud cuckoo land .

Posted by: cordyline (3919)   Report abuse
What will Sturgeon be thinking ?
A re-run with SNP dominance in Scotland ?
Doubtful.

However if Labour win over 175 seats I would be surprised,
and it might be under 150.

An increase in a Tory overall majority, by how many though ?

Questions, questions

Edit
Yes -- Labour will hold Wigan

Posted by: priscus (5339) Report abuse
Will the Ultra-Right, which seized control of Tory party, post Cameron, consolidate their position? Or, will the mainstream, One-Nation Tory re-emerge?

Posted by: peawapp (4691)  Report abuse
And Leigh

Posted by: priscus (5339) Report abuse
Of course, we all know that UKIP can rely on their one safe seat.

Posted by: cordyline (3919)   Report abuse
Rumour has it that Mrs May was on Llandudno Pier looking over to Mt Snowden when it was finally decided to go to the Country

Posted by: priscus (5339) Report abuse
There does seem to be at least one consensus:

A case of putting "Party before Country".

Posted by: roylew (1509) Report abuse
Well that's politics...anyone in the same situation would do the same

Posted by: GOLDEN BEAR (2567)  Report abuse
Someone said on June 9th Wiganer's will be miserable ,well TTS My old mate i won't i will be dancing for joy because surely this MUST BE THE END OF CORBIN. I SINCERLY HOPE ALL LABOUR'S SAFE SEATS GET HAMMERED, ALL THIS MEANS THAT IT GIVE THE LABOUR PARTY 5 MORE YEARS TO NOMINATE A NEW LEADER AND TO GET IT'S POILICIES SORTED OUT ONCE AND FOR ALL ,BY THE WAY YOU WOULD NOT THINK IT BUT I AM LABOUR SUPPORTER THESE ARE THE REASONS I WANT A TROUNCING IN JUNE, THEN TO LOOK FORWARD HOPEFULLY TO A NEW LABOUR PARTY!

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (1142) Report abuse
Golden Bear

Well like you say a defeat should get rid of Corbyn, but that is if the bugger will go, he might hang on, like he has been dooing up to now

I will say this about Theresa May and that is that she has got balls, she has got the balls to go to the country and let the electorate decide



Posted by: cordyline (3919)   Report abuse
Mrs May decided to call an election while on a walking holiday in North Wales -- near to Conway and Llandudno I believe

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (1142) Report abuse
I like Llandudno and it has got big Asda there too

Posted by: cordyline (3919)   Report abuse
The Debenhams café is good too; not far from Asda

Do you think they were on Great Orme when she actually decided ?

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (1142) Report abuse
They might well have been on the Great Orme, talking to the goats which roam there and maybe the goats said it is time for you to start acting the goat and call an election

Posted by: roylew (1509) Report abuse
They will walk it

Posted by: cordyline (3919)   Report abuse


Posted by: nyce horse (3043) Report abuse
NICE. Before residents have had time to forget building all over the green belt, three weekly bin collections, council tax increase, closing Shevvy community primary school, potential £35 p.w. for emptying green bins, Marus Bridge cock up, anything else I forgot?

WIGAN CLOWNCIL
COMICAL PLACE COMICAL PEOPLE
WE ARE THE COUNCIL, UP YOURS

Posted by: priscus (5339) Report abuse
Tim Farron, on her reluctance to do TV debate:

"If the Prime Minister won’t attend – empty chair her – Corbyn can defend her position as they seem to vote the same on these matters"

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (1142) Report abuse
priscus

Will you be voting for Theresa May

Posted by: priscus (5339) Report abuse
No!

Although I am a Tory, I think the Ultra-Right are just as damaging to my party as The Loony Left are to Labour!

Also. long ago, I Googled her voting record, and was shocked by how greatly her behaviour is at polar odds with the words she utters.

Posted by: cordyline (3919)   Report abuse
George Osborne to quit as MP for Tatton at election

He can join Cameron at the Egg On Face Club

Posted by: nyce horse (3043) Report abuse
Nearly forgot: Little Lane playing fields, Orrell and Frog Lane tips closing,Formby Hall demolition, PFI building projects. Sure I can think of some more.

WIGAN CLOWNCIL
COMICAL PLACE COMICAL PEOPLE
WE ARE THE COUNCIL, UP YOURS

Posted by: GOLDEN BEAR (2567)  Report abuse
T.T.S. :

Hello TOMMY, YOU SAY SHE HAS BALL'S WELL I'LL HAVE TO TAKE YOUR WORD ON THAT, HEEHEHE) BUT THE ISSUE IS SHE'S A CRAFTY SOD, SHE KNOWS THAT THE tory's WILL GET A THUMPING MAJORITY I PREDICT CLOSE TO 450 SEATS. AGAIN SHE RECOGNISE'S THE FACT THAT FOR THE FIRST TIME IN A LONG WHILE THERE IS NO CREDIBLE OPPOSITION IN THE LOONY HOUSE, SO THAR YOU HAV IT ,AS FOR THAT corbin bloke he has said somewhere that should he lose an election HE WOULD STAND DOWN SO LETS SEE IF HE IS A MAN OF IS WORD ( dont hold your breath) Have a nice day folk's!

Posted by: peawapp (4691)  Report abuse
Tommy two stroke claims rather Ludicrously that May has balls, does She balls ,She has backed out of live debates .
She is ball less

Posted by: priscus (5339) Report abuse
I can see how you might describe someone who puts themselves in danger as having balls. In all seriousness, though, can you describe someone who, for their personal advantage, gambles with the well being of OTHER people in this manner?

Posted by: whups (2112)  Report abuse
sorry you think that way gb . you must,nt want the NHS as this election will surely bring about it,s death.

Posted by: i-spy (12858)  Report abuse
It's going to be a long seven weeks

Posted by: priscus (5339) Report abuse
Nowt, compared to the long five years!

Posted by: gaffer (5816)   Report abuse
Since 2010 the government have had to strike a balance between austerity and the need to drive down the structural deficit.
It's been very painful for many people and the big departments of state. Thankfully the deficit is now down to manageable levels but the additional debt accrued from the financing of the deficit is still a burden on public finances.
In 2010 NHS UK (the NHS is run as four separate bodies in the ountries of the Union)budget was £117 billion of which £12 billion was funded by borrowing. In the current year the budget is £135 billion of which £3 billion is funded by borrowing. During this period the additional demand for NHS services was running at twice the level of the UK economy.
It's a lasting tribute to the staff of the NHS that they have kept the service running so well during very difficult times. However, it can't continue to provide us with what we expect without a bigger contribution from citizens and an opportunity to shape the service to reflect the needs of the future.The last thing it needs is the scream of privatisation every time it wishes to move forward.

Posted by: nyce horse (3043) Report abuse
A spot of birth control would do wonders.

Posted by: Pennywise (172) Report abuse
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/feb/01/ageing-britain-two-fifths-nhs-budget-spent-over-65s

Posted by: priscus (5339) Report abuse
Yes, but we did pay heavily for the NHS when we were young, and not making heavy use of it.

The tax take from the income of workers was high in the 1960's and 1970's, and the birth bulge kids meant there then were decades of an excess of people in the age range paying tax in, who were then under-represented as service users.

Posted by: ena1958 (6288) Report abuse
Say goodbye to the NHS, social care and education standards.

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (1142) Report abuse
priscus

It is true what you say about being heavily taxed during the 1970's but I don't think it was the NHS which got that money, I think it was taken by yoonions in the then nationalised industries making massive pay claims, such as the miners and I don't want to criticise just one industry, so as well as the miners, there were folk doing it, who worked for the National Coal Board and pit men also made excessive wage claims

Posted by: basil brush (8578) Report abuse
the sooner the better, sick of hearing about it already.

Posted by: lisalee (11914)   Report abuse
You can always turn the tv, radio, internet off!

Aren't miners, pit men, National Coal Board all in the same industry?

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (1142) Report abuse

Posted by: basil brush (8578) Report abuse
you can always stop following me around, it's everywhere sick of hearing about it.

Posted by: lisalee (11914)   Report abuse
I'm following no one

I'm making an observation on a post on this topical thread

Posted by: fedup (120) Report abuse
To all those who think a Conservative victory will be the end of the NHS- I cannot see any Government ever getting rid of the NHS whatever the cost-Political suicide!
And by the way was it not a Labour Government that started all those ridiculous PFI contracts which costs the NHS Billions? No wonder the system is struggling financially- useless politicians again!

Posted by: roylew (1509) Report abuse
I don't think this election will be a foregone conclusion

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (1142) Report abuse
Conservatives might win in Wigan

Posted by: priscus (5339) Report abuse
fedup:

No, it was not a Labour Government that started them, although it was a Labour Government which made very prolific use of them so their expenditure was off balance-sheet, ie was not included in the figure representing their borrowing.

TTS:

I think in the 1960's (in particular) and 1970's, there was a much greater consensus that having stuff like the welfare state, state schools, national defence, etc. had to be paid for, and hence taxes.

I am not for one moment suggesting people did not dislike having to pay, but if you did not pay for it, it could not be had.

I was a Student in the 1960's, and my tutor was the well known character (the late) Professor Sir Rowland Smith. He was a controversial character, attracting the tag- "marketing guru". I often heard him speak in various business environments, and one of the points he frequently made was our need to boost efficiency and profitability to pay for the kind of state which we aspired to have.

ONE NATION CONSERVATIVE at its best.

Posted by: gaffer (5816)   Report abuse

Posted by: priscus (5339) Report abuse
Whilst there is not any other leader in the offing, I propose that the best result FOR THE COUNTRY, (as opposed to any party consideration) is that she gets returned with a wafer thin majority. ie smaller than what she currently has.

The reason being she has repeatedly shown her intention to act in contempt of parliament, and most alarmingly has indicated that the repatriation of powers from EU (great repeal bill) is an arena where she wants to tinker with the detail of what becomes domestic law, and for this intervention to be reserved to herself and her appointees.

Should this happen, we are then subject to laws that are the fiat of the rule of an arbitrary group, and from which the people's elected representatives have been excluded from exercising scrutiny and influence.

That would in fact make her an elected dictator: assuming power to ignore parliament- she might as well dismiss parliament altogether.

We, once upon a time, used to chop off the heads of people who exercise such contempt of parliament.

Posted by: whups (2112)  Report abuse
so why was jeremy hunt kept in his job , the only 1 of camerons cabinet ? .the tories have hated the NHS since it's inception & tried ever since to get rid of it . if we get another 5 years of tory rule we will not have an NHS any more. people are dying waiting for ambulances & lack of nurses & doctors & all hunt can do is nothing but look on.

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (1142) Report abuse

Posted by: grimshaw (469)  Report abuse
whups.

you are spot on .

hunt should have been christened micheal.

shortened to mike .

would fit him methinks .

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (1142) Report abuse

Posted by: priscus (5339) Report abuse
I thought the Tories supported the NHS until Mrs Thatcher, who was said to have torn up 'The Social Consensus'. She, allegedly had aspired to be rid of NHS, but was cautioned against the action by Tory Ministers.

However, I do fear that the current PM, in her meeting with Trump, has indicated the NHS is up for grabs.

The fears, which had been aired, that the now defunct Transatlantic Trade Agreement would have seen US commerce eating into the NHS, being replaced with the same outcome within a UK-US agreement.

Posted by: grimshaw (469)  Report abuse
May i please offer apologies to folks who may perhaps opine that my post re hunt as innopropriate and likely to cause undue upset .

Posted by: spiderwoman (762) Report abuse
I can't understand why Teresa May has called a General Election.Maybe it's because she wasn't elected by the public and she wants public approval.

It's no contest really. Jeremy Corbyn isn't up to the job of PM, so May will win. Don't think it's a fair election really, with only a choice of two people, one of whom has no chance.

Posted by: priscus (5339) Report abuse
I wonder, could this be the reason?

Posted by: tonker (18754)   Report abuse
Theresa May says, "no cuts to foreign aid"!

Posted by: chatty (4692)  Report abuse
She has called an election now because Brexit will take two years to complete and if they make a pigs ear of it with a general election due not long after they could be out of power for a while!

Posted by: priscus (5339) Report abuse
And, here's me thinking that she called an election because Rupert Murdoch told her to do so.

I guess that the great flurry of visits he has recently made to number ten really must have been because he felt an overwhelming compulsive urge to socialise with Mrs May.

Posted by: baker boy (13548) Report abuse
back from a break and what have we descended into, gloom and doom.dont be wallies, do you think your lives will change in any way.go book yourselves a holiday and forget the 650 clowns who know all,down in the westminster club.

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (1142) Report abuse
baker boy

 
 
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